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Fantasy Hypo: Imagine Delta In Terminal 8 At JFK  
User currently offlinerjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7314 times:

Imagine if Delta operated from a slightly expanded Terminal 8 at JFK. The check-in area is large enough to accommodate Delta during the international rush (which Delta's current facilities can not do), a spacious FIS facility, plenty of gates including RJ gates. With service to:
Tokyo, London, Manchester, Dublin, Shannon, Amsterdam, Brussels, Nice, Frankfurt, Berlin, Zurich, Copenhagen, Stockholm, Moscow, Kiev, Prague, Budapest, Istanbul, Athens, Rome, Milan, Venice, Pisa, Madrid, Barcelona, Malaga, Valencia, Tel Aviv, Amman, Cairo, Dakar, Sao Paulo, Accra, and Abuja.

Plus all of the domestic and Central/Latin American destinations, including premium service to Los Angeles and San Francisco.

Imagine all of this under one roof. It would be a truly amazing thing to see at Kennedy Airport and in the United States. It really is such a shame that Delta's operation needs to be spread over three terminals, and will remain a cluster for at least the next four or five years. I look forward to the day when their facilities match the fantastic service they now have at Kennedy. But I can not help but think how amazing it would be to see Delta's operation in T8....If only they had long-term vision a decade ago...

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User currently offlineJFKLGANYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3546 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7233 times:

They would def need to finish it to full size.

The thing that I see on airliners a lot is this longing for DL to have built a terminal like AA did back in 2000.

I have heard this puts AA in a better position. But it doesn't. That's because DL has the flights, and AA doesn't

AA has a beautiful silver platter with a few pieces of meat on it. DL has a porcelin platter that was given to her by her grandmother, but there is a large variety of meat that is piled high for all to use. The silver platter doesn't mean much if there's nothing on it.


User currently offlineFlyby519 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1178 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7194 times:

DLs terminal is an operational disadvantage compared to AA at JFK. Yes, DL has a lot of flights to Europe, but it can be such a damn fiasco getting in/out from their terminals that it might be worth jumping on AA to LHR and connecting on BA.


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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16885 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7135 times:

AA also has the more prestigious routes such as three class service to LAX and SFO domestically as well as 5 daily 3 class 777 service to LHR, so it goes along with the more modern terminal facilities.


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User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2436 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7098 times:

Quoting rjpieces (Thread starter):
Imagine all of this under one roof. It would be a truly amazing thing
Quoting rjpieces (Thread starter):
match the fantastic service
Quoting rjpieces (Thread starter):
think how amazing
Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 1):
DL has a porcelin platter that was given to her by her grandmother, but there is a large variety of meat that is piled high for all to use.

The adulation here is starting to border on the bizarre.


User currently offlineBA174 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 761 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7091 times:

Quoting Flyby519 (Reply 2):
DLs terminal is an operational disadvantage compared to AA at JFK. Yes, DL has a lot of flights to Europe, but it can be such a damn fiasco getting in/out from their terminals that it might be worth jumping on AA to LHR and connecting on BA.

I would go with BA right through as T7 in my opinion may not be the most bling termianl at JFK but it's nice and quiet with some nice BA staff and decent lounges


User currently offlineLHCVG From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1605 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7031 times:

Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 1):
AA has a beautiful silver platter with a few pieces of meat on it. DL has a porcelin platter that was given to her by her grandmother, but there is a large variety of meat that is piled high for all to use. The silver platter doesn't mean much if there's nothing on it.

I like your analogy here.

Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 1):
DLs terminal is an operational disadvantage compared to AA at JFK. Yes, DL has a lot of flights to Europe, but it can be such a damn fiasco getting in/out from their terminals that it might be worth jumping on AA to LHR and connecting on BA.

However, it would be interesting to get feedback from travellers on their real-world choice in this scenario. Obviously AA does have 3-class service on some premium routs, but assuming were just looking at J and Y.


User currently offlineFlyby519 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1178 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 6999 times:

Quoting BA174 (Reply 5):
I would go with BA right through as T7 in my opinion may not be the most bling termianl at JFK but it's nice and quiet with some nice BA staff and decent lounges

Agreed, same could be said about AF going through CDG instead of using DL.



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User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2369 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 6897 times:

If I remember correctly, AA scaled down the original rebuild plans for T8. So does this mean that the main concourse can be expanded as AA grows or is there now some permanent structure blocking such an expansion? Google maps is not up to date for JFK. It would be awesome to have T8 at its maximum size.

One thing that I've always wondered is if there was any benefit to an airside connection between T8 and T7.

[Edited 2010-02-18 09:30:31]


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User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10511 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6835 times:

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 4):
The adulation here is starting to border on the bizarre.

I imagine that since the subject of this thread was DL, you might have imagined that. If you don't like what you see, don't read it. We already know where your loyalties lie.



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User currently offlineincitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4031 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6684 times:

Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 1):
DL has a porcelin platter

Porcelain? It is more like a scratched plastic platter.



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User currently offlineFlyby519 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1178 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6652 times:

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 8):
If I remember correctly, AA scaled down the original rebuild plans for T8. So does this mean that the main concourse can be expanded as AA grows or is there now some permanent structure blocking such an expansion? Google maps is not up to date for JFK. It would be awesome to have T8 at its maximum size.

One thing that I've always wondered is if there was any benefit to an airside connection between T8 and T7.

There is a lot of room for building on T8. I guess AA is waiting for things to turn around more than they have before continuing construction. I'd love to see an airside connection between T7 and T8, but I dont know how hard that would be since there are some roadways between the two.



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User currently onlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21681 posts, RR: 55
Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6638 times:

Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 1):
They would def need to finish it to full size.

They would, but it would be ideal for the sort of operation that DL has. And yes, of course, it's not going to happen.

Quoting incitatus (Reply 10):
Porcelain? It is more like a scratched plastic platter.

Scratched plastic? More like a soggy paper plate.

-Mir



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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5306 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6504 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 3):
AA also has the more prestigious routes such as three class service to LAX and SFO domestically as well as 5 daily 3 class 777 service to LHR, so it goes along with the more modern terminal facilities.

So now we're claiming that terminal facilities should be based upon the prestige of routes served from said terminal?   So based on your arbitrary and altogether silly paramaters, CO should immediately move out of the terminal C extension at EWR since they don't offer 3 class service on any route making their service less prestigious. And don't get me started on B6 and their brand new terminal from which they offer only one class service to such non-prestigious destinations as ROC and MCO.



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16885 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6453 times:

Quoting OA412 (Reply 13):
So now we're claiming that terminal facilities should be based upon the prestige of routes served from said terminal? So based on your arbitrary and altogether silly paramaters, CO should immediately move out of the terminal C extension at EWR since they don't offer 3 class service on any route making their service less prestigious. And don't get me started on B6 and their brand new terminal from which they offer only one class service to such non-prestigious destinations as ROC and MCO.

I'm just pointing out that AA has both the advantages of infrastructure on the ground as well as premium service in the air at JFK, DL has neither. Not sure what B6 or CO have to do with anything, since we are talking AA and DL at JFK.



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User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6667 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6437 times:

No way is AA giving up T8. They know how valuable that piece of real estate really is. I think DL makes do with what they have at T2/T3 but eventually will need a more modern spacious terminal. I suppose they can continue to rely on the international terminal for certain flights. Thats a pretty nice facility for DL to operate its premium routes out of. I'd predict once the merger gets even more smoothed out DL will consider knocking down the 2 old buildings stemming out of the former PAA rotunda and replace them with brand new facilities (emphasis on hoping they will keep the rotunda though!) By then DL should have a good idea as to what flying they will be concentrating on with the new slots out of LGA vs. international presence at JFK.

Only if DL had a clue back in 1999/2000 to not drastically expand BOS. What a waste that was.



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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5306 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6420 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 14):
I'm just pointing out that AA has both the advantages of infrastructure on the ground as well as premium service in the air at JFK, DL has neither. Not sure what B6 or CO have to do with anything, since we are talking AA and DL at JFK.

Oh please. This is one more in your long list of digs at DL. You claimed that newer terminal facilities are complemented by more prestigious routes. By your definition of prestigious, neither CO nor B6 fly any such routes from their newer terminal facilities, therefore, the terminal isn't complemented by the service offered.



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User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2369 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6383 times:

Quoting Flyby519 (Reply 11):
There is a lot of room for building on T8. I guess AA is waiting for things to turn around more than they have before continuing construction. I'd love to see an airside connection between T7 and T8, but I dont know how hard that would be since there are some roadways between the two.

Thats good to know about T8. I'd really like to see AA continue the expansion some day when the economy recovers.

A T8-T7 link would enhance the AA/BA JV by allowing seamless transfers at JFK. It would effectively create a OW mega-hub.

If they created a "Skylink" similiar to the one in DFW building a bridge over that expressway would be the desired method of crossing that expressway. It would be cheaper than digging underground as well.



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User currently offlineDaysleeper From UK - England, joined Dec 2009, 863 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6375 times:

Couldn't find the fantasy one  



Oh... Hypothetical........


User currently offlinem11stephen From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1247 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6338 times:

DL plans on expanding T4 and adding additional gates to it. Then they plan on demolishing T3 and renovating T2. I'll believe it when I see it lol.  


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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16885 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6246 times:

Quoting OA412 (Reply 17):
Oh please. This is one more in your long list of digs at DL. You claimed that newer terminal facilities are complemented by more prestigious routes. By your definition of prestigious, neither CO nor B6 fly any such routes from their newer terminal facilities, therefore, the terminal isn't complemented by the service offered.

Again we are talking about AA and DL at JFK, CO and B6 are not a party to this discussion



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User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2436 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6121 times:

Quoting mayor (Reply 9):
We already know where your loyalties lie.

Actually, I don't think you do. I fly Delta rather extensively (PM), have relatives in the company, and generally enjoy my travel with the Widget. I have a better upgrade rate on DL than I do with CO, and my experience with DL in BusinessElite has been fantastic. I just call them like I see them, and it's hard to argue that such aggrandizing nonsense is anything but absurd.


User currently offlineBOACCunard From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6064 times:

This fantasy is totally unrealistic, considering that DL never had access to the land T8 was built on, and has always been limited to a far more constrained site. Even if DL had the vision to build a terminal like this ten years ago, where would it have put it?

Quoting OA412 (Reply 17):
By your definition of prestigious, neither CO nor B6 fly any such routes from their newer terminal facilities, therefore, the terminal isn't complemented by the service offered.

This makes no sense. Because CO's and B6's new terminals are not complimented by "prestigious" services, AA's can't be?



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User currently offlinePC12Fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2453 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (4 years 5 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 5341 times:

Quoting BOACCunard (Reply 22):
This fantasy is totally unrealistic,

Ehh, you do understand what you just posted, right?



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User currently offlineAirport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (4 years 5 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5273 times:

The solution is obvious. Here's all you have to do...

-Close JFK
-Get everyone and everything valuable out of JFK
-Develop the world's largest conventional non-nuclear explosives in the world and use them to tear the airport down
-Film the explosions with IMAX cameras
-Film shots of Megan Fox in a bikini under a cold shower with IMAX cameras.
-Insert gratuitous product placement
-Insert a Dinosaurs vs. Transformers vs. RoboCop fight, because why not?
-Compile everything together, and unleash it into theatres.

The amount of money that would make could build 20 JFK airports and cure cancer! We can't afford NOT to do it!

Cheers!
Anthony/Airport


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