Sponsor Message:
Aviation Hobby Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
United States Vs Europe In Aviation Enthusiasm  
User currently offlineApollo13 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7293 times:

The other day i was reading the latest issue of Airports of the World and i realized tht it was published in Europe and that most of their features dealing with aviation enthuisiasm was center around Europe or the UK. Now forgive me for asking this because im sure it was already posted elsewhere (wasnt able to find it) but is there more of a concentration of this Hobby over in the UK and europe. My guess is that it is becasue i was at Manchester and saw a nice store containing mostly aviation related items and also i went to the big warehouse like store in the Netherlands near Schipol as well.

And also is there is the same amount of enthuisiasm here in America as there is in Europe. Which part of the country has it most? I know that may seem a little hard to understand or even to draw a conclusion but im just interested in knowing what others think.

22 replies: All unread, jump to last
 
User currently offlineMdodd From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 348 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7289 times:

Good question...
I would like to know as well!

Somebody should know this, or might have an idea??


User currently offlineKDTWFlyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 828 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7285 times:

Aviation enthusiasts are found all over the US but its not as widespread in Europe. Larger airports in the US tend to have spotters around like LAX,ATL, JFK ,SFO etc. Where I am from DTW, this area has been and always will be infatuated with the auto which is annoying because planes will always be cooler than cars IMO. Also the culture here seems to frown upon aerogeeks and their hobby of spotting as not only weird but a possible threat to aviation security.


NW B744 B742 B753 B752 A333 A332 A320 A319 DC10 DC9 ARJ CRJ S340
User currently offlineMdodd From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 348 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7280 times:

Quoting KDTWFlyer (Reply 2):
not only weird but a possible threat to aviation security

A lot of people everywhere think that.


User currently offlineApollo13 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7275 times:

I have to agree. I was at the Bart Millbrae station a while back on the top of the garage watching the SFO traffic use rwy 1R and this man and his family ask me what im doing and i told them and they said they didnt think it was wise for me to do so because of security. LIKE A 19 YR OLD IDIOT WHO IS AFRAID TO FLY WILL BE THE NATIONS TOP THREAT!!!! But do agree with KDTW because i never see many aviation related shops at US airports anymore and most of the aviation publications these days come from the UK and europe not to mention AIrports of the World and Airliner World.

User currently offlineMdodd From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 348 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7274 times:

Quoting Apollo13 (Reply 4):
WHO IS AFRAID TO FLY WILL BE THE NATIONS TOP THREAT!!!!

You're afraid of flying?
Kinda ironic!


User currently offlineArniepie From Belgium, joined Aug 2005, 1265 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7272 times:

Quoting KDTWFlyer (Reply 2):
Larger airports in the US tend to have spotters around like LAX,ATL, JFK ,SFO etc.

I cannot speak for the whole of Europe, but as a general rule in the EU there are far less Aviation enthusiasts than over the pond, just look at the percentage of US members for all the big aviation related sites.
Only the Netherlands, France and the UK have a large spotter public I think (Holland top of the world I read somewhere).

Best places to go spotting are obviously Greece and Turkey, you'll get an "enthusiastic" welcome by their police forces if you decide on doing a little spotting.  Wink



[edit post]
User currently offlineApollo13 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 7254 times:

Quoting Mdodd (Reply 5):

Yeah i know. I think it has to do with the takeoff only where you kind of get the dropping feeling after the plane levels off a bit on the climbout. I get the same feeling when im on a roller coaster after the first drop and the first hill. Which is why i also do not like rollercoasters. And im also afraid of the A/C crashing. When i went to China i took two pills of valium and two sleeping pills. It worked for a while.


User currently offlineQFA380 From Australia, joined Jul 2005, 2062 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 7250 times:

Quoting Mdodd (Reply 5):
You're afraid of flying?
Kinda ironic!

You'd be surprised how many a.netters are afraid of flying, loving flying and loving planes can be completely different.

I'm no afraid of flying as such but every time I'm about to go up, its always that nagging question, ' What if it does crash?'. The last time I went flying, in a RAAF C-130J I was very nervous as we were flying about 500ft over fairly large mountains but it was awesome.


User currently offlineApollo13 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 7248 times:

Totally agree. This whole idea is so interesting tho about how Europe has a much larger scale and attitude towards the aviation hobby both civil and military. Between Holland and area of the UK. I just might wantto move there (like a sumer/winter place) when i retire from whatever i make my career. Im only 19 so i dont really need to worry about that yet. I mean my dream would to be to live in a small house DIRECTLY Under the path of arriving aircraft at a majorly huge international airport in either the US, UK, or Somewhere Else. If only Kai Tak were to be still around.

User currently offlineChksix From Sweden, joined Sep 2005, 345 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 7230 times:

LOL Not a good idea IMO Big grin
You'll grow tired of the noise and avgas in the air. Then you'll be in the zone of highest probability of having a jet land in your backyard or on your roof!

Somewhere off to the side of the airport with view of the runways would be cool though...



The conveyor belt plane will fly
User currently offlineLAXspotter From India, joined Jan 2007, 3650 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7183 times:

Quoting Apollo13 (Thread starter):
And also is there is the same amount of enthuisiasm here in America as there is in Europe.

Nope, not even close, trust me i spotted at LAX, and there were times i was the only spotter on a damn Sunday and that from the airport with the most shots on anet from any airport in the USA. The number of Euro spotters than come to LAX is just insane and they are nuts, they travel 5000 miles to spot aircraft and take down registrations, not that i wouldnt do it, but its quite hardcore.

Quoting Apollo13 (Thread starter):
Which part of the country has it most?

The big urban areas. Sorry to say, but the smaller towns really dont have people who are interested in Aircraft. It seems like "liking" aircraft is frowned upon.

Quoting KDTWFlyer (Reply 2):
infatuated with the auto which is annoying because planes will always be cooler than cars IMO

In America, it seems that most people think cars are cooler than planes, and for some reason people who like cars are seemed as norm, but ppl who like Aircraft are deemed a negative image, but i dont give a shit.

Quoting KDTWFlyer (Reply 2):
culture here seems to frown upon aerogeeks and their hobby of spotting as not only weird but a possible threat to aviation security.

Look above, I just dont think that spotting here has a positive image, and we spotters in the USA tend to get harassed a lot, but what pisses me off is not the Cops coming every 15 minutes and stopping me, but ignorant people who deem my hobby to be illegal.

Hence, spotting is bigger in Europe than in the USA. Hell, i think spotting is more popular down under and in NZ than here. I have a feeling spotting is more popular in the global cities of Asia and South America, but maybe im wrong.



"Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel" Samuel Johnson
User currently offlinePizzaandplanes From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7157 times:

Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 11):

Look above, I just dont think that spotting here has a positive image, and we spotters in the USA tend to get harassed a lot, but what pisses me off is not the Cops coming every 15 minutes and stopping me, but ignorant people who deem my hobby to be illegal.

If you point a finger at a plane they will come and interrogate you...Let alone a camera or scanner. Its crazy how prejudice people have become towards spotters in the USA.


User currently offlineFlyMIA From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7146 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 7130 times:

Well I am not familiar with the rest of the US but I know Miami is a big aviation town which means a lot of aviation enthusiasm. I know alot of private pilots, I know alot of people who work in aviation, weather a pilot for AA or maintenance at MIA. In Airliner magazine you will find alot of advertisement for Miami related aviation stuff. Like DHL and Arrow Air MIA hubs, or the great Airplane shop, which is a very nice sized aviation hobby store in Miami. Airliner magazine is published in Miami. And there are a few more around MIA. So for the Miami area I know there is a decent size of aviation enthusiasm.


"It was just four of us on the flight deck, trying to do our job" (Captain Al Haynes)
User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7642 posts, RR: 35
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 7075 times:

I wouldn't know if there are more aviation enthusiasts in Europe or in North America, but having lived several years in Germany and in Canada, I can assure you that Europe is definitely more aviation enthusiast friendly than Canada or the US. If you go to many airports in Germany on a Sunday afternoon, you'll see many families spending the afternoon there, also, many of the smaller airports are also popular Sunday afternoon destinations and offer little outdoor cafes where you can watch general aviation aircraft do their touch and go's.


A Grumpy German Is A Sauerkraut
User currently offlineZuluLima From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 305 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 7037 times:

As for enthusiasm, I'd say you'll find a relatively equal percentage anywhere in the modern, industrialized nations of the world. As for the U.S., I've met many who enjoy our hobby, but not so many "hard-core" spotters/photographers who will visit the airport regularly for fun. The reason we have so many members on sites like this is probably due to the fact that we have the worlds strongest air-travel market (by country) and are the world's 3rd most populous nation. In 25 years look for a Chinese version of this site, it'll be packed full.

And yes, over-zealous TSA, police, and security workers aren't helping. I can't speak from personal experience, but I hear more about spotter-friendly facilities in Europe than the U.S., e.g. Frankfurt's observation decks. If there's one thing Americans like more than security (or the perception thereof) it's money. I'd pay a couple of bucks per visit to an on-site viewing platform, and any magazine/food stands near it; Come on DFW, you can even load it up with security cameras.



I didn't get a 'Harumph' outta that guy!
User currently offlineDFW13L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7028 times:

Quoting ZuluLima (Reply 15):
. I'd pay a couple of bucks per visit to an on-site viewing platform, and any magazine/food stands near it; Come on DFW, you can even load it up with security cameras.

They have moved and re-opened the "legal" viewing area, formerly known as "Founder's Plaza" at DFW. (FYI it's now on final to 18L/18R). I had a sandwich there before comeing to work today, actually. Anyway I have thought that at DFW's Founder's Plaza and IAH's Lee Road areas, I wonder if a little snack/drinks stand would make money? It would never be approved though, due to FOD risks.

(BY the way...if you can get to DFW, in the past week or two ATA has replaced one of its L1011s with a former NW DC10 that is still in the NW paint.)

The internet really helps all of us aviation enthusiasts and spotters share our hobby, because it's sort of rare in the USA. I work for an airline and I still have to remain somewhat of a "closeted" spotter.

Quoting Arniepie (Reply 6):
I cannot speak for the whole of Europe, but as a general rule in the EU there are far less Aviation enthusiasts than over the pond, just look at the percentage of US members for all the big aviation related sites.

I agree that maybe the USA has more total aviation enthusiasts, due to it having a higher population, but if you look on a per-capita basis, and compare a US city to Manchester UK or to Amsterdam, you'll see that there are more enthusisasts in a given area. What I mean is that the enthusiasts here are few and far between, whereas you can to go an airport in Europe and see a lot of people out spotting at the airport.

I'll never forget when I was on the AA inaugural flight DUB-ORD. I had a window seat on the left side. We were taking off on, I think, runway 28. There were probably 40 people with cameras, behind the fence, taking our pictures as we took the runway for takeoff. I was amazed by that, and it makes me want to go back, just to hang out by the airport. There was probably nobody at ORD taking pictures of the inaugural flight to Ireland the previous night.

And once I was at IAH, connecting, as a non-rev, from Continental to American. I do that whenever I can because I really like IAH. I was walking on the top of the terminal A/B parking garage to get me from B to A, where the AA flight was. On top of the garage was a group of spotters from Manchester. I had a quick chat with them, and their enthusiasm was contagious. They were on a tour of US airports and had been at DFW the previous day. You'll hardly ever find US enthusiasts doing this.

I'm glad of websites such as a.net, jetphotos, and more locally, houstonspotters. It helps us all share our enthusiasm and learn from each other.


User currently offlineZuluLima From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 305 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7026 times:

Yeah, I've been to both old and new Founder's Plazas a thousand times; the temporary lot we have now is a joke. The new one (if it happens) is supposed to have canopies (not quite sure what they mean by that) and be 4 or more times larger, plus other stuff (toilets, please!). At least over by UPS the light will allow photography after 12:00. The main action will still be a quarter mile away minimum, and maybe 5 miles to 31R. By on-site I mean I wish there was a patio near/connected to the terminals where you are close-up to gates or taxiways. I believe this is what Frankfurt has. That just won't happen in the U.S., though. Still, one nice site is better than most airports will let us have. Recently I read an article about the Houston Airport System being spotter-friendly, and was planning a weekend trip. Other airports should take note, this kind of policy would go a long way towards promoting our hobby, not to mention actually making airports safer (a-la railfans who help watch over railroad property while enjoying trains). European spotters: Do your local airports/security agencies enable spotting, or prevent it? I'd be interested in how that effects aviation enthusiasm, especially among us more serious hobbyists.


I didn't get a 'Harumph' outta that guy!
User currently offlineDFW13L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7019 times:

Quoting ZuluLima (Reply 17):
Recently I read an article about the Houston Airport System being spotter-friendly, and was planning a weekend trip.

Go to www.houstonspotters.net and read up before you go. They have a great site going and plenty of activity. Including a air show (just static displays) but access onto the ramp at HOU every 3rd Saturday, which will be Saturday the 18th. IAH isn't "friendly" but they do tolerate spotters. If you hang out on the garages there, make sure to call the police and let them know you're there to avoid any problems. The info is on that website.

I hadn't heard all that about the "real" future "Founder's Plaza" it sounds good if it's going to be big. I was thinking, on final to 17C is a huge field where they could put something, but it's sort of lower elevation than the runways so it might not be the best. Oh well, at least they opened up what they have now. They didn't have to open even that, so I'm proud of what we have. Although you are right, the light is bad in the afternoon.


User currently offlineEgmcman From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 898 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7000 times:

Quoting ZuluLima (Reply 17):
European spotters: Do your local airports/security agencies enable spotting, or prevent it? I'd be interested in how that effects aviation enthusiasm, especially among us more serious hobbyists.

Official spectator galleries at LHR & LGW are closed and unlikely to reopen. At my local airport without enthusiasts meeting during the day the I am sure the cafe in the terminal would close.

Airshows are a good way of visiting different parts of airports you normally wouldn't have acces to.


User currently offlineAjd1992 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 6996 times:

Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 11):
they travel 5000 miles to spot aircraft and take down registrations, not that i wouldnt do it, but its quite hardcore.

I can admit to having done that. All over Europe (Denmark, Germany, France, Holland, Spain) and the US (Phoenix, Indy, Louisville, Chicago). I guess I am an aeroplane geek.

One thing i will say though, is in Europe i feel totally comfortable being around an airport, because I don't get funny looks from people. In the US, however, you definitely are made to feel like a criminal and unwelcome. I took my flying stuff (Checklist, David Clark headset (very cool, by the way), an "intro to flying" book my flying school told me to read and my log book) and the security guys looked at me like i was either insane, or a terrorist, and the customs guys searched our bags and found my flying stuff, and basically thought I was going to take over a plane and whatnot (I'm 15, and flying is a way of life for me... They don't know that obviously but i wouldn't do anything like that). I don't have many hours (2.4) but i'm hardly a likely candidate for being a terrorist.


User currently offlineEDICHC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6757 times:

Can't really make any comparison between Europe and the US, but I have noticed since moving here to NZ and Christchurch in particular, just how many people go spotting. Drive around the perimeter roads at CHC any weekend and you will see dozens of cars parked up. Airport security or police don't seem to have any problem with it whatsoever.

User currently offlineZuluLima From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 305 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6733 times:

Quoting EDICHC (Reply 21):
I have noticed since moving here to NZ and Christchurch in particular, just how many people go spotting

Very interesting, as I'm always considering English-speaking places to travel and spot. I would expect most of the south Pacific/Oz/New Zealand to take a more laid-back approach to aviation photography. Glad to hear it's alive and well in your corner of the globe.



I didn't get a 'Harumph' outta that guy!
Top Of Page
Forum Index

Reply To This Topic United States Vs Europe In Aviation Enthusiasm
Username:
No username? Sign up now!
Password: 


Forgot Password? Be reminded.
Remember me on this computer (uses cookies)
  • Aviation hobby related posts only.
  • Back all your opinions with facts.
  • No adverts of any kind. This includes web pages.
  • No hostile language or criticizing of others.
  • Do not post copyright protected material.
  • Use relevant and describing topics.
  • Check if your post already been discussed.
  • Check your spelling!
  • DETAILED RULES
Add Images Add SmiliesPosting Help

Please check your spelling (press "Check Spelling" above)


Similar topics:More similar topics...
What Was It That Got You Interested In Aviation? posted Thu Aug 26 2004 04:26:38 by N754AN
Jobs In Aviation posted Tue Mar 11 2003 17:58:07 by Planespotterx
Breaking News: United Express Plane Crashed In CO posted Sun Jan 6 2002 01:04:43 by Elal106
Why Cant You Buy Any VS Models In In Flight Sales? posted Thu Sep 6 2001 16:55:10 by BA-747
United's 'All 50 States' Campaign In 1984 posted Tue Sep 14 2004 18:58:58 by ChrisNH
Europe-South Africa Weather Problem In FS9 posted Fri Feb 9 2007 17:20:32 by PlaneMad
Gemini Jets Stockists In The United Kingdom posted Mon Jul 10 2006 19:26:19 by BA787
Any Aviation Model Shops In The Orlando Area? posted Fri Jun 30 2006 01:37:33 by Simon Cooper
Aviation Stores In LAX And PHX Area. posted Mon Feb 6 2006 23:35:33 by Setjet
Buying Aviation Charts In Singapore posted Tue Jan 31 2006 08:11:13 by Salina Chan

Sponsor Message:
Printer friendly format