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What Am I Doing Wrong While I Landing  
User currently offlineAirbalticfan From United States of America, joined May 2008, 266 posts, RR: 2
Posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 7465 times:

Alright,I have FSX...I stick with A321 cause for me it is easier,the plane responds just as I want and I really enjoy flying it.I have no problems during take off and during the flight,but as I approach airport,it always seems to me that I am slightly off assigned runway.I understand that let's say if ACT directed me to my final at 150 and assigned runway is 19 ,I will have to correct my flight direction on 190.The problem is that airport is too close and it's almost too late for me to make a turn....also I think I approach runway too fast...my bad...
Please share with me your secrets Smile how to safely land with my A321.From more than 40 flights I landed only at SFO and even then it took for me like 5 "go arounds"... Smile
Any help will be much appreciated!
Thank you in advance!
Yanis.

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User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3298 posts, RR: 44
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7450 times:

Hey Yanis,

I can only really help you from my experiences with FS9, but let me start out by asking you a few questions:

1) Are you flying IFR flights, or are you just messing around with VFR? You say the ATC brings you in, which leads me to believe you're being vectored to final, but in all my experiences, they do that with adequate room to maneuver to runway heading, and make corrections. Perhaps for practice's sake, just try flying some VFR flights, and find an airport with a long runway that has a localizer (SFO works just fine, but land on the 28s). When your coming in to intercept the runway, use the GPS to help you visualize it (the green feather that represents the localizer can be an excellent tool). When first learning, give yourself adequate room to make corrections (it's hard, so don't worry!); I'd aim for intercepting the runway heading several miles extended from the beginning of the green feather (just like an imaginary line that keeps running past it). Pick your point (maybe try to use terrain to help orient yourself), and turn early. Remember, don't start turning to intercept the runway once your at the imaginary line, otherwise you'll overshoot it, and that will lead to unnecessary corrections. Also, it might help to try and intercept at a 45 degree angle or less, as it's easier to tell when to start turning (and there's less of it to do). So, for example, if you're coming into 28R at SFO, pick your "point," and fly a 235 heading to intercept that point. Then, as you approach the runway extended line, begin your turn, steepening or shallowing your turn as required to align yourself with the runway (282 heading, IIRC).

2) What sort of hardware are you using? Do you have a yoke or joystick? Throttles? Any or all of these can make your FS experience much more thorough and fun. I've had my CH Products Flight Sim Yoke USB for a couple of years now, and although it's plastic, I haven't had any problems with it, and I don't think I could ever land with the mouse or keyboard like I used to, even if my life depended on it! If you are still using the keyboard or mouse, I highly recommend as step one investing in a yoke, or at least a joystick to give you a more natural control over the airplane.

3) What is your approach speed? For the A321, I'd say shooting for a touchdown speed of about 130 would be good, so if you're doing about 140-150 on final, you should be pretty good; anything higher than that, and it will be difficult to make small corrections.

Now, some more advice:  Smile

1) Make small corrections. I alluded to it above, but one of the most important things to remember is make small corrections (really hard on a keyboard, trust me!). The airplane will fly itself for the most part, and it will do exactly what you ask of it. If you want to shade just a bit to the right to line up with the centerline, don't oversteer, that'll only get you in trouble.

2) As little fun as it may be, the best way to learn to land is with the easiest airplane. People naturally tend to find the larger aircraft more fun, and jump right into them, without knowing the basics of flying. That is where a Cessna really, truly helps. If you can land a Cessna, you're well on your way to landing an A321 or a 747-400. You can "feel" the Cessna a bit more, and it will respond to you better than a jetliner will. They're also more forgiving, and as such, better for beginners.

3) Stay under control. That may sound a bit overly simplistic, but make sure you've got every facet of your approach under your control (meaning being aware of what you're doing, what you need to be doing, and how to do it). If your airspeed is 185 knots at 6.0 DME, you need to slow down (assuming the A321). If your on glideslope (also important), this can be accomplished several ways: lowering the gear (if it isn't already down), dropping more flaps, quickly raising the spoilers, or pitching up. Any of those will increase your drag (or angle of attack), and lower your airspeed. Think of landing as a 3-dimensional game. You've got to keep your plane at the correct point on 2 axes (left and right, up and down), and at the correct rate (speed). I know FS9 had a visual approach path option you could select (not sure if FSX does or not, but I believe it was in the Views menu, though I'm not sure), which, if you can follow a line, will help you with where to be in space (vertically and horizontally), and all you have to worry about is your airspeed and staying on the line. As you get better, you can do away with the line.

I hope this marathon has helped a little bit, let me know some more as to what specifically you need help with, and I'll do my best!

Cheers,
Cameron


User currently offlineAjd1992 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7410 times:

Also, another good point is the A321 handles really sluggishly. If you want more control on approach, click the "FLT CTL" buttons on the left handside of the overhead panel, above the electrical panel. It'll be a lot more responsive.

User currently offlineAirbalticfan From United States of America, joined May 2008, 266 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 7345 times:

Cameron,
Thank you so much for help,today I had just an half hour to work on my problem and I think I almost got it,at least I can line up with runway,I crushed again at KMIA...though....I will give you detailed answer on all of your questions Friday night, but here is another one.....I do fly IFR and after last assigned altitude,right before making final turn to line up with runway ( in this case it was 2000ft)it was way too late to descend and I freaked out, so I landed on taxi way Smile) and crushed in bushes Smile) Basicly I needed more distance to descend properly.Do I have to ignore ATC assigned altitude a little earlier....I also have problem to stop the plane,but I guess I approach runway too fast.....
Sorry for bothering you with these questions,I feel like they are dumb,but I really wanna learn how to fly SIM as I can't fly in real life.....
Thank you in advance!
Yanis.


User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3298 posts, RR: 44
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 7337 times:



Quoting Airbalticfan (Reply 3):

Hey Yanis,

First off, never, ever feel stupid about asking questions, if you don't know, you don't know. And rather than try and improvise for yourself, it often helps asking others!  Smile

Basically, here's the trick for landing IFR. The ATC (in your case, it was Miami Approach) will assign you a final altitude (in your case, 2,000 feet), and will usually be 2-3,000 AGL (above ground level), and give you your approach clearance: (airline) (flight number), turn left/right (heading), descend and maintain (altitude) until established on the localizer, cleared for the ILS (runway) approach, contact tower on (frequency). They should be doing this well out from the airport (10+ miles), and certainly before you intercept the ILS. If they're not, that seems really fishy. At that point, though, you are free to deviate their requirements however you need to in order to prepare yourself to land. You don't need to wait until you're given tower clearance to land to begin your descent. By the time the tower gives you clearance to land, you should be at the outer marker at the very least, and it's hard to maintain a correct VREF (approach speed) and bleed off that altitude if you're waiting until then to start your final descent. Also, utilize the PAPI to your advantage. The PAPI is the Precision Approach Path Indicator, but you probably know it as the 4 red and white lights next to the TDZ (Touchdown Zone--near the approach end of the runway). These are visual cues to inform you of your relationship to the correct glideslope. 4 red means too low, 3 red, 1 white means a shade low, 2 red, 2 white indicates you are on the correct glideslope (read: altitude), 3 white, 1 red means a bit too high, and 4 white means too high. These are very useful, but some advice, don't try and over-control your plane to keep yourself 2 white, 2 red. As you get more familiar and comfortable with landing, you will hardly need to use the PAPI at all, as you'll be able to tell where you are, and the PAPI becomes essentially confirmation, as opposed to direct guidance.

Stopping the plane is not nearly as hard, there are several things you can do once on the runway to slow down.

The first, and easiest one is to arm your autospoilers before you land (I do it right as I put the gear down, because I know I won't need them again until I touch down). Basically, the autospoilers work such that as soon as you touch the ground with your main gears, they'll deploy. This can be accomplished by hitting Shift+ / in the game (apologies if you're already doing these things. I don't want to insult your intelligence at all, but I figure better tell you something you already know than forget something you didn't!  Wink). If you'd rather do it manually, they can be deployed and retracted by pressing '/'.

The second thing you can do is activate reverse thrusters, which can be accomplished by holding F2 down for a couple of seconds after you touch down. To de-activate reverse thrusters, just hit F1 to bring your engines back to idle. If your autospoilers are armed, you will need to increase thrust just beyond idle to have them automatically retract, or hit the / key to retract them manually.

The third thing is to use your brakes (sounds obvious LOL). I can't remember if the default aircraft have autobrakes or not, if they do, there will be a knob of some sort on the main panel that says Autobrakes, and will have settings, in this order, or close to it: RTO, Off, 1, 2, 3, Max. Suffice to say the higher the number, the more braking power that will be added automatically. RTO is rejected takeoff, and should be selected before takeoff (basically, if during your takeoff roll, you retard the throttles and engage reverse thrusters, a selected RTO autobrake setting will automatically engage maximum braking.). If there aren't any autobrakes (I'm too lazy to go check!  Silly), manual braking can be added by pressing '.' as desired (which can be anything from a couple of light taps, to jamming it into the keyboard (believe me, we've all had the need to do that at some point or another). LOL.  Smile

I'm glad I could help, Yanis, and if you've got ANY more questions at all about landing or anything generally related to Flight Sim, I'll do my best to answer them!

 wave 

Cheers,
Cameron


User currently offlineAirbalticfan From United States of America, joined May 2008, 266 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7234 times:

Hey Cameron,
Thanks again for great advice!You keep old man's spirits up! )Sometimes I just get so frustrated after crushing into ATC towers,local buildings or just neighborhood backyards  )
Let's start with this....as I am a native Latvian guy,english is my 3 language after Latvian and Russian,so I might have quite a few mistakes in text,sorry about that.
I got in Flight SIM just recently and my knowlage about aviation and how to fly is maybe 20% the knowlage all of you guys know.I always loved airplanes as I grew up by very small airport in Latvia which had just 1 domestic flight plus one another every Wednesday from Kaliningrad ( Russia) via Ventspils ( Latvia ) - St.Peterbourgh ( Russia )If I remmember corectly Domestic flight was flown by AN-24 and other one by Yak...somethin..forgot exaclty what it was.So I always waited for planes to arrive cause they made final turn right above our house.At the time I was just 8-10 years old.Soon after they shut down the airport and there were no flights up until year 2000.We got back our Freedom from Russia and as a independent country once again,we opened airport just for charter flights,but on April 2008 they opened good old domestic flight from RIX ( Riga,Latvia) to my hometown Ventspils once again!  )So I just grew up watching planes but never got Flight SIM.All I did was I collected diecast airplanes and read a bunch of books about airplanes without getting into detail.
So here I am 27 years later and living my dream to fly ) Not exactly real aircraft,but FSX is not that far away from real deal.You already know my problems so now to your questions.

As you already know,I fly IFR and usually my aircraft is either A321 or Bombardier LaserJet 45.Those 2 I like most.Well I also like to fly Fokker50 but that plane gives me much headache as it is an ADDON and gauges are very small and it is hard to navigate.
I fly my flights on my Laptop HP Pavilion dv2700 SE.
4GB RAM
AMD Turion 64 2100 Mhz Dual Core Processor
Video card G Force Nvidia ( forgot exact model it was-I am not a computer guy either )

With medium setting I get pretty good frame rate,actually it jumps up and down and sometimes during the landing it sucks bad.....but I would say it's alright,but not great by any means.I can deal with it without getting annoyed.
I do not have yoke or throttles but I use Logitech joystick...I would not be able to used only a keyboard....I am planning to get good yoke and I would love to hear from you what is the best or at least very good product out there.
My approach speed was higher than what you suggested,so I will keep this in my old head 
For some reason I have hell of a time to fly Cesna planes so I stick with what I like most,but now I will try to practice more flying Cesna.
To be honest I had no idea about PAPIS and now these lights make a lot of sense!Otherwise for me it was just where runway is at...lol! ( I used to work at my hometown airport to set up all those lights as we were rebuilding or airport and cause I am a land surveryor thay called us for help,but I had no idea what light meant what..lol)I really hope that PAPIS will help me a lot during the landing!Thanks a million.Also thanks for advice about autospoilers,the rest of stopping process I knew but thanks for reminding.
Now I have another few questions....
How the hell I fly VOR or VFR....I cant find the way even if I need to fly from my house to local liquor store across the street!!!I guess I have no idea how to use all tools I have an my dashboard right in front of me!!!I mean I live in Denver and tried to go to Rocky Mountain Metropolitan Airport by my work and the only way I found it and actually landed (with that small airplane where the guy sits in and propeller is right behind him and the speed is just 40miles/h)was because I knew that the airport is by the mountains on West side and that I kind of know area,not because VOR told me where to go.....
Also I went to www.airnav.com and printed out couple of airport charts which shows runway layouts, approach patterns and other cool stuff.....w

[Edited 2008-06-27 19:32:51]

User currently offlineAirbalticfan From United States of America, joined May 2008, 266 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 7229 times:

Also I went to www.airnav.com and printed out couple of airport charts which shows runway layouts, approach patterns and other cool stuff....If I study them before I fly to certain airport,could it help me?How do you prepare for your flights?
Thank you ,
Best regards,Yanis


User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3298 posts, RR: 44
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 7207 times:

Hey Yanis,

It sounds like you've lived a really interesting life. I can't say I've ever been to your neck of the woods, but I'd love to visit some of the Baltic states sometime. I've only made it as far east as Salzburg, Austria.  Smile No worries about the little grammatical errors, I can understand you just fine, and I guarantee you I couldn't talk to you in Latvian or Russian, and undoubtedly not as well as you speak English.  Smile

On to some of your questions:

VORs are a real pain in the ass, and I'm not sure I could be of much help. I'll use my private pilot book as much as I can, and try and explain it to you. This is where using the Cessna can be of real benefit, as it can really help you familiarize yourself with the instruments, and help you learn some airborne navigation (remember: you're never too old to take some real flying lessons!). Essentially, the way a Very high frequency Omnidirectional Range (VOR) works is it emits radio beams in all directions. When your aircraft has been tuned into the correct frequency (for example, DEN's VOR frequency is 117.9), this instrument, the VOR indicator, will be the important one:



There are several components that are important, before I explain to you how to get it to work. You will see a white needle, that is the Course Deviation Indicator (CDI). Essentially, that will tell you where to go. To the right, you will see a white arrow pointing down, and the letters FR below it, and the letters TO above it. This arrow will fluctuate depending on your location, and will tell you whether or not the selected radial (radio beams emitted in every direction) will take you toward (TO) or away (FR) from the VOR station. To determine your necessary heading, you turn the knob in the lower left corner, called the Omnibearing Selector (OBS), until the CDI is centered with the TO arrow being displayed. Whatever heading this displays will be the heading you need to fly (assuming no crosswinds) to reach the station. Some VORs will also have Distance Measuring Equipment (DME), and will be seen most frequently as VORDMEs. To tune your VOR equipment in the Cessna 172, you will use see two instruments that look like VOR indicators. One of them will have a horizontal bar, as well as the vertical one. Use the other one. It is connected with Nav 2 on your radio stack. Tune Nav 2 to the correct frequency (try taking off from your home airport, tuning the Nav 2 frequency to 117.9, the DEN VORDME, and try to find KDEN), and don't forget to switch it to the active frequency by pressing the little two-arrow button between the two frequencies. Your VOR indicator should suddenly spring to life. Then, use the OBS knob to rotate the indicator until you get a centered arrow with the TO indicator (arrow up). Turn to the heading shown at the top of the CDI (whatever the arrow is pointing to, in the case of my diagram, it looks to be about 255), and that will take you straight to DEN, assuming you can keep it centered. Remember, the CDI tells you where the VOR is in relation to you, so if the arrow is deflected left of center, and you are getting the TO indication (arrow up), you must turn left to intercept the correct radial. The DME displays in the upper right of your panel, and has a distance (nm), speed, (kt), and time (m). All useful information!

That is VOR navigation in a nutshell, all I can say about that is practice, practice, practice!  Smile

Do not get VOR confused with VFR (Visual Flight Rules). VFR is as opposed to IFR (Instrument Flight Rules). Essentially, with IFR you are being navigated by ATC, and must be in contact with them. If you have VFR clearance, you are essentially free to do whatever, and go wherever, provided you don't enter into certain airspaces (I won't go into that, it's way over MY head, and I've taken ground school). I would practice at first flying VFR, even in the big rigs, simply because it gives you a lot more freedom to go where you want. Once you get comfortable with flying and landing, you can try IFR.  Smile

Yanis, you can spend as little or as much as you want on a yoke, from $100 to several hundred. Personally, I've been very happy with my CH Products Flight Sim Yoke USB, and you can find it on amazon.com for $99. It is a wonderful step up from the keyboard that I came from, and has many customizable buttons that can do whatever you want them to (on mine, I have gears, pause, pushback, spoilers, autospoilers, rudder trim, engine start, engine shutdown, brake), basically all the things you use most during a flight. I also have their Throttle Quadrant, which allows you individual engine throttle control, and more buttons, but that is a bit pricier. Actually, I just checked, and it's only $126. I got it for $200. Just a note, the Yoke does come with 3 programmable axes, but default to throttle, mixture, and RPM. So you can control the throttles with the Yoke, but the Throttle Quadrant is far more real feeling. Another one I've heard people really like is the Saitek Pro Flight Yoke, which can also be found on amazon, for $132.

Airnav is a wonderful resource, and I use it when flying into unfamiliar territory. Sadly, I'm such an airplane nerd, I already know most of what I need to know about an airport before I get there. Just a heads up, though, Airnav uses the most current information, and sometimes frequencies will have changed, so it's best to use your in-game map to verify your frequencies. Just click on the airport icons and it will tell you everything you need to know about it. I've also collected a ridiculous amount of expired Jeppesen charts from pilots, while they're making their revisions, so the enroute charts and airport diagrams are invaluable. Just so you know, though, printing out charts from Airnav will give you all the same stuff except the enroute (foldout) maps.

For me, one of the most frustrating things about Flight Sim is the unrealistic weather. I use Active Sky, an addon weather generator, which uses real-time data. The problem is, that doesn't always correspond to the correct runways being used. I fly out of my home airport, AUS, a lot, and the winds according to Active Sky might be 150 @ 13, but the game is unrealistically using the 35s. I can't really have a good idea of what runway I'm landing on until I get either close enough to check the ATIS (Automated Terminal Information Service, about 60 miles away, give or take), or contact the tower (usually about 30 miles away). This affects not only my advanced addons PMDG, Level-D Sim, Captain Sim, and their FMCs (Flight Management Computer), but also my planned descent.

In airliners, if I'm cruising at FL 330, and the airport is close enough to sea level, I usually start my descent about 120 miles out, using my GPS to tell me when that is (assuming I'm not using my snazzy addons that tell me when to descend and actually do it for me). Do you know to program a direct-to-waypoint using the GPS, and selecting it in the autopilot? It's a life-saver, if you don't. You'll be able to forget everything I told you about VOR navigation (though still good information to have), because the advent of the GPS means it can tell you all that information, distance to a waypoint, groundspeed, time enroute, desired heading, and all sorts of more valuable information, in a much easier fashion.

I found an interesting video for you, so check it out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7mQBL8yVfU

How to Land a Cessna 172

Good luck, Yanis, and if I haven't written enough of a novel for you already, I'll be glad to help with any more questions you may have.

Cheers,
Cameron


User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4967 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7172 times:

Yanis, first of all good luck with FS! I have FS9 (installed FSX but honeslty did not enjoy it as much as the other one). You are getting great help from cameron, and he's a great "explainer" Big grin

Hey Cameron, reading all your explanations reminded me of when you helped me some time ago! And thanx to you and a lot of my own patience I can land .. well, most of the time  Wink

Funny thing is, I never, ever managed to have a full flight and proper landing with a Cessna. I've tried, but I just can't, so bye bye Cessna's for me Big grin

Regarding landing, until very recently I would land using GPS to put me on track with the RWY heading and then go down manually. Not so long ago I gave it another try at proper ILS landings and I'm actually happy with the results! I used to have a lot pf problems with ILS because when I would disengage the AP the plane would go all over the place, but now, with many more landings (therefore a better idea of speed, for example), I most of the times get it right.

Now here's a stupid question; sometimes when performing an ILS approach, in some airports (can't remember now which ones) the ILS doesn't give you the correct heading, meaning it does not place you on the proper centerline¡, but somewhat to the side of it. If the weather is fine then it's ok cause I see the rwy and just go down manually, but with low visibility It's happened that I find myself at 300ft or so and the rwy is, well, not there!

Does this have to do with a problem in FS9 or what am I doing wrong?

regards  Smile



Carp aunque ganes o pierdas ...
User currently offlineAirbalticfan From United States of America, joined May 2008, 266 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 7163 times:

Hey Cameron,
thank you so very much for your time to try to explain me all of those things I need to know,and guess what...I think I got it just fine!I have read before about VOR but they just got deep in to technical part of it that I simply got lost in bunch of information,you did it as simple as you could and now I will try to use it and see how it works for me.Of course there will be more bush and neighbour backyard landings Smile),but I will get it right,I have no doubts about it.
Are you a pilot in real life or hard core FS9 pilot?I feel that you are both Smile)Just you can't get enough of freedom what sky give to us!
I bet you have heard about Virtual Airlines and that you can fly for let's say FedEx or Frontier or Delta....have you done that and if you have, is it a real deal or pain in a butt?I know I try to rush things,but in a future if that is a cool thing, I would love to fly for some airline, but before that I have to learn how to land first Smile)
Thank you again so very much for your time and patience explaining me and helping me out,and when I will be able to safely land anywhere in the planet,I will fly from DEN to AUS just for you and will record that landing Smile)
Thanks a million,

Best regards Yanis.


User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3298 posts, RR: 44
Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7157 times:



Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 8):
Does this have to do with a problem in FS9 or what am I doing wrong?

Hey EZEIZA, first off, thanks for the kind words! It's always a pleasure helping others. To answer your question, sadly, it's just a limitation of the game. With all the ILS's in the world, it can't be too surprising that some of them are messed up (now in my opinion, more are messed up than aren't), but that's the way it goes.

Good luck, and happy landings!

Quoting Airbalticfan (Reply 9):

Hey Yanis, I'm glad I can be of some help, and keep me posted, I want to hear about those impending successful landings! In answer to your question, at this point I would just consider myself a hardcore FS9 simmer, but I do have a respectable knowledge of real-world aviation. If you want to get really familiar with aeronautical communications, I highly recommend LiveATC.net, this will allow you to listen to LIVE ATC communications from all over the world. It's an awesome thing to listen to, and you'll get used to understanding it, and eventually it will be second nature. Right now I'm saving up to get my PPL, with dreams of being a commercial pilot. I've always wanted to be, literally since I was two.

I have definitely heard of virtual airlines, but I must confess I don't know much about them. VATSIM is an awesome thing (essentially, instead of using the lousy in-game ATC, you connect to their servers and talk and interact with a real person playing the role of controller. It's far from a game, though, they're very serious, and will chew your ass out if you screw up!  Smile), but I think you have a sort of quota for the week in flights that you have to fly, and many of them are pretty unrealistic routes, which I think has sort of drawn me away from it. But I can certainly see how much fun it might be, too!

Talk to you later!

Cheers,
Cameron


User currently offlineAirbalticfan From United States of America, joined May 2008, 266 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7145 times:

Cameron,I have great news for you,I just completed my 1st succesful flight on A321 from Riga / Latvia/ to Stockholm /Sweden/ !!!
Landing was very smooth to compare to my other ones,I slowed down ,lined up with runway,descend using my new awesome tool what's called PAPI and here I am in Stockholm,Arlanda airport!!!

Thank you,thank you,thank you!!!


User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4967 posts, RR: 24
Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 7120 times:



Quoting Airbalticfan (Reply 11):
Landing was very smooth to compare to my other ones,I slowed down ,lined up with runway,descend using my new awesome tool what's called PAPI and here I am in Stockholm,Arlanda airport!!!

I know the feeling to have a perfect landing for the first time! Big grin
Congrats! From now on it'll be more good landing than bad ones  Smile



Carp aunque ganes o pierdas ...
User currently offlineAirbalticfan From United States of America, joined May 2008, 266 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 7114 times:



Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 12):
I know the feeling to have a perfect landing for the first time!
Congrats! From now on it'll be more good landing than bad ones

Thank you EZEIZA!  Wink


User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3298 posts, RR: 44
Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 7114 times:



Quoting Airbalticfan (Reply 11):

Great news, Yanis!!!!!! I'm glad I could help you out!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Smile Congrats!  champagne  Here's to many more!

Cheers,
Cameron


User currently offlineAirbalticfan From United States of America, joined May 2008, 266 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 7059 times:

Thank you guys for kind words,I made another flight form Arlanda (SWE) to Kastrup (DEN)whith same aircraft and of course I landed safely once again Smile)Now my question is,how do I refuel my A321?It show that I only have 50% fuel left,but I wanna take flight from Copenhagen Kastrup to London Heathrow...or somewhere to Iceland.....I might be good with a fuel load I have on board,but I would love to refuel and I have no idea how to do that.
Once I landed I did get the option to take taxi to parking and fueling and when I did that,there were no more options to call for refueling.
Please help me to solve this small problem Smile
Thanks,Yanis.


User currently offlineContinental From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5517 posts, RR: 17
Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 7057 times:

You should be able to go into aircraft options in the drop down menu (I think there's a selection called fuel & payload) and enter the fuel manually. I also recall that some airports, in FS9 at least, had little fueling areas at the airport where you park your aircraft in a red square near fuel pumps and your aircraft refuels. Entering it manually seems most realistic as commercial aircraft do not normally taxi to a little red square to refuel!

User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4750 posts, RR: 44
Reply 17, posted (6 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6975 times:

I don't fly on FSX or use the A321, but I fly like a bat outta hell until on short final and drop everything, slows you right down and often gives you a greaser!


Some see lines, others see between the lines.
User currently offlineNicoEDDF From Germany, joined Jan 2008, 1099 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 6904 times:



Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 1):
As little fun as it may be, the best way to learn to land is with the easiest airplane

I just realized, reading your explanations, that I never really tried to have fun with a Cessna, or a similar smaller aicraft. As many I took the 738 and the 321 right from the beginning.

Despite being quite good at it, I decided to try out flying the 172P and quite recently the Baron and I have to admit: It IS big fun  Smile Especially short hops, going from smaller airpors with only 30nm distance between each other, having therefoer many take-offs and landings is the best practice ever and big fun, too!

Maybe I should try vatsim again sometime for IFR, but recently doing VFR is great  Smile


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