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Good Traffic Freeware For FS2004?  
User currently offlineKrje1980 From Norway, joined Feb 2006, 193 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Hi all.

Does anyone know any good freeware for increasing air traffic in FS2004? I have used a lot of add-ons to enhance airports, cities etc, but I am not quite sure how to get more traffic at the airports. It really feels like something is missing when you land at Heathrow and only 5 other aircraft are present at the airport!

I appreciate all tips!

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User currently offlineJamesbaldwyn From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

I personally use Just Flights Traffic 2005 and its good enough for me. For freeware however, try World Of Ai.

User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3503 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Jamesbaldwyn (Reply 1):
For freeware however, try World Of Ai.

Yes. Do.

http://www.world-of-ai.com

You can also put your own AI traffic together with flightplans, aircraft and repaints downloaded from sites like avsim.com. I'm not going to take the time to explain that here, but I'd imagine there are many tutorials available on said website and others. Well worth learning how to do if you want busy skies in FS.



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User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7642 posts, RR: 35
Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Jamesbaldwyn (Reply 1):
I personally use Just Flights Traffic 2005 and its good enough for me. For freeware however, try World Of Ai.

I use Just Flights myself, it's not expensive and it works. The graphics aren't nearly as good as World of AI or Project AI, but my computer can't handle more anyway. The nice thing about Just Flight, is that it works straight out of the box, no looking for this file or that file of avsim or other sites and trying to piece everything together for it to work.



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User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3503 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 3):

I use Just Flights myself, it's not expensive and it works. The graphics aren't nearly as good as World of AI or Project AI, but my computer can't handle more anyway.

Don't be fooled by how good they look. WOAI packages (or more specifically, Aardvark/EvolveAI/Fruitstand models) are much easier on your computer than that awful looking stuff Just Flight puts out. I can guarantee you that you'd notice a significant performance increase if you dumped the payware and installed traffic by WOAI.

For more on this, go here: http://www.ai-aardvark.com/modeling/LOD_101/aia_LOD.html

Just to reiterate, I'm not kidding. The models you paid for are crap. The good stuff is FREE! Other simmers here will attest to this. Try and see.



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User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7642 posts, RR: 35
Reply 5, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 4):
Don't be fooled by how good they look. WOAI packages (or more specifically, Aardvark/EvolveAI/Fruitstand models) are much easier on your computer than that awful looking stuff Just Flight puts out. I can guarantee you that you'd notice a significant performance increase if you dumped the payware and installed traffic by WOAI.

For more on this, go here: http://www.ai-aardvark.com/modeling/LOD_101/aia_LOD.html

Just to reiterate, I'm not kidding. The models you paid for are crap. The good stuff is FREE! Other simmers here will attest to this. Try and see.

I've already had World of AI and Project AI, my performance went down the drain. I'm not saying that Just Flight is better, but for those of us who like to have things simple and don't want to spend hours finding files, downloading them and piecing them togther, products like Just Flight are the way to go.



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User currently offlineKrje1980 From Norway, joined Feb 2006, 193 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Thank you all for the tips!

I will make sure to check out all your suggestions and then decide what is the best choice for me!

Cheers!


User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined exactly 10 years ago today! , 4964 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Until now I was using project AI but I just got a new computer and I'm reinstalling everything and I got world of ai and so far so good, but I noticed some airlines that I had are not available (AR for example), so here's my question, are pai and woai compatible? Can I download both installers and have the packages of both at the same time or will this screw up everything? thanx in advance!

regards  Smile



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User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3503 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 7):
Until now I was using project AI but I just got a new computer and I'm reinstalling everything and I got world of ai and so far so good, but I noticed some airlines that I had are not available (AR for example), so here's my question, are pai and woai compatible? Can I download both installers and have the packages of both at the same time or will this screw up everything? thanx in advance!

They're totally compatible and will not "screw" with each other, but they do use different models. WOAI uses models by Aardvark, EvolveAI, Fruitstand and FSpainter while PAI uses...yeah, I'll say it...their own inferior models. I've put together my own AI for everything WOAI doesn't offer as a package using MRAI installer and models by the aforementioned modeler and my AI is top-notch. Lose the PAI, it detracts from your performance as well as your aesthetics!



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User currently offlineGCDEG From Greece, joined Jan 2006, 352 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 4):
Just to reiterate, I'm not kidding. The models you paid for are crap. The good stuff is FREE! Other simmers here will attest to this. Try and see.

Amen to that Gunsontheroof. You've said it before and you're saying it again. Seriously though you are right. The best AI traffic you can get is totally free and ones that you put together yourself. You've just got to take a look on avsim.com at the new AI Planes and AI Flight plans that keep coming out every day and see how they are continually improving repaints, models and updating flight plans to summer/winter schedules and incorporate special liveries.

The thing about packages like Just Flight Traffic 2005 or Traffic 2004 is they are very good at filling up airports immediately and bring a lot of traffic with very little effort and at the click of a couple of buttons. That's all very well if you prefer that or don't have the time to make up your own but if you do have the time to and want to learn to put AI traffic in yourself it's a very very worthwhile investment. Doing it this way makes sense for a lot of reasons such as being able to add special liveries as and when they come out, updating flight plans with current schedules and new airports as well as new and improved aircraft models. Take for example the new AI Aardvark 737-300 version 2. This incorporates a model with winglets and another 2 models with different wing light structures as well as bringing advances in the moving surfaces etc.

Here's 2 pictures the first is Just Flight's Traffic and the second is the way my traffic is. You can see the difference in the quality of the models alone.

Big version: Width: 1395 Height: 983 File size: 132kb
Big version: Width: 1280 Height: 994 File size: 128kb


There's just something satisfying about spending some time downloading and installing new aircraft models and flightplans and then seeing them appear in FS. Once you know how to do them you'll be glad you did.

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 7):
are pai and woai compatible? Can I download both installers and have the packages of both at the same time or will this screw up everything?

Very much so. As Gunsontheroof said they work together very well. As long as you make sure you don't have for example a WOAI Air France package and a PAI Air France package installed at the same time. However between the two WOAI wins hands down every time over PAI.

Nick



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User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined exactly 10 years ago today! , 4964 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 8):
They're totally compatible and will not "screw" with each other, but they do use different models



Quoting GCDEG (Reply 9):
Very much so. As Gunsontheroof said they work together very well.

Thanks to both for answering. I have downloaded several woai packages and it's amazing! a big difference to pai. I still will get a few pai packages though, mainly the Latin American airlines (AR, Gol, LAN, CM, TAM and RG) that I didn't see in woai.

thanx again for your help!

regards  Smile



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User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3503 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting GCDEG (Reply 9):

Here's 2 pictures the first is Just Flight's Traffic and the second is the way my traffic is. You can see the difference in the quality of the models alone.

Ewww...those jagged models and fuzzy repaints make me want to cry! Gross!  Wink

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 10):
I still will get a few pai packages though, mainly the Latin American airlines (AR, Gol, LAN, CM, TAM and RG) that I didn't see in woai.

If you want to learn how to put your own AI together using totally slammin' models and repaints, Gol would be a good airline to learn with. Not a lot of different planes, readily available repaints.

Speaking of AI, I just did an FS reinstall and am currently going through the drudgery of reinstalling WOAI packages and updating my own AI...quite the task, but it'll be worth it when done. You haven't suffered on avsim until you've tried to get Russian AI models and repaints for carriers in Russia/Central Asia!



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User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7642 posts, RR: 35
Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

There is no question that Just Flights graphics aren't the best, but personally, I'd rather just do a quick install, and spend the rest of my time flying. Thats just me though.


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User currently offlineAviator1990 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 11 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

I am unable to download the installer from world-of-ai on vista whereas previously I was able to download it. Now I cannot find the software. How can I download it again or why is it not working now?

User currently offlineFighterPilot From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 1383 posts, RR: 22
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

How would I put together or find an AI package for AC?

Thanks
Cal  airplane 



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13547 posts, RR: 62
Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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Allow me to chime in for a second...

Like a few of you here, I'm of the "instant FS gratification" society, myself. I want it, and I want it now.

So I'd considered buying Just Flights until someone told me about PAI. Then my "cheap" sub-routine took over and I started installing every PAI package under the sun.

When I noticed that my computer was running like a racing greyhound with an anvil tied to its head, I asked for help here. And got it.

"Change those crappy models out!" everyone shrieked. I was cringing - not sure how to do it, but people here were kind enough to point out tutorials that enabled me to keep the PAI flightplans and swap 'em out for framerate-friendly, much more aesthetically pleasing AI aircraft. Mostly from Aardvark and FSPainter.

NOW it's even easier. You can just ditch it all and install straight from WOAI; flightplans, planes, the whole shebang.

And if they don't have the airline you need, it doesn't take much to download the flightplan and models separately and marry the two.

Let me tell you - I cannot begin to explain what a huge difference this all makes. You'll get so much more enjoyment out of seeing the extra performance while seeing better visual models that you'll wonder how you got by before.

And like Guns said - those lousy PAI models - particularly the CO 752 - just make me want to cry they look so bad.

Try WOAI. I guarantee you won't be disappointed.


P.S. I FINALLY found that program on Avsim that enables you to follow your AI planes everywhere - even monitoring ones over a hundred miles away. It's awesome!



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