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Building B-1B Model - Need Help  
User currently offlineMidEx216 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 651 posts, RR: 4
Posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6559 times:

Hello all.

I recently picked up an old model that's been sitting in my basement for ages and decided to try it out again. There are two things I'd like help with, however.

First, what would be an effective way of masking off the cockpit canopy to paint it? I want to use tape, but I'm worried about that method because I don't think I can cut the right shape out, much less without scratching the clear plastic with the knife...

Second, the model I have (I believe it's 1/72 scale) comes with three variations of decals; two for Dyess AFB, Texas, and one for Ellsworth AFB, South Dakota. I'd like to use an Ellsworth scheme, however I don't like the set that comes with. Does anyone know of a place I can get another set of decals in this size?

Thanks for your help.


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User currently onlineUltimateDelta From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2111 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6517 times:

Well, I just finished working on a couple of models myself (with clear windows), and I found the best way to paint clear parts with frames (for me, at least) was to do it by hand. I don't know if you would feel comfortable doing this, but at least on mine, the frames were slightly raised, which made things easier. Or, if you want to use tape, put a single piece over the whole canopy and trace over the outlines of the windows. Then, you can cut out the pieces separately and stick them back in place (that might be a bit tricky, but 1/72 is a pretty decent size).

As far as decals go, I've had good luck with this company- http://www.beldecal.com/custom_decals.cfm
Their prices are really pretty good for what you get.

Hope this helps!



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User currently offlineMidEx216 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 651 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6496 times:

Quoting UltimateDelta (Reply 1):

Well, in comparison to the clear piece, the windows themselves are fairly small, so I wanted to spray paint. And I just don't trust my hand well enough to hand paint them. But I did come up with an idea to possibly trace the shape onto one piece of tape, then take it off and cut it onto another piece of tape so that I don't have to worry about scratching the glass or anything.

As for the decals, that's awesome. I'm definitely going to look into that one. Thanks very much!



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User currently offlineMidEx216 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 651 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6481 times:

Ugh, now looking I'm starting to think I might be taking on too big a task, printing out the decals myself. I like to have the highest realism possible... so I could put the "Symphony of Destruction" art on it like I want, but then I'd have to print a new reg number for the tail, and a new unit stripe for the tail (the one I have is all black), and the lines for the wings are greyish, when they should be black, so I'd have to change those... And now I'm looking at putting the mission marks on the gear door, and the reg on the gear leg just like in real life.

Any advice or encouragement?



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User currently onlineUltimateDelta From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2111 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6456 times:

Quoting MidEx216 (Reply 3):
Any advice or encouragement?

While it probably doesn't result in absolute realism, for the numbers and stripes (unit and wing ones), I suppose you could use declas you already have from other models that haven't been used. I was once building an F-117 that was missing the original decals, so I made a real USAF fleet number out of numbers left over from other models (I usually save the leftovers- they have proved to be really useful in several cases). It took a lot of careful cutting and aligning, but eventually I got it the way I wanted. I did the same thing with the unit stripes on the tail by cutting up the fuseelage decal from a TWA Constellation I hadn't used. If you don't have any others you can use, lemme think about it. I'll try to come up with something.



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User currently offlineMidEx216 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 651 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 6445 times:

Hmm...that would be something to think about...I could easily make a new reg number using that (if I have the right numbers). But in any case, the part that's bothering me the most is the walkway lines on the wings that should be black but are light grey. I can't make those quite so easily.. Same for the tail stripe. The one I have is all black, when in reality it should say Ellsworth in yellow, or just have....random yellowness in it.


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Oh, and being picky as I am, I don't have the correct squadron shield either. But I like your thinking. Maybe we can come up with something..



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User currently onlineUltimateDelta From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2111 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 6376 times:

Quoting MidEx216 (Reply 5):
Same for the tail stripe. The one I have is all black, when in reality it should say Ellsworth in yellow, or just have....random yellowness in it.

I guess for that, you could tape off a strip on the tail and paint it. At least at my local hobby store they have just about every paint color you can think of.



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User currently offlineMidEx216 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 651 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 6375 times:

Well I've been looking around... The company in the link above are a bust. They're around, but whenever I try to call them, there's nobody to answer. But I found a new group that has decals for various models including the B-1. They don't have Symphony of Destruction, but there's another one I like called Dakota Demolition. I might go with them.


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User currently offlineDeltaDart106 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6364 times:

Be sure to show us a pic of the model when its done! (Or maybe some in-progress pics)

User currently offlineMidEx216 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 651 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 6305 times:

Quoting DeltaDart106 (Reply 8):

I just finished whittling out the rear-cockpit windows, so I'll be showing my first in progress pics soon.

I've also contacted a group called Two Bobs about some decal sets they have. I don't know that I'll get Symphony of Destruction, but Dakota Demolition may be a possibility.

However, I'm still working on masking plan for the cockpit glass. I may upload a picture here for any suggestions.



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User currently offlineCALTECH From Poland, joined May 2007, 2213 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 6233 times:

Quoting MidEx216 (Thread starter):

First, what would be an effective way of masking off the cockpit canopy to paint it? I want to use tape, but I'm worried about that method because I don't think I can cut the right shape out, much less without scratching the clear plastic with the knife...

There are liquid masking films you can use, such as 'Bob Dively Liquid Masking Film in 4 oz bottles .



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User currently offlineKevinL1011 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2964 posts, RR: 48
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 6222 times:

Quoting MidEx216 (Thread starter):
I recently picked up an old model that's been sitting in my basement for ages and decided to try it out again.

Same here but it was about 3 years ago. Found a Monogram B-17G kit in the attic that I bought 15 years ago for my son Patrick and I to build. It was a big kit, like 1/32 maybe. Really nice, still in shrink wrap. Unfortunately, like that song "The Cats in the Cradle" we never had time to build it.

So... about 3 years ago I discovered it and thought "Hey, what a great way to have adult Father - Son male bonding. Building a Monogram B-17G Kit"!. Patrick was 25 yrs old by then and I was twice his age when we finally trekked down to the hobby store for some model glue and paint. It was definately the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.   

After covering the kitchen table with newspaper, we carefully removed the factory Monogram shrink wrap and opened the box for the first time. It was all there but unfortunately years of exposure to hot So Cal attic temperatures had warped the wing and fuselage pieces and crispified the decals. I suppose it could be saved, maybe, but this is where I draw the line between fun and not fun. We decided to buy a six pack of beer and watch the movie "Bullitt" instead.

   So, listen here..... You young'uns better enjoy building model kits while you still can. Model building is a great hobby especially when you can share it with a family member or best friend. By the time you get to be my age, It's difficult to see the holes for the landing gear struts and not smear any glue on the cockpit windscreen.

And.... even if you screw up building it, you can always have fun blowing it up with firecrackers.


Quoting CALTECH (Reply 10):
Hey, welcome back! Haven't seen you post for a while.   

[Edited 2010-07-15 01:16:37]


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User currently offlineMidEx216 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 651 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (4 years 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6074 times:

Just an update for everyone...

I'm still trying to figure out a good way to mask the canopy, though I have an idea. I'm gonna try putting regular tape over it, trace the window outlines, and then pull the tape off and cut it out. Then I'll use those shapes to put over it and mask it.

As for the decals, I found a group called Twobobs Aviation Graphics. Unfortunately, their "Dakota Demolition" livery that I was looking for was sold out. However I did get a new set of decals that has nearly everything I'm looking for, including better nose art, tail stripe, squadron markings, etc..

I will however have to mask and paint the black walkway stripes on the wings, seeing as they aren't in the decal set I've ordered and the set I have has white markings.



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