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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3130 posts, RR: 4
Posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Does anyone else think the magazine has gone downhill big time?


FLYi
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User currently offlineaerdingus From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 2818 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Yes. I've noticed the last few issues have all the same cover layout, some CEO in front of his aircraft. Can they not find a female CEO, or even just diversify the content? I've been meaning to write to them about that actually. They also seem a bit behind with stuff sometimes but I suppose it's just they way the magazine comes out. I still buy it for the interesting "old days" of aviation type articles.


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User currently offlineramzi From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 32767 times:

In the march edition on the very first page it says "Airbus Orders and Deliveries" with the Boeing orders and deliveries under it and vice versa. But this is not what disappoints me. It is rather that their reporting has gotten weaker and less stable. I e-mailed Tony Dixon about a particular subject and he could not disagree with me. I hope they get things together, they've gotten us used to expecting the best...


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User currently onlineUltimateDelta From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2093 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 32767 times:

I wouln't say it's bad, but the articles seem to have gotten awfully simplistic. That, and I'd like to read about something other than the next startup in Brazil or whatever. It could be a lot better.


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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3130 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting aerdingus (Reply 1):
I still buy it for the interesting "old days" of aviation type articles.

Me too, but it seems like these types of articles are becoming few and far between.

Quoting ramzi (Reply 2):

I think you are talking about "Airliner World", not "Airliners". At this point I think Airliner World is much better.



FLYi
User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7642 posts, RR: 36
Reply 5, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

I can't even remember the last time I picked up an Airliners magazine, must have been in 00 or 01 sometime.

Now, Airways is a magazine that went downhill back in the late 90s ... the editors just got too full of themselves and they really showed it in their responses to the Letters section. Not to mention how repetative the articles got. The only reason I kept buying the magazine was for Rick Drury's articles, but when he left that was it for me.

[Edited 2010-03-14 13:30:56]


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User currently offlineaerdingus From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 2818 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

I think Airways is the better of the two. I only started buying them back in 2005. There are good articles from the different pilots who contribute. There was also very interesting articles on IL-62'S and Iran Air recently.


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User currently offlineWESTERN737800 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 693 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 5):
I can't even remember the last time I picked up an Airliners magazine, must have been in 00 or 01 sometime.

Same here. They had it in a bookstore in a neighboring town around 99 or 00. I bought an issue here or there, they just don't seem to sell them anywhere around here. I'm sure I could find it on the internet, but I'm too lazy to do a search. I've purchased quite a few issues of Airways. With Anet, it seems like when I read something in a magazine that catches my eye newswise I remember reading it on Anet a couple weeks before I see it in the magazine. About the only time I get the magazines anymore is if they have a surplus of good pictures in them, gettin lazy I guess.



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User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7642 posts, RR: 36
Reply 8, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting WESTERN737800 (Reply 7):
With Anet, it seems like when I read something in a magazine that catches my eye newswise I remember reading it on Anet a couple weeks before I see it in the magazine. About the only time I get the magazines anymore is if they have a surplus of good pictures in them, gettin lazy I guess.

I don't think I've boughten an aviation magazine in a good 3 years ... I still browse through them, and as much as I enjoy Airliner World, its usually old stuff that we've read/discussed here already.



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User currently offlineJeremy From United States of America, joined May 2001, 668 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Yes, and Airways too.

I stopped my subscription to both a couple of years ago...



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User currently offlineCitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2425 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

In 2007 the issues were 80 pages. I just received my Jan/Feb 2010 Airliners issue. It has 48 pages. No airplane picture on the cover. Fewer pictures of airplanes and more photos of people. There are pictures of airplanes on only 23 of the 48 pages. Gone are the airplane liveries found in the Photos News section. I don't plan to renew my subscription.

.



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User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4002 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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Airways magazine has gone down the tubes. It seems they have it in really good with someone at AS as they always have articles about them. Everything seems very mainstream and nothing of note anymore.

Airlinerworld & Airportworld do a great job. Some months are better than others but I think that depends on where your intersted lie.


User currently offlineYULspotter From Canada, joined Mar 2006, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

I'm currently a subscriber and I agree that it appears to be going downhill. There have been quite a few departures of staff at the magazine over the last little while (as announced in the magazine itself). This is usually not a good sign.

In addition, my Jan/Feb 2010 issue arrived in mid-March while it normally should have arrived near the end of Jan. I had contacted them after February had come and gone without me receiving the magazine. They never got back to me but the magazine finally showed up last week. The Jan/Feb issue also appears to be one of the thinnest one yet.

It's also becoming increasingly difficult to find it in newsprint and magazine stores.

If things don't turn around soon, I have a feeling this magazine won't be around for much longer (I really hope not though).

YULspotter


User currently offlineAirbalticfan From United States of America, joined May 2008, 263 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (4 years 4 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

I did not renew my Airliners subscription for this year.I always liked Airways way better anyways.I do not think that Airways have gone downhill,I still love their articles and it is very "family"friendly magazine without a bunch of "tech/spec" and even my wife enjoy reading it!
Great job!


User currently offlinerolypolyman From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 4 months 22 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

As someone who writes for a non-aviation magazine I will say that times have gotten very tough for small traditional magazines over the past decade because of the rise of the Internet. This is especially true of aviation, where most subscribers are middle- to upper-class and have regular access to the Internet. For people accustomed to tons of realtime discussion on A.net, PPRUNE, etc, it's hard to embrace old-school magazines and that becomes increasingly true as we get used to all this new technology. The other problem too is that once subscriber numbers go down, then advertisers start bailing. This means that operating budgets diminish and you have an irreversible downward spiral.

What these magazines should have done from the beginning was to start cornering a place on the Internet and figuring out how to be a part of social networking... for example Airliners magazine could have bought out Airliners.net. If you look at what the Military Times has done with running a gigantic discussion board for servicemembers, that's a good long term move. Though I certainly admit a buyout is often not a good thing for a board if the buyer isn't intent on doing a good job shepherding their new acquisition.

[Edited 2010-03-30 13:45:24]

User currently offlineWESTERN737800 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 693 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting laca773 (Reply 11):
Airways magazine has gone down the tubes. It seems they have it in really good with someone at AS as they always have articles about them. Everything seems very mainstream and nothing of note anymore.

I've noticed this too. A while back I was going through my old Airways mags and it seemed like there was an article about AS every 2 or 3 issues. I like AS, but I would like to see articles about other airlines that I like too.



Bring back Western Airlines!
User currently offlinebrooklynchris13 From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 48 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Agreed on the decline of Airliners. It seemed to have lost is focus, and, simulataneously a lot of its physical size and content. I also agree that this has been a challenging period for "special" magazines, however the internet and growth in new media also offers the chance to promote your magazine to target groups using the same media.

I also write, but for fire service related magazines, and the internet is truly a double edged sword. If you put out a consistently quality profuct that meets the demands of your most loyal customers, then you have a base form which to expand and develop your product. If you loose those folks, however, (as often happens when magazines, airlines, and other entities fail) then you hasten the demise of something that people used to love. Sad to see this happen with Airliners, but it also seems to have occured concurrently with their change in publishers a few years ago.

Perhaps they will figure out a way to right the ship...



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User currently offlineMidway DC9-10 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 265 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 32767 times:

What I really loved about the old Airliners and Airways was their coverage stories of old airlines/airplanes. They would cover a story about a defunct airliners, and in the same article cover something in the present aviation scene. Plus, the photos were really sharp and precise in colors. I did notice a drop in quality for the photos for both magazines at one time. They both lost their creativity as well.

User currently offlinewinglets747 From Australia, joined Mar 2007, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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As an Airliners contributor, let me shed some slight on this matter and answer some of your questions.

In late December Airliners switched editors, publishers, and office locations. Any one of those by itself is a huge extra burden, but combined--and with a looming deadline and the December holidays--threw the production schedule off track.

The priority for the Jan/Feb edition was to get it out as quickly as possible as it was quite late. In terms of work required per page, the photo news section is quite high. A decision was made to forgo that section for the issue in order to get it out fast. Given the number of people who have commented on that section not being in the most recent issue, I think the editorial board would have re-considered that decision in hindsight. The section will come back.

Another issue is going off to the press shortly (shameless self-plug: I have an article in it). The editorial board is catching up, but it is hard as they are used to putting out one issue every two months and now have to speed that up.

From what I understand we are looking into some very promising web developments. Stay tuned.

Please let me know any comments, questions, or feedback you have. We really do value it and appreciate your readership. Hang in there.



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User currently offline444Pilot From Bahamas, joined Aug 2009, 20 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Are they still around :-0 ?

User currently offlinewireless615 From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 11 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

I purchase Airways & Airliners at Borders or Barnes & Noble, the last issue I purhcased was February 2010, today I vistied both stores, no copies were available, the clerk at Borders said "I heard they stopped publication." From a purchasers point of view the editorial board with readers best interests as well as the magazines reputation a brief article outlining upcoming publisihing changes and impact to the end user is a simple courtesy.

User currently offlineHBGDS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting rolypolyman (Reply 14):
As someone who writes for a non-aviation magazine I will say that times have gotten very tough for small traditional magazines over the past decade because of the rise of the Internet. This is especially true of aviation, where most subscribers are middle- to upper-class and have regular access to the Internet. For people accustomed to tons of realtime discussion on A.net, PPRUNE, etc, it's hard to embrace old-school magazines and that becomes increasingly true as we get used to all this new technology. The other problem too is that once subscriber numbers go down, then advertisers start bailing. This means that operating budgets diminish and you have an irreversible downward spiral.

I agree. The use of web-based discussions and info is also what killed the old standbys for MilAv (WIngs/Airpower). And this is not unique to Airlines/Airways. This is probably anathema on this list, but WWI Aero and its companion publication, Skyways (very good for early piston aviation) had to drop paper and go all pdf. It was the only way to survive when they experienced the rise in cost of printing. Two years back, I got my latest isue of Smithsonian Air&Space and was stunned to see the reduced numbers of pages, but also the shody paper quality; what kept me going back was the decent coverage beyond commercial aviation, just to keep abreast of what's going on. I still buy my mags and have a couple of subscriptions. Old habits from pre-internet days, but also, when there is no web access (rare, I concede), you can still get your info from the mags. sift screens instantly, instant reboot, and you can read it anywhere!  

Jokes aside, a bigger problem is that we all talk about this, but few of us contribute to the print publications. Granted, some editors are snotty, but if you have something solid to offer, they will consider it.


User currently offlinepsa188 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 506 posts, RR: 18
Reply 22, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting 444Pilot (Reply 19):
Another issue is going off to the press shortly (shameless self-plug: I have an article in it). The editorial board is catching up, but it is hard as they are used to putting out one issue every two months and now have to speed that up

This issue should be in the mail soon if not already. Like you said, December 2009 was a chaotic time for the magazine and they're still trying to get back on schedule.


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15719 posts, RR: 26
Reply 23, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting PITrules (Thread starter):
Does anyone else think the magazine has gone downhill big time?

It has definitely become more of an industry publication than enthusiast recently. Kinda like Airways meets Aviation Week. That is interesting in its own way, at least for me.

Quoting aerdingus (Reply 6):
I think Airways is the better of the two.

I agree.

Quoting laca773 (Reply 11):
It seems they have it in really good with someone at AS as they always have articles about them.

Yeah, but flying in Alaska is pretty interesting. It seems that the pilot that wrote those now flies for Air Pacific, which presents some of the same challenges but in a warmer climate. He seems to do a lot of homework though, which makes it more interesting and less repetitive. The same thing can be said for the QR pilot that writes for them.



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User currently offlinepsa188 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 506 posts, RR: 18
Reply 24, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting winglets747 (Reply 18):
Another issue is going off to the press shortly (shameless self-plug: I have an article in it). The editorial board is catching up, but it is hard as they are used to putting out one issue every two months and now have to speed that u

When I just got home from my vacation this afternoon, I found the new issue waiting in my mailbox. which article is yours?


User currently offlinewinglets747 From Australia, joined Mar 2007, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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Quoting psa188 (Reply 24):
When I just got home from my vacation this afternoon, I found the new issue waiting in my mailbox. which article is yours?

Hi Bill,
I'm Will Horton so the article on Eastar Jet is mine. In the past I've written about Jin Air, V Australia, Viva Macau, AirAsia X, Tiger Airways & the Going Green installments.

I hope my article is not of the style some users here have said they don't like. That said, if it is, please let us know your thoughts, what you like, what you don't like, what you do want to see, and anything else.

Without your feedback the editorial board is limited in what it thinks is good.

Losing photo news was a loss, but only a result of it being a lot of work per page for the editorial team. That said I'm very pleased to say we are (tentatively) bringing it back for the next edition. It won't be as big as it used to be, but we are working up to getting the section and the entire magazine to be bigger.

I'll pass on to the powers that be that you all would like articles on historical airlines. Am I right in saying you would like fewer people on the cover and more airplanes by themselves? Please do let us know.

Best regards,
Will



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User currently offlinepsa188 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 506 posts, RR: 18
Reply 26, posted (4 years 1 month 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting winglets747 (Reply 25):
Losing photo news was a loss, but only a result of it being a lot of work per page for the editorial team. That said I'm very pleased to say we are (tentatively) bringing it back for the next edition. It won't be as big as it used to be, but we are working up to getting the section and the entire magazine to be bigger.

I know for a fact that photo news is coming back. Also look for some excellent coverage of Emirates in the next issue.


User currently offlineaerdingus From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 2818 posts, RR: 15
Reply 27, posted (4 years 1 month 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting winglets747 (Reply 25):
Am I right in saying you would like fewer people on the cover and more airplanes by themselves?

Absolutely.

AK



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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3130 posts, RR: 4
Reply 28, posted (4 years 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting winglets747 (Reply 25):
I'll pass on to the powers that be that you all would like articles on historical airlines. Am I right in saying you would like fewer people on the cover and more airplanes by themselves? Please do let us know.

   No composite images in general would be nice.

Yes, more articles and photos of a historical nature would be good, plus airport profiles. Less of the Going Green (they beat that stuff to death) type articles, which are readily available in publications such as ATW (which is free)



FLYi
User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7453 posts, RR: 7
Reply 29, posted (4 years 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting HBGDS (Reply 21):
The use of web-based discussions and info is also what killed the old standbys

True,but I have a stack on Airplane mags for 'toilette reading'  



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User currently offlineAERDINGUS From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 2818 posts, RR: 15
Reply 30, posted (4 years 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Or more about women in aviation. It always seems to be fellas in suits on the cover.

Thanks



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User currently offlinepsa188 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 506 posts, RR: 18
Reply 31, posted (4 years 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 32767 times:

More in-depth airport articles would be nice. Oh, that's right, I'm working on one.

User currently offlinewn700driver From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 32, posted (4 years 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting rolypolyman (Reply 14):
As someone who writes for a non-aviation magazine I will say that times have gotten very tough for small traditional magazines over the past decade because of the rise of the Internet. This is especially true of aviation, where most subscribers are middle- to upper-class and have regular access to the Internet. For people accustomed to tons of realtime discussion on A.net, PPRUNE, etc, it's hard to embrace old-school magazines and that becomes increasingly true as we get used to all this new technology.

True, true. But, my bathroom still doesn't have the internet, so there is still room in my life for Airliners, Airways, & Airliner World...


User currently offlineAERDINGUS From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 2818 posts, RR: 15
Reply 33, posted (4 years 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting wn700driver (Reply 32):
True, true. But, my bathroom still doesn't have the internet, so there is still room in my life for Airliners, Airways, & Airliner World...

Ha ha brilliant, so true, must get a magazine rack for them all!



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User currently offlinemtnwest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2428 posts, RR: 1
Reply 34, posted (3 years 12 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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My first Airliners purchase was the Fall '90 edition, and Airways in 1195. I never subscribed to Airliners, but did the other. I would, however, get it at the bookstore when I saw it.
After years of subscribing, it got to the point of repetition, or cutting some of the parts I liked. So eventually, just didn't renew the subscription.
The last few times I have gone to bookstore, nary a sign of Airliners, and I still buy the Airways mag when it comes out, and I happen to cruise to the store.
I still enjoy pulling them off the shelf and thumbing thru them. Seems most often when i am trying to locate a fact or article I KNOW is in one of them, and spend hours trying to locate it LOL.
Some of my fav things are storiea about lesser known or smaller airlines, historical stories about airlines and airports, and of course pics of aircraft. However ( in the minority here I am sure) get tired of seeing the endless parade of specialty schemes that seem to prevail out there these days. Can't wait to see the airline that their whole fleet is a different scheme ( a la Western Pacific lol).
Anyway, I would like to see an article chronicaling the vast rise ( and fall) of the independant commuter airlines aroumd the nation in late 70s early 80s prior to codeshare whoring. I dlove to read about Mississsippi Valley, Air Illinois, Mountai n West (obviously  ) Cochise, etc. I guess this goes back to my love of the old Commuter Air magazine that used to be around 30 years ago.



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User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2214 posts, RR: 8
Reply 35, posted (3 years 12 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting mtnwest1979 (Reply 34):
Anyway, I would like to see an article chronicaling the vast rise ( and fall) of the independant commuter airlines aroumd the nation in late 70s early 80s prior to codeshare whoring. I dlove to read about Mississsippi Valley, Air Illinois, Mountai n West (obviously ) Cochise, etc. I guess this goes back to my love of the old Commuter Air magazine that used to be around 30 years ago.

Fifteen years ago, R.E.G. Davies and I.E. Quastler wrote an entire book about this, "Commuter Airlines of the United States".

The book has three parts. Part I is a 150 page history of the commuter airlines from their inception to 1995. Part II is about 100 pages; it has 2-3 page profiles of two dozen men who founded commuter airlines. Part III is about 250 pages long; it has a history of how commuter airlines developed in every region of the USA, and has tables with basic information (date founded, fleet, cities served) about EVERY commuter airline in the USA.

This book is out of print, but it's not hard to find on line. It's an INCREDIBLE book - if you are interested in the commuter airline industry, I cannot recommend it highly enough!!!!!!!



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User currently offlinepsa188 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 506 posts, RR: 18
Reply 36, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Well the new issue is out. I'd say it's the best one since ownership changed about three issues ago.

User currently onlinerampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3105 posts, RR: 6
Reply 37, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Funny this topic came up, as I was thinking the same. I agree that Airliners seems to be going more industry and less enthusiast, and it just doesn't interest me as much. I still have the subscription, however... for now.

Quoting mtnwest1979 (Reply 34):
I dlove to read about Mississsippi Valley, Air Illinois, Mountai n West (obviously ) Cochise, etc. I guess this goes back to my love of the old Commuter Air magazine that used to be around 30 years ago.

An A.net member, AccessAir (one of my respected users!), did write articles on MVA, Britt, and Air Illinois in Airways, IIRC. They were good reads. I agree, I'd love to hear about the other airlines you and I remember, including Mountain West, Rocky Mountain, Aspen, Key, Pioneer, etc.

Quoting WESTERN737800 (Reply 15):
I've noticed this too. A while back I was going through my old Airways mags and it seemed like there was an article about AS every 2 or 3 issues. I like AS, but I would like to see articles about other airlines that I like too.

If you are refering to articles Mac Auf'Ur (I think I got that right), he's a regular contributor. He flew for AS, so naturally that is his frame of reference. He also flew for Frontier, which sometimes appears in stories. Personally, I love his articles, and look forward to them. Other regular authors do this as well, I don't mind.

-Rampart


User currently offlinepsa188 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 506 posts, RR: 18
Reply 38, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting rampart (Reply 37):
I agree that Airliners seems to be going more industry and less enthusiast, and it just doesn't interest me as much.

Although this is undeniable, I hope you'll have a look at the latest issue. I think that they're trying to strike more of a balance. Photo news is back, and there's an excellent piece on the restored EA DC-7. There is also a historical article on the SAAB Scandia.

But I don't think that the magazine would have survived this long if it had remained as a strictly hobby publication like it was in the 1990s. There are not enough "foamer" advertisers to continue to support the magazine. Lots of enthusiast activity has migrated to the internet, as the success of this site indicates.


User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3130 posts, RR: 4
Reply 39, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Just received the latest issue (a couple weeks late it seems based on the last few replies).

MUCH improved; as long as it stays that way I'll keep subscribing. I hope the Reaching Back column returns



FLYi
User currently offlineisitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 40, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Its gone downhill so much I canceled last year.
Airways is getting better. They used to hom in the foreign carriers(non USA) but have changed a bit.
I now enjoy Airways mag.
safe



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User currently offlineaerdingus From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 2818 posts, RR: 15
Reply 41, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting isitsafenow (Reply 40):
Airways is getting better. They used to hom in the foreign carriers(non USA) but have changed a bit.
I now enjoy Airways mag.

Me too. Just got my new copy the other day, & have to say it was an improvement on top of the already good standard from them. Seems like they're getting new writers too, alongside the favourites, so it's a good mix.



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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 42, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting PITrules (Reply 39):
Just received the latest issue (a couple weeks late it seems based on the last few replies).

Where did you get it? I can't find it anywhere at Barnes & Noble or Borders. Too bad Reaching Back is gone. I loved Dave Nichols' columns. They were just about the first thing I'd read in each magazine.



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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3130 posts, RR: 4
Reply 43, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 42):
Where did you get it? I can't find it anywhere at Barnes & Noble or Borders. Too bad Reaching Back is gone. I loved Dave Nichols' columns. They were just about the first thing I'd read in each magazine.

I'm a subscriber so got it in the mail. Reaching Back was not in the latest issue, however I just checked in the front of the issue where it lists the names of the editors, publishers, columnists, etc and Dave Nichols' name was still listed as one of three columnists, so hopefully he will be included in the future. He has some great stories to tell



FLYi
User currently offlinedoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3401 posts, RR: 3
Reply 44, posted (3 years 10 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 35):
This book is out of print, but it's not hard to find on line. It's an INCREDIBLE book - if you are interested in the commuter airline industry, I cannot recommend it highly enough!!!!!!!

Wow, I ordered this book online after reading this, and I can't put it down! This is exactly the kind of esoteric stuff I used to read Airliners for. I can log on to this site and get up to date info about orders, routes, new schemes, etc. This kind of detailed research is the type of content I am willing to pay for.



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User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7453 posts, RR: 7
Reply 45, posted (3 years 10 months 23 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting wn700driver (Reply 32):
True, true. But, my bathroom still doesn't have the internet, so there is still room in my life for Airliners, Airways, & Airliner World...

I know! I have a big 'ol stack on the back of my toilette . Take them when I go spotting @ the airport,too.



'Empathy was yesterday...Today, you're wasting my Mother-F'ing time' - Heat.
User currently offlinepsa188 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 506 posts, RR: 18
Reply 46, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 32767 times:

The new issue of Airliners is reported to be off the press and in the mail to subscribers. Has anybody received their copy yet?

User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3130 posts, RR: 4
Reply 47, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting psa188 (Reply 46):
The new issue of Airliners is reported to be off the press and in the mail to subscribers. Has anybody received their copy yet?

I just received mine; yet another editor change and yet another disappointment. This time its having articles/coverage which does not feature commercial aviation, such as pieces on:

-National Naval Aviation Museum
-A travel narrative on Bhutan
-"The Building of Trust in a Multicultural Management Relationship." While this can be applied to airlines, the article is generic and does not even use the airline industry as an example
-military items in a review on Farnborough.

Plus yet another feature on the EA DC-7. The 3rd article in as many issues. While it is a great story which should be told, its now overkill for this magazine. Also, composite photos continue to be a part of the magazine, including cover photo.

[Edited 2010-11-17 18:09:40]


FLYi
User currently offlinepsa188 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 506 posts, RR: 18
Reply 48, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 32767 times:

Thanks for the update. At least there was a good article on SJC.

User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3802 posts, RR: 29
Reply 49, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Seems like both Airliners and Airways came to the point somewhere around the late '90s - early '00s of "grasping at straws" for articles of interest to airline/airliner history buffs like me...even the more contemporary news has, at least to me, tended to become largely focused on "so what?" subjects.

All of which is why I allowed my subscriptions to lapse long ago...whenever I see the covers of either or both (at newstands)showing the featured stories, I haven't been disappointed that I didn't renew.


User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3130 posts, RR: 4
Reply 50, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 49):
Seems like both Airliners and Airways came to the point somewhere around the late '90s - early '00s of "grasping at straws" for articles of interest to airline/airliner history buffs like me

I love Airways because it has always been geared toward the airline history buff, even if that meant having 'current' profiles. For example the current issue has a 10 page article on the Coronado jets. Perhaps its not perfect, but I will admit the magazine has been very consistent in its mission, perhaps because it has had the same editor since day one almost 20 years ago.

Airliners OTOH... I dunno whats going on there.



FLYi
User currently offlinepsa188 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 506 posts, RR: 18
Reply 51, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting PITrules (Reply 50):
For example the current issue has a 10 page article on the Coronado jets

I have not seen this yet, but I look forward to reading it. Did Convair expert Jon Proctor write this? he did the book published by World Transport Press a decade or so ago which remains the definitive work.

Meanwhile, there's no doubt Airliners is hitting a rough patch recently. At least they've restored "photo news" and published a good series of articles on Emirates.


User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3130 posts, RR: 4
Reply 52, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting psa188 (Reply 51):
I have not seen this yet, but I look forward to reading it. Did Convair expert Jon Proctor write this? he did the book published by World Transport Press a decade or so ago which remains the definitive work.

No Jon Proctor didn't write it. But still a great article with lots of good pics



FLYi
User currently offlineLoveJT8D From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 55 posts, RR: 1
Reply 53, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

If this is the same Airliners magazine that I used to purchase when I was a kid back in 1995, it has seemed very tough to come by lately. I've been on quite a few trips during this year, and have been hard pressed to find an "Airliners" related magazine in the airport book stores. The only aviation related magazine I found on my most recent trip was Flying Magazine at a book store in MSP. I guess it was a good thing I held on to most of my previous Airliners Magazine purchases.

User currently offlinepsa188 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 506 posts, RR: 18
Reply 54, posted (3 years 8 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting PITrules (Reply 47):

I just received mine; yet another editor change and yet another disappointment. This time its having articles/coverage which does not feature commercial aviation, such as pieces on:

-National Naval Aviation Museum
-A travel narrative on Bhutan
-"The Building of Trust in a Multicultural Management Relationship." While this can be applied to airlines, the article is generic and does not even use the airline industry as an example
-military items in a review on Farnborough.

Plus yet another feature on the EA DC-7. The 3rd article in as many issues. While it is a great story which should be told, its now overkill for this magazine. Also, composite photos continue to be a part of the magazine, including cover photo.

Well, I finally got the magazine. You've got a point about the Bhutan article, which would be a better fit in a travel magazine or a Sunday travel supplement. The Building Trust bit is more appropriate for a general management text.

But considering the high percentage of military aircraft at Farnborough, I don't think Airliners was out of line publishing some token photos on the subject, especially, the A400M which, as a transport, always has potential to show up in airline colors someday like the C130/L100 did. Overall, the Farnborough coverage was slanted towards commercial aviation. I'm also willing to cut them some slack on the Pensacola bit, because they tied the Naval museum to the coverage of the new Gulf Coast Regional Airport.

You also have a point regarding the Eastern DC-7, but at least it is on-topic for what Airliners is supposed to be covering.

The control tower and UA/CO merger articles are in line with the magazine's mission, although the merger article appears to have been written before the merger was a done deal. At least they used a contemporary photo, and not a stale image from the company's web site.

Personally, I hate composite photos. However, Airways used to publish Lawrence Feir's composite covers all the time and nobody complained until Feir posted some of the images on a.net whose rules specifically prohibit them. At least Airliners is honest in identifying them in the caption credits.

Finally don't forget photo news, SJC and "Mr. Pacific" features are spot-on with this magazine's mission.

[Edited 2010-11-27 09:54:08]

User currently offlinepsa188 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 506 posts, RR: 18
Reply 55, posted (3 years 7 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 32767 times:

Airliners is about to publish a big "double issue" which is supposed to help them get back on schedule. It should have a little something for everyone, including a history of SJC that I co-wrote. The magazine should be out soon.

User currently offline797 From Venezuela, joined Aug 2005, 1891 posts, RR: 27
Reply 56, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Hello everyone,

Just to give you all a heads up, Dave Nichols is back in the magazine with his "Reaching Back" column.

Here's the cover page of the new double issue:



The magazine is indeed a double issue with over 128 pages of content...

Let's see how it goes!

Cheers

797



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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3130 posts, RR: 4
Reply 57, posted (3 years 6 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Much improved! I hope it stays that way and they don't try to fix what's not broken again.


FLYi
User currently offlineholidaycharter From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 199 posts, RR: 0
Reply 58, posted (3 years 6 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

I have received the latest issue of Airliners and once again is a huge dissapointment I will probably be canceling my subscription and going Airways maybe although I will stay subscribed to Airports of the world as I like this publication.

User currently offlinepsa188 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 506 posts, RR: 18
Reply 59, posted (3 years 6 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting holidaycharter (Reply 58):
I have received the latest issue of Airliners and once again is a huge dissapointment I will probably be canceling my subscription

Before you cxl, why not try writing to them and letting them know what you think is wrong?

Quoting PITrules (Reply 57):
Much improved! I hope it stays that way and they don't try to fix what's not broken again.

I agree with PITrules; the magazine has been showing improvement over the last couple of issues. I hope they can keep it up...


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 60, posted (3 years 6 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

I had subscriptions to Airliners not long after they started....and Airways since day one. I dropped both a few years back when I was finding both would have nearly the same stories. I still have a closet full of old mags as I saved everyone I got


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User currently onlineUltimateDelta From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2093 posts, RR: 6
Reply 61, posted (3 years 6 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting 797 (Reply 56):
Just to give you all a heads up, Dave Nichols is back in the magazine with his "Reaching Back" column.

That just about made my day when I got mine.

I still think the articles are slightly simplistic (there are a few really good ones sprinkled in there, though), but it is definitely a vast improvement over the past few months' issues. I guess the one thing I'm still a little undecided about are the travel narratives. Yes, they can be interesting, but I'm guessing they're not why people would go to Airliners (Travel + Leisure, maybe). Other than that, though, I think it's definitely on the way up.



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User currently offlinepsa188 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 506 posts, RR: 18
Reply 62, posted (3 years 6 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting UltimateDelta (Reply 61):
I guess the one thing I'm still a little undecided about are the travel narratives.

I sort of agree with you, but in the current issue there is a page on Istanbul which fits in well with the Turkish Airlines coverage.


User currently offlinedreamflight From Belgium, joined Jan 2005, 153 posts, RR: 5
Reply 63, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Any update about the current situation?


I feel the need for airspeed
User currently offlinepsa188 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 506 posts, RR: 18
Reply 64, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting dreamflight (Reply 63):
Any update about the current situation?

My understanding is that the latest issue is off to press.


User currently offlineBrick From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1579 posts, RR: 7
Reply 65, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

I too have been thinking lately about whether or not to renew subscriptions to Airways and Airliners. I have all issues of both magazines from 1998 until the current one. They are taking up a lot of space and I'm getting pressure from the spouse about getting rid of all of them. To be honest, I have only gone through them one time in the past to find a specific article (why the black triangle in the cabins of A319/A320's). I would hate to get rid of them all considering how I used to really get excited when I would find one in the mailbox, but they are just taking up a lot of space right now.

One thing that might convince me to keep all of the back issues is if an index existed. Does anyone have an index for these two magazines? I would be more inclined to pull a few back issues for re-reading, but it is next to impossible to find articles on specific subject matters in either magazine.



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User currently offlineAirbalticfan From United States of America, joined May 2008, 263 posts, RR: 2
Reply 66, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

I think it all depends on what you would like to see in a good aviation magazine. I love Airways, but I am not sure about the Airliners....the latest "double" issue was a big step in a right direction, however I found that somehow it is hard to read articles on Airliners. I think that the layout could be done in the way Airways does it, it seems like the whole article on Airliners is compressed together and it's a big mess.
Also, it is true that the articles in Airways and Airliners often duplicate each other or at least it seems that way.For example both magazines all of sudden decided to go over Chinese airlines...hmmmmm...smells fishy!  )
I still subscribe to both of them as $28 or so for Airliners is not a big money at all....

[Edited 2011-04-19 16:26:39]

User currently offlinepsa188 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 506 posts, RR: 18
Reply 67, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Brick (Reply 65):

One thing that might convince me to keep all of the back issues is if an index existed.

Here is the index for Airways:
http://www.airwaysmag.com/att.html?type=view&article_id=205&junk=.pdf

I'm not aware of an index for Airliners. They are struggling with the change in ownership although as someone said the last issue was a step in the right direction.


User currently offlinepsa188 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 506 posts, RR: 18
Reply 68, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting psa188 (Reply 67):
Here is the index for Airways:

Oops, my bad.

That link was only for a year. This page has all the links:
http://www.airwaysmag.com/channels.html?channel_id=40


User currently onlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12408 posts, RR: 37
Reply 69, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

I like all three of the major aviation magazines; I haven't seen Airliners in a while and had thought that it had, quite literally, gone down the tubes; glad to see it hasn't. We can criticise the magazines as much as we want, but let's not forget that a huge amount of work goes into them, and let's not forget, no small amount of stress and at the end of the day, they service our hobby and I'm grateful to all three of them.

Airways is my favourite of the three, but in saying this, I must confess a bias, because I used to write for Airways many years ago. I would not agree at all that Airways has gone down the tubes; indeed, they have produced many articles recently which have been very good - for article on the BOAC 707s is one which comes to mind. but there are many more. I like the flight reports (service quality) and I enjoy Clayton Taylor, although I miss Rick Drury, who wrote some superb articles on MD11 operations.

Airliner World has come on very much in recent years; they had some quality control issues early on and these have been sorted out; I find it hugely enjoyable.

Well done and good luck to all three, and to the many others which contribute to our interests - Flight, Aircraft Illustrated, Aeroplane Monthly (for vintage aircraft, but some great articles nonetheless) and quite a few others. Keep up the good work!


User currently offlinepsa188 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 506 posts, RR: 18
Reply 70, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 69):
We can criticise the magazines as much as we want, but let's not forget that a huge amount of work goes into them, and let's not forget, no small amount of stress and at the end of the day, they service our hobby and I'm grateful to all three of them.

This is a good point and I'm glad you wrote it.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 69):
Airliner World has come on very much in recent years; they had some quality control issues early on and these have been sorted out; I find it hugely enjoyable.

I remember seeing an example of which you speak back when AW started. Truthfully, it didn't make me want to subscribe at the time. I'm glad the magazine's improving-the main reasons I don't read it are its USA costs and the fact that I already read a full plate of aviation and railway magazines.


User currently offlineAirbalticfan From United States of America, joined May 2008, 263 posts, RR: 2
Reply 71, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 69):
I enjoy Clayton Taylor

He is my fav writer for sure!  


User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2214 posts, RR: 8
Reply 72, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Two other excellent magazines that are subscription only, at least in the USA, are World Airline Fleets News and Propliner.

World Airline Fleets News has the best photography of any of the airline magazines, and it also has news items about smaller airlines that don't get much attention from Airways, Airliners, and Airliner World (or Air Transport World and Airline Business, for that matter). When I was researching histories of Bahamasair and Winair for Airways, I was able to find more information about these airlines from World Airline Fleets News than from any other magazine.

The only problem with World Airline Fleets News is that it usually arrives very late. I just received the February issue this week.

Propliner can best be described as the "single malt scotch" of airline magazines. It has long, detailed articles about the airline industry in the 1940s and 1950s, and stories about trips to obscure corners of the world to fly on rare propeller driven aircraft. It has a relatively small, but fanatically loyal, subscriber base that is glad to pay $10 / issue for its unique content.

I think there is a niche for another magazine, a "jet age Propliner" that would focus on the airline industry in the 1960s and 1970s. Airways Classics comes closest to filling this niche. I hope at some point Airways Classics starts being published on a quarterly basis, instead of just once a year.



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User currently offlinepsa188 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 506 posts, RR: 18
Reply 73, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 72):
World Airline Fleets News has the best photography of any of the airline magazines, and it also has news items about smaller airlines that don't get much attention from Airways, Airliners, and Airliner World (or Air Transport World and Airline Business, for that matter).

This is undeniably true. WAFN is so stuffed with information that it's difficult to absorb on a monthly basis. If anyone wants to peruse back issues, I donated mine to the San Francisco Airport Commission Aviation Library and Louis A. Turpen Aviation Museum. You can make an appointment to go in and read any publication in the collection.


User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2214 posts, RR: 8
Reply 74, posted (3 years 3 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

My copy of the June issue of Airways arrived yesterday.

It looks like Dave Nichols has switched from Airliners to Airways; he has a wonderful article about an imaginary coast to coast trip in 1964 on local service airlines in the June issue of Airways.

The magazine is worth buying for Jon Proctor's photo of an Allegheny Martin 202 at DTW alone!



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User currently offlinepsa188 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 506 posts, RR: 18
Reply 75, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 69):
I like all three of the major aviation magazines; I haven't seen Airliners in a while and had thought that it had, quite literally, gone down the tubes; glad to see it hasn't.

Following up, Airliners is now Airliners & Airports. The latest issue should be out soon, if it is not already. The issue after that should have some coverage of SFO's Central Terminal reopening.


User currently offlineAirbalticfan From United States of America, joined May 2008, 263 posts, RR: 2
Reply 76, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting psa188 (Reply 75):
Following up, Airliners is now Airliners & Airports.

Hmmm, that is a nice twist! Whishing them all the best!


User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6133 posts, RR: 30
Reply 77, posted (3 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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In my opinion, the best of the three is Airliner World. Fortunately there is one place here in MTY where I can get it. It has the best photography and the best aritcles. Unfortunatley it is too expensive so I usually peruse it at the bookstore and if there is something particularly interesting I will fork over the $25 USD each issue is worth here.

Arliners is unavailable in Mexico and has been for a few months. You can suscribe to it but the subscription price to Mexico is laughable. Too bad, as they had a goood readership here..but the last issues I got were crap so I don´tmiss them that much.

The one I buy regularly, is Airways. It is decent enough, altought I question where they get the sponsorship because sometimes they write about airlines and basically do not tell the truth about them. I don´t thinlk that´s ethical. But, times are hard and the quality has been going down over the years. But the articles they have written by pilots are the best. I hope they manage to stay in business.



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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 78, posted (3 years 2 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 74):
It looks like Dave Nichols has switched from Airliners to Airways; he has a wonderful article about an imaginary coast to coast trip in 1964 on local service airlines in the June issue of Airways.

The magazine is worth buying for Jon Proctor's photo of an Allegheny Martin 202 at DTW alone!

I just read the mag tonight at my local Barnes & Noble. Can't seem to find Airliners (or Airlines & Airports) anywhere right now. Is it just subscription only?



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User currently offlinepsa188 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 506 posts, RR: 18
Reply 79, posted (3 years 2 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 78):
Can't seem to find Airliners (or Airlines & Airports) anywhere right now. Is it just subscription only?

According to their Facebook page, Airliners & Airports is subscription-only at the moment although they sell back issues on the http://www.airliners.tv/ website.

The latest issue is late due to financial reasons, but it is supposed to be in the mail as I write this. When you go to the website, the image of the latest issue comes up.

BH


User currently offlinen471wn From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1516 posts, RR: 2
Reply 80, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Can anyone tell me if World Airline Fleet News is still bing published?

User currently offlinedstc47 From Ireland, joined Sep 1999, 1462 posts, RR: 3
Reply 81, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 72):
Propliner can best be described as the "single malt scotch" of airline magazines

A lovely description of a great magazine, if you like this period then this is a magazine worth ordering.

As others have said, many small circulation magazines are in trouble, like many non profit societies, and rely on the efforts of a very small number of persons to bring them out. Hard to avoid the downward spiral of cuts, reduced distribution, further falls in circulation.


User currently offlinepsa188 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 506 posts, RR: 18
Reply 82, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting n471wn (Reply 80):
Can anyone tell me if World Airline Fleet News is still bing published?

it is, as far as I can tell:
http://www.wafnews.com/


User currently offlinemusang From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2001, 861 posts, RR: 7
Reply 83, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

I haven't read the entire thread but in case its not mentioned yet, a new mag published in the UK (issue 6 is imminent) is Jets Monthly. Approx half and half commercial and military, the emphasis is on the aircraft themselves. Recent articles include flying 727s for Dan Air, the BAe 146/RJ, Court Line, Laker.

I recommend.

Regards - musang


User currently offlinepsa188 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 506 posts, RR: 18
Reply 84, posted (3 years 1 month 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 32767 times:

If any Airliners subscribers are still reading this thread, can they post a reply to the question "have you got your latest issue?" I'm told it has gone out but some folks have said they have not seen it yet.

User currently onlineUltimateDelta From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2093 posts, RR: 6
Reply 85, posted (3 years 1 month 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting psa188 (Reply 84):
If any Airliners subscribers are still reading this thread, can they post a reply to the question "have you got your latest issue?"

Unfortunately, no I haven't.



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User currently offlinegoblin211 From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 86, posted (3 years 1 month 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Airliner's magazine is terrible! Everything's late and I already have heard about it on here! Why am I wasting money to find out info I can easily find on here?


From the airport with love
User currently offlinepsa188 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 506 posts, RR: 18
Reply 87, posted (3 years 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting goblin211 (Reply 86):
Airliner's magazine is terrible! Everything's late and I already have heard about it on here! Why am I wasting money to find out info I can easily find on here?

With a recent change in ownership, the current people have their hands full. Lots of magazines, not just in transportation, just are not making it. I hope Airliners can hold on, I just heard that their latest issue went to press last week.


User currently offlinepsa188 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 506 posts, RR: 18
Reply 88, posted (3 years 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

The new (June 2011) issue of Airliners is out, complete with coverage of the reopening of SFO's Central Terminal.

User currently offlineDelboy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 725 posts, RR: 0
Reply 89, posted (3 years 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

I haven't seen a copy of this magazine for well over a year now. I always looked out for it at WH Smiths but I was told that it had 'gone under'.

Does anyone know where you can get a copy in the UK?

I don't want to subscribe but an idea of where I might be able to pick a copy up in a shop would be helpful.


User currently offlinepsa188 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 506 posts, RR: 18
Reply 90, posted (3 years 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Delboy (Reply 89):
I don't want to subscribe but an idea of where I might be able to pick a copy up in a shop would be helpful.

Unfortunately, I can't help you. A while ago they made the decision to cut newsstand sales. They basically lack good back-office support. At the very least, they need someone who operates a sale table at the airline memorabilia shows to buy a stack of magazines at wholesale and sell them.

For those who subscribe, hopefully you've got the latest issue by now.


User currently online727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6410 posts, RR: 17
Reply 91, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 32634 times:

I haven't seen it on the newstands in awhile. Where can I get a copy now?


Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
User currently offlinepsa188 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 506 posts, RR: 18
Reply 92, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 32485 times:

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 91):
Where can I get a copy now?

Unfortunately, with the recent change in ownership and a cash-flow crisis, they've eliminated newsstand distribution. The best bet is to go to www.airliners.tv and place a subscription. You can also visit their facebook page or call Robert at 305-408-0531.


User currently offlineCitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2425 posts, RR: 3
Reply 93, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 32449 times:

Quoting psa188 (Reply 88):
The new (June 2011) issue of Airliners is out, complete with coverage of the reopening of SFO's Central Terminal.

I just received my June 2011 issue in the mail today, August 11, 2011. For my other magazine subscriptions I am now receiving September issues, but for Airliner's it is two months past the cover date.



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User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2214 posts, RR: 8
Reply 94, posted (2 years 9 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 29992 times:

My copy of Airliners' latest issue (#130) arrived last week, and, sadly, it is by far their worst issue ever.

Many of the articles appear to have been ghost written by the corporate communications departments of Airliners' advertisers. Other than articles about spotting at ZRH and MIA, there is very little for the airline enthusiasts that have supported the magazine for so long. Even Dave Nichols' column no longer appears in the magazine.

If future issues continue to be this bad, I can't imagine why anyone would pay money for Airliners any more.



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User currently offlineCitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2425 posts, RR: 3
Reply 95, posted (2 years 9 months 2 hours ago) and read 29930 times:

My copy of Airliners' issue #130 came this week. I would have to agree it is the worst issue that I have ever received. Not many airplane pictures. Forty some pages long.

I don't think I will renew my subscription when it expires shortly.



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User currently offlineDelboy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 725 posts, RR: 0
Reply 96, posted (2 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 29866 times:

I'm in the Uk and haven't seen a copy of Airliners for well over 12 months.

WH Smiths used to stock it but don't anymore. I really like Airliner World and I also get Airways but I think that's starting to go downhill a bit.


User currently offlineBabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 97, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 29259 times:

Quoting Delboy (Reply 96):
I'm in the Uk and haven't seen a copy of Airliners for well over 12 months.

My local WH Smiths stock them and I'm in London.

I don't buy it as it has too many photos and not enough analysis. I'd like a few more facts and figures about new start-ups in Brazil.  


User currently offlineDelboy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 725 posts, RR: 0
Reply 98, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 29215 times:

Quoting Babybus (Reply 97):

That's interesting. WH Smiths in Cambridge checked the 'master' computer and told me that they (WH Smiths, not just the Cambridge branch) didn't carry that title anymore.


User currently offlineAirbalticfan From United States of America, joined May 2008, 263 posts, RR: 2
Reply 99, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 29119 times:

Gave up on Airliners about 6 month ago, that magazine has turned in to a garbage, too sad though.....
I read Airways ( very cool magazine ) , Flying and Airliner World and Airports, that is more than enough for me to be up to date!


User currently offlineNorthwest727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 491 posts, RR: 1
Reply 100, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 29002 times:

I agree, that their quality went downhill fast. They eliminated my humorous "tail pieces" section, the magazine became shorter, and their in-depth analysis of airplanes and airlines became pretty poor quality. After subscribing to them for the past 15 years, I let my subscription expire back in July. I don't intend on getting my subscription back, unless, they change their ways. Now that I just purchased an iPhone, and that it has the "Newsstand" app, I noticed Airliner World has a digital subscription I just bought. Sad to see that Airliner World was what Airliners once was.

User currently offlinechrisco1204 From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 28 posts, RR: 0
Reply 101, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 27700 times:

Quoting PITrules (Thread starter):
Does anyone else think the magazine has gone downhill big time?

Yeah, I never pick up that magazine anymore. No good articles.


User currently onlinejwhite9185 From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 1254 posts, RR: 4
Reply 102, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 27061 times:

Used to subscribe years ago, but I've found that with the internet by the time the magazine came out i new most of the news anyway. Have a quick look at the preview version on the iPad now and again but not a regular buyer any more.


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User currently offlinealberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2911 posts, RR: 0
Reply 103, posted (2 years 6 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 26918 times:

Went to an aviation museum the other day and they had a huge table with old copies of Airways and Airliners and even Airliner World from the 90's in mint condition for a dollar each. Man the quality and content was fantastic.

But I have seen these magazines at Barnes and Noble that are pretty interesting. Anybody have an opinion on them ?




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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3130 posts, RR: 4
Reply 104, posted (2 years 6 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 26884 times:

Quoting alberchico (Reply 103):
Went to an aviation museum the other day and they had a huge table with old copies of Airways and Airliners and even Airliner World from the 90's in mint condition for a dollar each. Man the quality and content was fantastic.

Which museum is this? I'm missing a few issues of Airways; otherwise I have every issue of all three magazines in great condition. I'd like to complete the collection.



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User currently offlinealberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2911 posts, RR: 0
Reply 105, posted (2 years 6 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 26819 times:

http://www.cradleofaviation.org/

this one



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User currently offlineq120 From Canada, joined Aug 2008, 278 posts, RR: 0
Reply 106, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 25665 times:

At least im not the only one who thought of this. I have been an avid reader of this magazine since 1998 and have cancelled my order for it. Overall, dissapointing. I now purchase Airways, which is very good.


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User currently offlinemusang From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2001, 861 posts, RR: 7
Reply 107, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks ago) and read 25483 times:

Quoting alberchico (Reply 103):
But I have seen these magazines at Barnes and Noble that are pretty interesting. Anybody have an opinion on them ?

I highly recommend Jets Monthly. There's always commercial aviation in it, recent articles being PanAm, the 707, Court Line, recollections of flying the 727s with DanAir, the A320.

Also contains material on first generation jets, military and civil.

Regards - musang


User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2214 posts, RR: 8
Reply 108, posted (2 years 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 21066 times:

My copy of the latest (September 2012) issue of Airways arrived yesterday. The magazine has a long article by Dave Nichols about Allegheny's Martin 202 fleet, with several rare photos of AL 202s.

One of the best parts of Airliners was Dave Nichols' column; it looks like he's switched to Airways now.



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User currently offlineq120 From Canada, joined Aug 2008, 278 posts, RR: 0
Reply 109, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 18635 times:

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 108):
My copy of the latest (September 2012) issue of Airways arrived yesterday. The magazine has a long article by Dave Nichols about Allegheny's Martin 202 fleet, with several rare photos of AL 202s.

One of the best parts of Airliners was Dave Nichols' column; it looks like he's switched to Airways now.


I have that issue, great magazine overall.
One of the best articles I read was by Mark Berry on TWA 800. very tragic loss for him and he really wrote it so passionately I was moved, and that is a tough thing to do!



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User currently offlinealberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2911 posts, RR: 0
Reply 110, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 18631 times:

My biggest issue with Airliner World is not the content or quality but the price, being a Euro publication it costs almost twice as much as Airways magazine. The vast majority of civil aviation magazines being sold here in the states are published in the UK and as such the prices are horrendous. Airliner World has a sister publication called Airliner Classics that while costing almost $13 is about as close as we're going to get to the old Airliners magazine.....





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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3130 posts, RR: 4
Reply 111, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 15057 times:

I picked up a copy of this magazine on eBay:

http://i644.photobucket.com/albums/uu162/JDawgphoto/SCAN0002-1.jpg

I was surprised how good it is! No advertising, totally dedicated to commercial aviation (at least this issue), good pictures and airline/airliner profiles.

It is/was privately circulated within Exxon. I had never heard of it before, and surprised to see it was 50 years old in 1988. Anyone have any other copies, or know it it is still in circulation?



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User currently offlinealberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2911 posts, RR: 0
Reply 112, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 15031 times:

http://siris-archives.si.edu/ipac20/...pac.jsp?uri=full=3100001~!227508!0

It looks like publication stopped in 1991.



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User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2214 posts, RR: 8
Reply 113, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 15009 times:

In my mind, the all time best airline magazine was the original Airliners International, which was owned by Kalmbach (publisher of Model Railroader and Trains). There were only four issues published in 1973 / 74.

The final issue featured a trip from JFK to JNB on an Air India 747 to LHR, a BCal VC-10 LGW-Monrovia, a Liberian National DC-3 between Monrovia's two airports, a Ghana Airways F.28 from Monrovia to Accra, an Ethiopian 707 from Accra to Nairobi, and a BOAC 747 Nairobi-Johannesburg.

An even more extreme trip was in the first issue, a twelve day trip from ORD to ORD via (among others) Montreal, San Juan, Port au Prince, Miami, rural Georgia / North Carolina, and Philadelphia, on equipment as diverse as an American 747, Nordair DC-3, Eastern Airlines Lockheed Electra, Delta 880, Southern 404, and Piedmont YS-11.

These four magazines show up pretty regularly on Ebay. You will NOT regret buying them!



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