KLM672 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 2586 posts, RR: 3 Posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7977 times:
Like most of you I'm sure, I've always wanted to be a pilot. For the past few years I've been flying on and off--nothing serious just for fun when money allowed. In 2005/2006 I flew 3 or 4 times. In 2007, I decided to become a Flight Attendant to see if I could even do that first of all, if I liked the lifestyle and of course to meet pilots. I've always thought of a pilot to be about 45-50 years old, gray hair, mustache and somewhat stern. I was wrong. Working at a regional the majority of my pilots were only a few years old than me (I'm 22). They were some of the friendIist people I have ever met! I felt, "wow I need to get going on the lessons"!
Ever since I brought up the idea to my parents, I've received very little encouragement or support. All they see is the price tag. Its always an issue of money. "Wow that is a lot for a lesson." They would say. Mom and Dad's idea is to go back to what I was doing before and just take lessons when money allows while looking. Mom and dad in in a growchy voice: "You have bilsl to pay (enter list of college loans, car bils, gas bills). Its ok if it takes longer than the rest." They said. I've tried to explain that the more often I fly, the lower it cost because I am retaining more information. This has rubbed off on me. In fact, this morning i was nervous about paying it "ugh, i have to hand my card over and pay for this." I do have enough money in my account, thats not an issue. I was told that I could start September when I my mom gets her new job and if needed, could help me out with money if I get into a bind. Then it went from "well, finish your assoicates degree (it'll be done in May '09) and then it was "finish your bacholers". Sometimes I even get the impression they want me to maybe just maybe start taking lessons when I'm, you know, 40 years old. So September is almost here and I'm taking my first lesson. I told my mom "well, you did say wait until September" and her response was "well, you had a job then..." I have a job now!! What she is refering to is I use to work at a gas station (I have a post in here non-avi about it somewhere). I was making min wage and lived about 30 miles from the station. I also had a second job at an FBO making decent money but I live about 50 miles from there. When I applied to the FBO I was under the impression it was a summer job and it would end Aug 31st (the sign requested "summer help"). I was able to get a good amount of more hours and I am pretty sure I am a keeper.
I recently tried to take out a loan from Sallie Mae (that career loan they have) although I was denied due to my age and lack of credit. I asked that my parents co-sign but they have no clue who Sallie Mae is. My mom even said "its just a company that scams kids like you and then takes all your money." Right now I think I can afford to fly once a week (I'll be at the airport already after my shift so I'll save on gas) and study my butt off during the week. If money comes avaible I'll fly twice a week. I've also explained that there is a rating where I could teach and earn money. I am guartenteed a job here at the FBO once I get my CFI. My mom said "well, you need to get there first." ..........umm duh!!!!!!!!!!
I have noticed that workinig at the airport has helped them "see" things. I make a point to let them know that many of the students are my age (and younger) here. They are, for the most part, not rich and are just like me. Just doing this for a career or/and because they like airplanes. I do have a lot of connections from my Flight Attendant time and many of the pilots are just a phone call, email, or text away. They have all offered their help be it paperwork, dvd's or in one case free checkrides!
I would like my parents to meet me most of the way..if not financially, at least emountially as that is equally important. Does anyone have any ideas or suggestions?
I can only say good luck. I wanted to do some gliding or private lessons for PPL when I was younger. But we just haven't had the money. So my first flight was during my flight training at Lufthansa when I was 23.
I cannot really give you hints or tips or tricks. Just talk to them, try to convince them how important it is for you and that you REALLY want to do that and that it is not just a 'phase'.
Maybe take them to the airport where you want to take flying lessons, show them around, introduce them to the instructor etc etc. Or get a proper job and pay for your lessons on your own Once you are old enough you don't need permission from your parents.
KLM672 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 2586 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 7953 times:
Yeah, I realize that I am 22 and I'll "do what I want" now but I still live with them. Yes, my instructor thought maybe they'd like to go up one time. Perhaps them seeing me sitting there and studying at the kitchen table would help! Another thing that I don't get (whether or not this is even vaild) is I was always a good kids. I never smoked, never got in trouble with the law or at school, its the only thing I ever truley wanted to do.
Everything could help. They just need to feel confident that you really want to do it and that it is a good idea becoming a pilot. Meeting the instructor for sure helps. Then your parents can see if he is trustworthy
Navymmw From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7857 times:
hmmm im not really sure how to help. Im lucky that my mom is supporting me to take lessons at 16, I guess its because my grandfather was a Air Traffic Controller and worked with Delta for most of his life(not as a Pilot)
But I guess just show them how much you love it, and maybe if you can take one of them along with you on one of your lessons and then they can see how important it is too you.
Calramper From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 92 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 7777 times:
Quoting KLM672 (Thread starter): I recently tried to take out a loan from Sallie Mae (that career loan they have) although I was denied due to my age and lack of credit. I asked that my parents co-sign but they have no clue who Sallie Mae is. My mom even said "its just a company that scams kids like you and then takes all your money."
You can tell your parents that Sallie Mae is not a scam. I have plenty of college loans from them and find that are very reputable
AcNDTTech From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 7697 times:
At 22, you're an adult. I would suggest adding to your student loan debt and going somewhere like Embry-Riddle, Spartan, or Everglades University (just to name a few). The financial aid offices at ALL schools that have a professional pilot program know all the ins and outs to get you the money you will need. These schools aren't cheap, but most will get you and interview with a regional once you complete the program. These regionals will often allow you to start a flying career with only a few hundred hours.
Soon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 7676 times:
If you think the chances of you becoming a career pilot are in the cards for you, that potentially flying heavy iron is where you want to be then I advise you pull out all the stops. First you will need the the fiscal recources, can't comment on that since I'm unaware of your situation...next...the biggie!...your parents blessings...FORGET IT...unless....they come from an Aviation background. It will be your job to prove to them that its for you...that is only achieved by your success in it. You still won't get their blessings however you will gain their respect in addition...down the road, they too will obtain BRAGGING RIGHTS about their son "THE PILOT".
I started out with a limited budget so I started in gliders. I soon was asked to work at the operation giving rides so I traded off time for my commercial ticket. I have since 7,500 take off and landings in non powered aircraft. I then transitioned to power...(the glider time counts)...glider time made it much cheaper to obtain power ticket. I have since had offers from my clients to fly for them but I need to get more certification and at this juncture, age 53, I'm sorry I did not start earlier. Having gone to college for Advertising, then working in the business in NY City for twenty years...I feel I cheated myself as my heart always was in aviation. Go for the GUMBO, shock your parents and FLY. By the way...remind them that the pilots that liberated Europe in WWll flew 1500 HP P-51's with only hours of training...many were only 19 years old...the best of luck!...j