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Best FS9 777-200LR + Possible Merge Help?  
User currently offlineElpinDAB From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 485 posts, RR: 4
Posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 25316 times:

I've viewed all available 777 FS9 add-on's and can't really find an adequate sim that I'd be willing to drop $40 on. The payware 777's from Wilco, PSS, and simmer's sky just don't seem worth it. The Wilco panel and VC look nice, which makes it the number one option for me, but the exterior model doesn't look good, and the only model offered is the -200ER with GE engines and limited (but free) livery options.

I recently downloaded the POSKY 777-200LR in new DL colors, and it looks great, but it has C172 sounds and handles like the default 777 (which is completely unrealistic).

What I'd really like is a great exterior model combined with accurate flight dynamics, a fully functioning, realistic 2d panel, and a good VC. So, I'm thinking about attempting to download the Wilco 777 and merge it with POSKY's exterior model. I have Wilco's E-jet series and Legacy, which are both nice. Airbus Series one is decent, but their Airbus Series 2 (the heavies) are greatly lacking in flight dynamics and visual model. CLS's A330/340 series is a much better product, imo, as I have both.

So here are my questions.
1) Is Wilco's 777 any good, despite it's exterior model? I'm most concerned about the flight dynamics, because I trust that the panel and VC are decent. I'm not looking to have a 100% functioning FMS and systems...I just like to have fun on Flight Sim, and not try to learn new aircraft beyond basic funtions.

2) Would it be worth it for me to purchase Wilco's 777 and attempt to merge it with POSKY's visual model?

3) If so, how would I go about doing this? What I'd really like to do is keep the entire Wilco package and integrate POSKY's visual model ONLY. Even Wilco's 777 performs a bit better than it should, I am good at editing .air files to tweak handling to my standards.


It's a shame that a developer would go through so much effort to create a solid product, and then neglect the visual model. POSKY makes their models for free, and they typically look just as good as any payware product. Unfortunately, their visuals are the best thing.


I'd really appreciate any input, especially about the possible merge Wilco/POSKY merge.

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User currently offlineElpinDAB From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 485 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 25316 times:

Is there any way to give an exterior model a virtual cockpit, if it didn't already have one? Eg, could I give the POSKY 777 a new VC, or would I be forced to use the existing one, if I could get it to work?

Then I would run into the problem of whether or not a new 2d panel would have gauges that functioned in POSKY's VC....


User currently offlineFlyingColours From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2315 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 25285 times:

The best 777s I've ever flown are from MelJet, the 3D models are beyond fantastic, I've never tried the Virtual Cockpit but the Virtual Cabin is unbelievable and fun on really long overwater flights... The handling is superb and has been tested by T7 guys who approve, it got the best award from Avsim & Flightsim.com

Almost the whole 777 family is there too,

777-200ER/-200LR/-300/-300ER

It's really worth downloading, The website is here http://www.meljet.com/

There are plenty of repaints on Avsim too, as well as the base models incase the website isn't running them (it happens sometimes).

There is a really good 2D panel that comes with it too, it's not got all the bits like something you'd pay for but it definitely does the job & looks the part. Just checked and it doesn't have a VC but there is a virtual cabin, so that would probably kill any panel merge attempts I'd guess...

Phil
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User currently offlineMHTripple7 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1108 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 25245 times:

Interestingly enough, I think Simmer's Sky has the best model + FDE combination. They also have a panel and virtual cockpit. Probably one of the best FS9 investments I've ever made actually.



User currently offlineYYZRWY23 From Canada, joined Aug 2009, 561 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 25240 times:

I use the PSS 777 and it is fantastic. Great textures, excellent 2D panel + VC. Can hit the frame rates a bit if you have an older system though. Unforutnately PSS is out of business, but you can still pick it up on Just Flight and it includes 26 liveries. You can find some repaints on avsim once it is fully up and operational again. Happy simming!

http://www.justflight.com/product.asp?pid=120

Jason



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User currently onlineDreamflight767 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 92 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 25238 times:
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Well, the Wilco 777 is OK. Things I don't like though:

Can't stand the FMS. I can't get the SIDS/STARS to merge with the rest of the route for the life of me & the "Transition" option is INOP. I don't understand how they did such a good job with the 767 & failed miserably with the 777 FMS.

The manual that comes with Wilco's 777 is terrible; too generic. You really need to have other knowledge in order to understand the airplane's systems.

When I try to use Wilco's 777 on long haul flights, my computer crashes about 6/7 hours into flight. I have another add-on which operates just fine on such flights. To be fair though, I'm not sure if this problem is a result of my computer, Windows Vista, or if Wilco's 777 really does use extra memory & my computer doesn't have the space to run the program for that long.

The airplane though does sound great & you really feel the sluggish characteristics.

My recommendation, although not the LR, compatible with FS 2004 or Vista is:

"World Airliners 747-400 & 777-200 Pro."

Lots of liveries, good FMS & performance.


User currently offlineARMEDnPISSED From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 25159 times:

My opinion on the Wilco 777 is completely the opposite of yours. The VC looks terrible but the exterior cockpit looks pretty decent. I made this picture showing off the terrible VC.

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/7773/777vcwx6.jpg

This is with the aircraft settings in FSX to ultra high.

[Edited 2009-08-04 02:35:49]

User currently offlineLuftfahrer From Germany, joined Mar 2009, 1037 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 25141 times:

I find the PSS 777 is still the best Triple 7 on the market, probably for a long time to remain. The systems are not as subtle and accurate as in PMDG's addons for instance, but the graphics are nicely done and the overall performance is satisfying. For me, the best T7 model in terms of model and paints comes from Project Opensky, freeware  . I've been using this combination for quite some time and I'm very pleased with it. Apart from a few minor flaws, you can have real fun flying the B777 series in the simulator. To my knowledge, there are merges for most of the different variations, some of them may be found at Avsim.com or in their forum.
Happy contrails!   

[Edited 2009-08-04 07:55:41]


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User currently offline787seattle From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 641 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 25099 times:



Quoting ElpinDAB (Thread starter):
POSKY 777-200LR in new DL colors, and it looks great, but it has C172 sounds

You can always change that by downloading a new sound pack.



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User currently onlineDreamflight767 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 92 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 25062 times:
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Do any of you who use Wilco's 777 have the same problem with FMC as I do? Can't merge the SIDS/STARS w/ the route?

And when I select the DEP/ARR runway from the FMC, the runway never aligns properly on the NAV display.


User currently offlineElpinDAB From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 485 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 24977 times:

Thanks for the replies!

From the additional research I've done, I'm beginning to think that the PSS 777 is probably the most solid product available. But, I'm still disappointed in the 3d model.

The screenshots in this review http://reviews.flightsim-pro.com/pss_777pro/index.htm look wonderful, but on the purchase page http://www.justflight.com/screenPopUp.asp?pid=255 look terrible. For example: http://www.justflight.com/img/screenshots/20070529121605QOD6U-L.jpg
This looks unacceptable for anything other than a freeware addon.

For those who have it, how do you think it looks? Is it an accurate 3d model? The nose is what looks worst to me...

I'm also having trouble finding additional paint schemes for it on avsim, which also turns me off. It almost seems as if the default paint schemes might be lacking, and a repaint could do wonders for the appearance.

The Simmer's Sky 777 appears to have the most authentic 3d model, but the virtual cockpit and 2d panel almost seem too simple. Also, they now have a download link on their page for a freeware MD-11. It supports my conclusion and also has rocket ship performance. A max weight takeoff yielded a 6,000fpm initial climb rate... So this deterred me from buying it.

I saw a YouTube video from somebody who merged the PSS 777 with the Simmer's Sky 3d model, and it looked good.

The POSKY 3d model still probably looks better, although I can't draw any firm conclusions since I haven't actually downloaded Simmer's Sky's version.

For now, I might just try to modify my POSKY 777-200LR. I've given it the sound files from my CLS A330, and downloaded the VC and gauges. Next, I might just give it the CLS A330 .air file, modify the aircraft.cfg a little for correct speeds, thrust, weights, drag, etc, and call it quits there if I like it.

I'd eventually like to put down some money for the best FS9 777 I can get though.


User currently offlineYYZRWY23 From Canada, joined Aug 2009, 561 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 24958 times:



Quoting ElpinDAB (Reply 10):
For those who have it, how do you think it looks? Is it an accurate 3d model? The nose is what looks worst to me...

I think it looks great, especially in comparison to other models out there (payware and freeware) but this is entirely up for individual interpretaion. I think the liveries look good, and for me, the nose isn't a huge deal if it isn't 100% replicated, but I still think it looks good.

The overall 3-D model in my opinion is done very well. I also prefer getting an entire package instead of piecing together sound packs, different panels...etc. But again, my opinion and my way of doing things.

If you would like some screenshots, PM me your e-mail address and I can send as many as you would like as I have albums of flights using the PSS 777.

Happy Simming,

Jason



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User currently offlineElpinDAB From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 485 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 24917 times:

I like having a full package also, although some mixes are can go a long way sometimes.

I ended up settling on the PSS 777, and it's actually much better than I had expected, which was a surprise. The model is better than I had expected also. I think some good repaints would go a long way in making it's overall appearance better. The VC is a little blurry, and some of it's textures are a bit primitive, but overall, I don't regret getting it.

One more quirk is the floating main gear on touchdown...it just hovers above the ground until the wings lose lift. I might try to find some fixes for that though.

Thanks again for the recommendations.


User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8220 posts, RR: 26
Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 24914 times:



Quoting ElpinDAB (Reply 12):
I like having a full package also, although some mixes are can go a long way sometimes.

If you correctly install the FDE, the latest versions of the POSKY 777 have excellent handling characteristics.

For excellent sounds for all three engine options, including the GE90 on your LR, you should download this package:

http://library.avsim.net/download.php?DLID=90075

A merge with the Wilco panel will yield excellent results in the above configuration.

The Simmer's Sky visual model looks nice from a distance but a number of animations have serious issues including the flaps, landing gear and lack of a two-section rudder. The engine nacelles are also incorrectly sized.



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User currently offlineYYZRWY23 From Canada, joined Aug 2009, 561 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 24895 times:



Quoting ElpinDAB (Reply 12):
I ended up settling on the PSS 777, and it's actually much better than I had expected

Very glad to hear this!!!

Quoting ElpinDAB (Reply 12):
The VC is a little blurry

I find this as well, but if you zoom in it is usually good but some dials remain blurry.

Quoting ElpinDAB (Reply 12):
One more quirk is the floating main gear on touchdown...it just hovers above the ground until the wings lose lift.

I notice this as well, when I land I usually push it down with some force if you want it down quicker.

Quoting ElpinDAB (Reply 12):
I might try to find some fixes for that though

Please PM me if you find anything, I would appreciate it.

Jason



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