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Let's Build A VLA. Just For Fun  
User currently offlineBobbidooley From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 64 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4974 times:

I have always wanted to do this. So I'll start. At the end, I hope to make a photoshop mock-up, and some drawings after I read the input.

My initial thoughts / specs -

Power - 4 GE90-115B
Decks - 2 or a mix of 2 / 3
Capacity - > 600 in three classes
Wing Span - =< A380
Length - > A380
Freight Lift - =< max takeoff 640,000kg (1,400,000lb)
Range - 16,500km (8,900nm) pax
Range - 12,370km (6,700nm) freight
Seating - Econ 3 x 4 x 4 x 3
Seating - Business 2 x 3 x 3 x 2
Suites - Emirates style > 15
Cabin Alt - < 6000ft


Please add more, when we reach some sort of consensus I will build a spec plane. Thanks.
What featues would you want to see? Suggest a different layout! How many exit doors? Tilt nose for loading?
Reach for the stars and help me out, you never know, one day we may get to fly on this thing (in FSX.)
Caveat - I know that this may be a dumb idea.


Planes make me happy.
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User currently offlineLrdc9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 610 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4860 times:

For the nose section, do a 747 deseign so that it will lift up for freight and the cockpit will be up, out of the way. Also, a built in airstair in the nose would be wicked. And, uh, Landing lights, the ones that alternate, with small blue lights on the side! Also, don't even think of deseigning it in, but I wonder what a T-Tail would look like? Also, rear of plane, like on DC-9 series put in a wide staircase tha folds out. Almost the a/c width. Like on military cargo planes. Okay, Rumbaugh Out.


Just say NO to scabs.
User currently offlineDL767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4770 times:

definately make it longer than the A388, it just looks weird, do we want a conventional wing/tube design or something like a BWB

User currently offlineQFA380 From Australia, joined Jul 2005, 2060 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4747 times:

I think the fuselage should be wider than the A380, with bigger wings.

This plane will be much bigger than the A380 unless you want a super powerful plane that can fly faster than the speed of sound quite easily. 280 000lbs of thrust versus your proposed 460 000lbs, I'd say make this plane bigger than the An-225.

For the cargo version we should have a nose gear that folds down like the An-225 because that is really cool. As for the engines they will be able to rotate backwards with enough clearance from the wing to not hit it. So it will look abit like the V-22 except with jet engines and they will not have the ability to run while in the vertical position.

So with Lrdc9's suggestion we can have a drive on drive off situation.

Infact this can be a feature of the pax version too, so pax can just walk off the plane. Will allow for much quicker turnarounds as the engines rotate around in a few seconds.


User currently offlineEXTspotter From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4743 times:

It should have the Tail-Design of the Sonic Cruiser, and VC10/IL62 Double-rear mounted engines.

That would look so different.



AF BE BY FR MV PD SZ U2 VZ DHC6, 8-3/4Q, 732/8, 763ER, A319, A380
User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3278 posts, RR: 45
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4695 times:

Well, hell, lets do the 4-rear engined design of the IL-62/VC-10 ON TOP of the 6 GE engines on the wings!  Smile Gotta make the rear engines JT8Ds.  biggrin  at least 3 decks of 3-4-3 (in economy). We'll completely 1-up SQ with their suites by making the F configuration 0-1-0. As in only 1 seat per row. You have a true suite, with private toilet, queen sized bed, lounge chair (where you must sit for takeoff), flat screen tV (big, at least 40 inch).

The first 10 engined airplane!

Drool...

Cheers,
Cameron


User currently offlineTrekster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4678 times:



Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 5):

Now that sounds nice Smile

A proper suit. Chair, bed toilet, each one having a window. NICE


User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9523 posts, RR: 42
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4666 times:

I've been an A.netter for 8 years and the one thing I've learned from the experts in the Civil Aviation forum is that winglets are essential. How could everyone have forgotten those? As long as you add winglets, it doesn't matter what else you do - ergonomically, technically, aerodynamically or operationally.  duck 

There's a problem, though - apparently in order to be "cool" an aircraft must have exectly three engines. We're going to need bigger engines.  Smile


User currently offlineEXTspotter From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 4654 times:

Make the airplane one big winglet, it would definately fly because winglets grant anti-gravity to whatever is attached to, I attached them to my dog and now he can fly.


AF BE BY FR MV PD SZ U2 VZ DHC6, 8-3/4Q, 732/8, 763ER, A319, A380
User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3278 posts, RR: 45
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4634 times:



Quoting EXTspotter (Reply 8):

 rotfl  LMMFAO!!!!!!!! Priceless!

Cheers,
Cameron


User currently offlineBobbidooley From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4571 times:

So far- (My summary) what I dig so far, as I see practical. Not that any of this is.

Tilt nose entry for freight.
Airstairs front and rear.
LED landing lights along the length of the fussalage.
Much longer than the A380 - yet still able to use current airports.
Sonic Cruiser Tail.
Winglets.
Huge wings. Not necessaley long- a hybrid BW and tube.

So far so good.



Planes make me happy.
User currently offlineDw747400 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 1257 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4569 times:

A few years ago I made up a 3d model and ran some really simple numbers for a VLA in the 800 passenger range (4-class layout). Its not spectacular, but I'll see if I can dig up some of the stuff.

As for this design

Quoting Bobbidooley (Reply 10):
Airstairs front and rear.

Probably not needed for the vast majority of operations. Any airport the plane is scheduled to will have gates that can support it, or at least mobile airstairs. Only worth the added weight on a VVIP version.

Quoting Bobbidooley (Reply 10):
LED landing lights along the length of the fussalage.

Added complexity, airlines would not be happy with this.

Quoting Bobbidooley (Reply 10):
Much longer than the A380 - yet still able to use current airports.

Of course, being longer causes problems, but if you want to make a real 600+ passenger airplane, you will need to be longer than the A388. Will need careful design of the wheelbase (swiveling boogies?) to make it more maneuverable on the ground, and training/systems that allow a pilot to take advantage of that. After the A380, airports are going to be hesitant to make major capital investments for another VLA.



Quoting Bobbidooley (Reply 10):
Sonic Cruiser Tail.

Good if you have a fuselage that accommodates that design.

Quoting Bobbidooley (Reply 10):
Winglets.

Or raked wingtips... or spiroids...

Quoting Bobbidooley (Reply 10):
Huge wings. Not necessaley long- a hybrid BW and tube.

Just keep in mind a high aspect ratio is highly efficient. A stubby wing is not great for a typical airliner flight profile, structural complexity and the "80 meter box" are the big factors that lead to lower aspect wings.



CFI--Certfied Freakin Idiot
User currently offlineJamesJimlb From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1023 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4558 times:

i must say you should go on the sleeker looking 2 engine A/C, either way would look great, make first class singapore airlines suites. this will be fun.


The sky is no longer the limit, but the mere minimum
User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9523 posts, RR: 42
Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4555 times:



Quoting Dw747400 (Reply 11):
Quoting Bobbidooley (Reply 10):
Winglets.

Or raked wingtips... or spiroids...

OK, lets just say it must have wingtip doohickeys.  Smile


User currently offlineEDICHC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 4466 times:



Quoting EXTspotter (Reply 8):
Make the airplane one big winglet, it would definately fly because winglets grant anti-gravity to whatever is attached to, I attached them to my dog and now he can fly.

EXT, what have you been drinking? And....can I have some?


User currently offlineEXTspotter From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 4462 times:

I hvnnnnnnnnt binn drikkinnnnnnnn,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, leeeevvve me alown Big grin



I lub yow.



AF BE BY FR MV PD SZ U2 VZ DHC6, 8-3/4Q, 732/8, 763ER, A319, A380
User currently offlineEDICHC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 4459 times:



Quoting Dw747400 (Reply 11):
"80 meter box"

I knew a girl like that once.

Quoting EXTspotter (Reply 15):
I hvnnnnnnnnt binn drikkinnnnnnnn,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, leeeevvve me alown



I lub yow.

Alcohol induced dyslexia? Serious stuff!


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