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Guilt Or Not For Grabbing A Safety Card?  
User currently offlineNickbbu From Romania, joined Jan 2007, 185 posts, RR: 4
Posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7604 times:

I just like to collect everything possible when it comes to the flight experience, and that's usually a boarding pass and a napkin with the airline's logo. But I never thought of grabbing a safety card, even though I know there are many who are doing just that.
It might seem weird, but I feel guilty to do that, so I would probably never do it in the future. It's a nice collectible item, I know, but the safety card is there for the passengers' safety, not for our passion to collect things.
I know that those safety cards can be easily replaced, but even so... the guilt (bearable though, to a certain extent) of steeling something wouldn't give my any nice thoughts about myself, as a person.

Do you feel in any particular way when you grab that safety card?

Nick


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User currently offlineA320ajm From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 540 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 7599 times:

I have a collection of safety cards - my favourite one is my concorde safety card. I haven't personally took one of a plne but bought them of E-Bay. About taking them - i don't think there is any need to have guilt - after all, it's a piece of card and to be fair not many passengers read them anyway.
Thanks
A320ajm



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User currently offlineJamesJimlb From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1023 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7583 times:

hi, you shouldn't fell guilt. i take them all the time and its not really stealing becuase a F/A saw me take one and a bunch of the flights stuff.


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User currently offlineNickbbu From Romania, joined Jan 2007, 185 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7576 times:

I kind of overreacted in the first place (with the stealing part), just to get positive replies, so I can start collecting them as well.
Thanks a lot!

Quoting JamesJimlb (Reply 2):
... a F/A saw me take one and a bunch of the flights stuff.

What other stuff? ?

Nick

[Edited 2007-06-14 23:04:43]


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User currently offlinePILOTALLEN From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 656 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 7568 times:

I used to work for a company that dealt with airline ramp ops while in college and usually the front overhead bin has extra pillows, blankets and safety cards...I haven't felt much guilt but then again I usually get stuck on the same plane and dont bother taking on....thats what ebay is for!


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User currently offlineJamesJimlb From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1023 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7557 times:

Quoting Nickbbu (Reply 3):

What other stuff? ?

skymail, boarding cards, i try to get some "suvinirs" i'll take almost anything that i am allowed to take. but suprisingly on most flights i just forget to take that stuff.



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User currently offlineJamesbaldwyn From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 7537 times:

Quoting A320ajm (Reply 1):
after all, it's a piece of card and to be fair not many passengers read them anyway.

So I can take the lifejacket because they never get used.


User currently offlineDelboy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 725 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 7522 times:

This has been done to death recently, let's use the search facility in future.

User currently offlinePilotdude09 From Australia, joined May 2005, 1777 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 7510 times:

Quoting Jamesbaldwyn (Reply 6):
So I can take the lifejacket because they never get used.

Well if you hit the water the chances of surviving in an aircraft with under wing engines isnt that high  Wink



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User currently offlineAirmaillabel From Turkey, joined Dec 2005, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7483 times:

I collect safety cards of Turkish Airlines and I buy them from sources like eBay because I don't like to steal either, but everything is not available in eBay. So I wrote an e-mail to their customer relations department and explained that I don't steal from the aircraft but I want to complete my collection and they sent me a full set of safety cards. Very sweet of them  Smile

I recommend you to do the same. If it doesn't work, ask the flight attendant for a card at the beginning of the flight. If they don't give you either, then you can take the card between your courtesy copy of the flight magazine without feeling guilt

 Silly


User currently offlineVC-10 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 1999, 3700 posts, RR: 34
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 7469 times:
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No matter how you justify it to yourself, taking them is THEFT.

Quoting A320ajm (Reply 1):
i don't think there is any need to have guilt - after all, it's a piece of card

So presumably you think the company that prints them gives them to the airlines for free.

If I am invited to your house, see your collection of safety cards and take them, I assume that that wouldn't be considered as theft?


User currently offlineZBBYLW From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 1983 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7453 times:

Quoting VC-10 (Reply 10):
No matter how you justify it to yourself, taking them is THEFT.

Agree 100%. I can not stand when people steal the safety cards. What they do not know is that every card they take cost the airline money. What happens if the ground crew does not replace one in one seat, and a Transport Canada (Applicable country authority) employee sits down, notices this and fines the airline. I have taken safety cards in my day. 5, all from the same flight, the last AC 744 flight ever, and though I could justify that. Other then that I will not steal for an airline.



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User currently offlineFlinhion757 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7451 times:

Dude I know someone that is a flight attendant for WN and they could care less alert  That is actually thr least of their worries. I take em when I don't sleep until everyone is off the plane.


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User currently offlineVC-10 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 1999, 3700 posts, RR: 34
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 7444 times:
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Quoting Flinhion757 (Reply 12):
Dude I know someone that is a flight attendant for WN and they could care less

(So the FA does care to some degree then Smile . In UK English it is couldn't care less. I am not having a pop at you personally because it a US thing to say it your way, even if it doesn't convey what you mean it to say!)

Dude, what has that got to do with it? If you take something that isn't yours, it is THEFT, plain and simple.

I say again, if I take your collection of cards while visiting your house presumably you wouldn't consider it as theft.


User currently offlineNickbbu From Romania, joined Jan 2007, 185 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 7443 times:

Quoting VC-10 (Reply 13):
I say again, if I take your collection of cards while visiting your house presumably you wouldn't consider it as theft.

Not really, because he would actually care a lot!  box   Wink

I thought this topic would be tricky, since it's a question of different points of view... For some it's not stealing, for others it is... It would be interesting to have a legal opinion on this matter, coming from a lawyer, judge etc...

Nick



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User currently offlineVC-10 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 1999, 3700 posts, RR: 34
Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7431 times:
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Quoting Nickbbu (Reply 14):
It would be interesting to have a legal opinion on this matter, coming from a lawyer, judge etc...

Why does it need a legal opinion?

1. The cards are clearly marked with the legend "DO NOT REMOVE FROM AIRCRAFT"

2. You do not buy the right to take one when you buy a ticket

3. The crew are not empowered to give them away

4. They are bought and paid for the the aircraft operator

How much clearer does it need to be?

If someone takes something of mine that I own, without my permission, they have stolen it from me.


User currently offlineNickbbu From Romania, joined Jan 2007, 185 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7426 times:

Alright then, it's settled, getting that safety card is called stealing!

But now, can individuals overcome the sense of guilt that comes with the stealing? I suppose many do, since they gathered some nice collections.

IMO, I stick to my original opinion, so I would never get any safety cards.

Nick



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User currently onlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4627 posts, RR: 23
Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7384 times:

Quoting ZBBYLW (Reply 11):
Agree 100%. I can not stand when people steal the safety cards. What they do not know is that every card they take cost the airline money. What happens if the ground crew does not replace one in one seat, and a Transport Canada (Applicable country authority) employee sits down, notices this and fines the airline. I have taken safety cards in my day. 5, all from the same flight, the last AC 744 flight ever, and though I could justify that. Other then that I will not steal for an airline.

"I don't agree with it at all, but I've done it myself".

Nice justification - "but it was the last AC 744 flight ever" - and so?



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User currently offlineNickbbu From Romania, joined Jan 2007, 185 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7381 times:

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 17):
"I don't agree with it at all, but I've done it myself".

Nice justification - "but it was the last AC 744 flight ever" - and so?

Quite logical...
So nobody is going to miss those safety cards from that flight anymore!



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User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5401 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 7338 times:

Quoting Nickbbu (Reply 14):
ince it's a question of different points of view...

Well those with the point of view that it's OK are simply wrong ... and that's not my opinion.

...and basically who cares whether the F/A thinks it OK ... again, if he/she (and I mean he or she  Wink) thinks it's OK, then he/she is also wrong.

Quoting VC-10 (Reply 13):
Quoting Flinhion757 (Reply 12):
Dude I know someone that is a flight attendant for WN and they could care less

(So the FA does care to some degree then . In UK English it is couldn't care less. I am not having a pop at you personally because it a US thing to say it your way, even if it doesn't convey what you mean it to say!)

I never quite understood the US term??

"I could care less" means you must actually care some, since you could care less right??? Not what you really mean.


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User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3288 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 7331 times:

I don't know about foreign airlines, but here in the states each seat must have a card. Yes, there are extras on board. But how many? How do you know that your action isn't going to cause a flight cancellation on the next leg? It's marked "DO NOT REMOVE" for a reason.

User currently offlineFlinhion757 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7296 times:

Quoting VC-10 (Reply 15):
Why does it need a legal opinion?



Quoting Nickbbu (Reply 14):
because it a US thing to say it your way, even if it doesn't convey what you mean it to say!)
.

So there is someone that is a crew that likes to run the forum... your to moderate and the rules apply to you too if you wish to use the forum... You don't have and right to run someone elses forum either. As a moderator you need to monitor and report something that is not right. If this message means losing my a.net account then so be it. It needs a legal opinion because its someones opinion and because someone could give legal opinion if they please. Oh and ITS a US thing to stand our ground and use proper English!



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User currently offlineNickbbu From Romania, joined Jan 2007, 185 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7292 times:

Quoting Flinhion757 (Reply 21):
Quoting Nickbbu (Reply 14):
because it a US thing to say it your way, even if it doesn't convey what you mean it to say!)
.

So there is someone that is a crew that likes to run the forum... your to moderate and the rules apply to you too if you wish to use the forum... You don't have and right to run someone elses forum either. As a moderator you need to monitor and report something that is not right. If this message means losing my a.net account then so be it. It needs a legal opinion because its someones opinion and because someone could give legal opinion if they please. Oh and ITS a US thing to stand our ground and use proper English!

Dude, what's your problem? I never wrote what you quoted!

Nick



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User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5401 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7292 times:

Quoting Flinhion757 (Reply 21):
So there is someone that is a crew that likes to run the forum... your to moderate and the rules apply to you too if you wish to use the forum... You don't have and right to run someone elses forum either. As a moderator you need to monitor and report something that is not right. If this message means losing my a.net account then so be it. It needs a legal opinion because its someones opinion and because someone could give legal opinion if they please. Oh and ITS a US thing to stand our ground and use proper English!

Something tells me you completely misinterpreted what was said !!!!

..... and as I mentioned, it clearly doesn't convey what we mean, when we say "could care less", because we clearly mean we could NOT care less... whether you like it or not.


Jimbo



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User currently offlineEL-AL From Israel, joined Oct 2001, 1295 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7290 times:

Quoting Nickbbu (Thread starter):
It might seem weird, but I feel guilty to do that

I Have the perfect solution to everyone: just ask the F/A.

Whenever I fly I ask the F/A for some cards. The lasy of them just tell me to take what's on my seat while other go the the back and bring me some new cards from the spare. I collect cards for 6 years now (1258 cards) and no airline on board any jet has ever refused.



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25 Post contains images OB1504 : The solution: Make the safety card a permanent part of the seat like on Ryanair! Granted, we may have people stealing seats... I think it's wrong to s
26 Swiftski : That sentence makes this one obsolete.
27 Delboy : I think it's wrong to steal a safety card from a seat (for the reasons mentioned above), but if you ask a crew member and they give you a spare, that'
28 S5FA170 : I don't recommend taking the safety card if the flight attendant doesn't give you a spare one. 1) We're not required to pass out safety cards for peo
29 CanadianNorth : It's not THAT bad, but as a groomer it is easier if they are all left on the plane, as that's my counting method. Basically when we groom the 737s any
30 United_Fan : I only took 1 safety card from a UA 727. Afterwards I felt like crap for doing it . I know the f/a's have to check every seatback for safety cards bef
31 BR715-A1-30 : VC-10, I always ask the crew for a safety card... Well, not so much anymore, as I really don't collect them anymore like I used to.. But if I take one
32 Alessandro : Depends on their service, good I don´t take any, crappy I take a few.
33 Post contains links and images Bruin787 : i did the next best thing, i took a picture of it.
34 Post contains images Metroliner : Morals or no, that would so be in my work folder by now ! I have always asked and been given one. On a Cirrus Air Dash 8-102, I asked the flight atte
35 Post contains images BWilliams : Hehe.. I agree. I don't collect cards, but I'd make an exception for the Whalejet.
36 Post contains images StarAlliance38 : I don't think you should take safety cards from planes. I am doing a project that I have a lot of contacts with airlines (mostly Star Alliance). One o
37 EL-AL : Been there, done that. Most of the airlines just ignore you. Only a small part reply, even less acctually send you cards.
38 Post contains images DL763 : I don't really have that much guilt since some of the other seats do have the cards too. I just replied on another post that I just take them and then
39 Trekster : I have only ever taken 2 cards, a 737 and a 747, and always asked the crew before hand. Dan
40 Ag92 : I always thought if you ask the F/A and if (s)he says yes, than you can otherwise it is STEALING
41 AlexEU : I usually try to take it away, even though I feal some sort of guilt... What about sick bags? Hey, they are designed to be destructed. I don't feel gu
42 Apuneger : I used to take one occasionally in the past, but now I have stopped. When I flew Australian Airlines CNS-HKG shortly before they were absorbed by Qant
43 Soon7x7 : End your guilt, explain to FA your hobby, offer to buy one...she'll (or he) will gladly give it to you...works with trays and flatware...oh yeh...don
44 FlyASAGuy2005 : Ouch. It was always this running joke at our house that when guest come over for dinner, the forks and spoons would say Continental on the back of th
45 Soon7x7 : My work desk consists of Lufthansa stainless flatware set, Lufthansa serving tray and other assorted goodies but despite my prevoius suggestion...item
46 Post contains images Jawed : I met someone once who actually took a life vest from under the seat as a souvenir Should he feel bad about that? Isn't that like a federal offense or
47 Post contains links UltimateDelta : I would say don't do it. there's a website, though, called www.safeair.com. They mass produce them for the airlines, so you might be able to get some
48 AlexEU : Well, that is something to feel guilt about !! I would rather take safety card from my seat, then ask f/a, because I would feel embarassed if they re
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