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FSX/FS2004 Worst And Best Payware Thread #1  
User currently offlineZKNCL From New Zealand, joined Oct 2010, 290 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Welcome to Thread #1 where you can discuss about the Worst Payware and The Best Payware.
To start here is what I believe is the worst, the Abacus 787: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Hp7qJoKUxs.

And to add to the some of the best I would put the CLS 747-200/300 and the Captain Sim 757 for Great Sound, VC, Cockpit, Easy to add on liveries and the Excellent Exterior Model.

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User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7175 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting ZKNCL (Thread starter):
And to add to the some of the best I would put the CLS 747-200/300

Well the only reason I have this is because I got it on sale. It is decent but far from my best.

Best:
747-400X PMDG
Ultimate Traffic 2
MD-80 Pro
I also like Capsim's 767 and I got it on sale for $10!!

Hopefully soon to be best: 737NGX from PMDG. Just been wating for this one to come out I know its going to be fantastic!

For FS9 best:
Ready for Pushback 747-200
Wilco 734 which works in FSX too
DA Fokker 100
DC-9-30 Pro
Dash-8 Pro
PSS 777
These are all just fantastic!!

I never have really bought a terrible add on but not a huge fan of the CLS DC-10 and also it has been a huge disapointment that the Fokker 100/70 never got a VC for FSX flying have not flown that plane in a while. Also I hate all the add ons that are VC only



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User currently offlineZKNCL From New Zealand, joined Oct 2010, 290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Plus to the bad list there is this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBkrVLmyKsI


User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 38
Reply 3, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Best:

PMDG MD-11
PMDG 747-400X / 747-8i / 747-400LCF
FSLabs Concorde X

Haven't really had any I totally disliked. But I have severe problems with OrbX's YSCB airport addon - the frame rates are extremely poor for that airport, barely more than 6fps. I've tried turning off options, but it's very slow.

I'm also waiting for PMDG 737NGX too - looks superb. I also have Level D 767, but I don't fly it much - it's not quite up to the level of PMDG graphics/sound wise. Which is a shame, because it seems to be quite realistic.


User currently offlinegingersnap From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2010, 893 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

I only use FS9 just now so I will comment on ones available for that sim.

Best:
Right now, the best is the iFly 737NG series. Can be improved upon, but is of an excellent standard and is a wonder to fly.
Also:
QualityWings 757 series
PMDG MD-11/11F
PMDG 747-400
Wilco E-Jets v1 (170/190) & v2 (175/195)
Digital Aviation Fokker 70/100
Level-D 767-300

Best Scenery Payware:
Has to come from the team at FSDreamteam. Aerosoft get's an honorable mention also (although they do put out some real bad products from time to time).

Now the worst....
I'm not sure really, as I've never had any horrible payware. But I have steered clear of things like the Wilco A380 for example, as they really do look horrible.



Flown on: A306 A319/20/21 A332 B732/3/4/5/7/8 B742/4 B752 B762/3 B772/W C152 E195 F70/100 MD-82 Q400
User currently offline330Guy From Ireland, joined Nov 2010, 453 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting ZKNCL (Thread starter):
Abacus 787

Have it, and it is rotten....

The best I have is the QW 757... Followed closley by the CLS DC10, Both excellent
Also (I havent got it myself but my Dad has it) the Captain Sim 727 which is brilliant

[Edited 2011-02-13 06:09:15]


Aircraft flown: a300/10/20/21/30/40, b727/37/47/57/67/, DC9, MD80-90, l1011, f50, atr42/72, shorts360, pc12
User currently offlineaerdingus From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 2835 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting 330Guy (Reply 5):

Have it, and it is rotten....

What is the story with the rudder lol?!!!



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User currently offlineTHEBATMAN From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 848 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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I tend to buy airplanes you can use with both FS9 and FSX (with a few exceptions of course) but here are my choices by catergory...

*BEST*
Single-engine piston - Carenado V-35 (V-tail) Bonanza

Twin-engine piston - Carenado Piper PA34 200T Seneca II
Eaglesoft Diamond DA-42 TwinStar (turbo-diesel)

Single-engine turboprop - Flight1 Pilatus PC-12
Lionheart Creations Epic Dynasty
Lionheart Creations Quest Kodiak

Twin-engine turboprop - Aeroworx X-treme King Air B200
Digital Aviation Piper Cheyenne
PMDG J-41

Regional Jets - Wilco E-Jets

Airliners - Capt Sim 727 Captain
Wilco 737 PIC (-300/400/500)
iFly 737NG
CLS DC-10
CLS 747-200/300
Flight1 Super-80
PMDG 747-400
PMDG MD-11
Capt Sim 757 (Quality Wings is pretty good too)
Level-D 767
(IMHO there are no "good" Airbus products *yet*...same goes for the 777. The Wilco version is just OK)

Military - IRIS Pro Series F-14 Tomcat
IRIS Pro Series F-16D Viper
VRS F/A-18E Superbug
Capt Sim C-130 X-perience

Scenery - FSDreamteam, flyTampa

AI Traffic - Ultimate Traffic

Weather - Real Environment X-treme

*WORST*

ANYTHING THAT SAYS "ABACUS".
Also, if something costs a lot of $$$, it doesn't mean it's good. I've seen some Virtavia stuff that is WAY over-priced.
Just Flight's F-Lite Series of A319s-320s are OK...you're basically getting a default Airbus cockpit with nice outer textures. (the FMC doesn't do a whole lot, that's why they give it the name F-Lite...big thumbs down in my book) I really, really enjoy having some high-quality airplanes that cover the whole range of aircraft types. Little guys all the way up to the 747-400. They're worth the investment. Hope this helps you a little bit...

***edited because I forgot the E-Jets***

[Edited 2011-02-13 21:06:28]


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User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 38
Reply 8, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting THEBATMAN (Reply 7):
Weather - Real Environment X-treme

Well, for me, REX falls in two categories. Marvellous for the scenery and textures of weather - but extremely poor for weather generation.

ActiveSky is much better for more realistic weather generation (ie, the physical aspects of weather).


User currently offlineTHEBATMAN From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 848 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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Quoting cpd (Reply 8):
ActiveSky is much better for more realistic weather generation

That may be...I'm only going by the experience I have. For example, I don't have the Digital Aviation Fokker series...but everyones raves about it. So, I may have to pick that up. I also forgot one very important airplane: the SSTSIM Concorde (FS9) or Concorde X. Holy Cow...probably the most complex, realistic airplane out there. I ordered a manual for it...I'm still reading it   .



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User currently offlineAirbalticfan From United States of America, joined May 2008, 266 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting cpd (Reply 8):
Well, for me, REX falls in two categories. Marvellous for the scenery and textures of weather - but extremely poor for weather generation.

100000% with you in this matter, as the weather generator it simply SUCKS!
My fav:
B737 PMDG
Wilco A320 Vol1 and A330 Vol2
B1900 PMDG
FS Global

Least fav:
Wilco E-Jets-product is OK, but all buttons are WAY TOO SMALL and heavy on frame rates!
Virtualcol Fokker 50 -JUNK!

My 2 cents....


User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 38
Reply 11, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting THEBATMAN (Reply 9):
the SSTSIM Concorde (FS9) or Concorde X

That's where you pick the programs with great weather generation, since Concorde (both of them) are so extremely sensitive to weather changes. Even the slightest change in weather affects Concorde in cruise flight, since it cruises at the absolute limits for conditions.

Quoting THEBATMAN (Reply 9):
Holy Cow...probably the most complex, realistic airplane out there.

Indeed it is.  

Some recommendations for reading there are the "Concorde Stick and Rudder Book" by Mike Riley, who trained many Concorde pilots. And the ITVV Concorde DVD is very much worth it:

http://www.itvv.com/product/Concorde

David Rowland and Roger Bricknell have brilliant knowledge on the topic as you'd expect, being Captain and Senior Flight Engineer respectively, but they convey it to viewers in a very non-technical and easy to understand way.

Another great read is "Concorde - The Inside Story" by the late Brian Trubshaw, the famous Concorde test pilot. He covers the development and life of Concorde, along with all the side issues, etc.

[Edited 2011-02-14 17:54:24]

User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4397 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (3 years 7 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

The best scenery I'm aware of for FSX is the VFR Germany series, which sets new standards of realism with a marriage of photo scenery and 3D costumized autogen of a hole country.

For AI traffic products my preference for MyTraffic is well known.


User currently offlineFatmirJusufi From Albania, joined Jan 2009, 2441 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (3 years 7 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting ZKNCL (Reply 2):

Plus to the bad list there is this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBkrV...myKsI

Ouch, this scenery is awful!

I'm planning to purchase TOPCAT software. Have read great reviews about it.



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User currently offlinecsturdiv From Australia, joined Aug 2005, 1472 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (3 years 7 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

I only own one payware aircraft and that is the Flight 1 ATR 72 and I love the plane, so much fun to fly. I do not have any payware scenery, but since I live near ORD, I have been thinking about picking up FSDreamteam's ORD. Not sure if it has the new runway configurations and if it would cause any frame problems on my old PC (3GHz PentiumD, 4 GB RAM, 512MB nVidia 8600, W7 Home 64bit)


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User currently offlineNorthwest727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 491 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 7 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Unfortunately, I have a few pieces of great software that I forgot who the publishers were.

The best payware software I got was a Garmin GNS430 which also included the VOR/GPS CDI unit, a Garmin Transponder unit, and audio interface. I believe it was the RealityXP unit, but I may be wrong.

I also purchased a Panel editor and it was very nice. I believe it was FS Panel Studio. Together with the Garmin GNS430, I was able to customize some of the aircraft to the ones I fly in real life. I will warn you however, I tried the Abacus version and it sucked.

I also have a Cirrus SR22 from EagleSoft, and the Just Flight, Flight Club X. Both of them are pretty good, but just a little pricey.

Quoting THEBATMAN (Reply 7):
*WORST*

ANYTHING THAT SAYS "ABACUS".

 

[Edited 2011-02-16 06:22:05]

User currently offlineNorthwest727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 491 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 7 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Northwest727 (Reply 15):
I believe it was the RealityXP unit

Correction to my previous post, I have the SimFlyer GNS package (includes the 430, 530, and other Garmin avionics)

The RealityXP software looks more realistic and is updated with more approaches and WAAS, but costs more and wasn't available when I made my purchase, 3 years ago.


User currently offlinecsturdiv From Australia, joined Aug 2005, 1472 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (3 years 7 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

I forgot about the first piece of payware that I bought many, many years ago. FS Navigator. I love this app, it helps me figure out where I am going to fly to. I usually like to keep my flights at about 500-750 miles and with the map in FS Navigator it helps me figure out where I am flying to next, it also helps me with my search for freeware scenery. And I often use it to look up ILS/NAV/ATIS freqs for the airports as well.http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/help.main?open=new


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User currently offlineThEbAtMaN From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 848 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (3 years 7 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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Quoting csturdiv (Reply 14):
since I live near ORD, I have been thinking about picking up FSDreamteam's ORD. Not sure if it has the new runway configurations and if it would cause any frame problems on my old PC

I have that scenery, since ORD is also "home" for me...it's EXCELLENT, but not exactly accurate anymore. ORD keeps changing and changing...the scenery does have the new 10/28 (but is not 13,000 ft like real life), shows the new 9L/27R as a dirt strip under construction, as well as the new north tower being built. 32L/14R has not been shortened (as in real life) either.

That being said, the attention to detail is staggering. All the buildings, terminals, hangars, ground equipment... are awesome. I would definitely say it's worth the $$$.   

It may have some effect on your FPS. Of course, to get the maximum effect (belt loaders, ramp tractors, food service trucks, push tractors, etc) you want higher settings. I have a pretty nice machine and purposely bought the FS9 version so I could max it out like crazy. Even if you don't run it at maximum, it's still worth the money and WAY better than the default ORD.



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User currently offlineZKNCL From New Zealand, joined Oct 2010, 290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting THEBATMAN (Reply 7):

*WORST*

ANYTHING THAT SAYS "ABACUS".
Quoting 330Guy (Reply 5):
Quoting ZKNCL (Thread starter):
Abacus 787

Have it, and it is rotten....

I have it too, it is awful the abacus 787 is a total failure and any other products that say abacus.

Also
Wilco E-Jets are good and Level-D 767 is great along with the PMDG 747-400


User currently offlineThEbAtMaN From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 848 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (3 years 7 months 2 days ago) and read 32767 times:
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Quoting THEBATMAN (Reply 7):
*BEST*
Single-engine piston - Carenado V-35 (V-tail) Bonanza

It's not often that I quote myself, but I have an update for this category. I recently (like two days ago) picked up the Eaglesoft Cirrus SR-22 SE Turbo. WOW - what an airplane! This thing is absolutely fabulous. I posted some screens on the other thread, so if you're into GA airplanes, check it out...definitely makes the *BEST* list.



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User currently offlinecsturdiv From Australia, joined Aug 2005, 1472 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (3 years 7 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting ThEbAtMaN (Reply 18):
I have that scenery, since ORD is also "home" for me...it's EXCELLENT

Since I now have a job again, I'll pick it up soon. However it might be a while until I see it, as I am still flying in Russia. Actually, I have not flown in over a week or so, it might be a long while until I get back home.

Quoting ZKNCL (Reply 19):
and any other products that say abacus

While it is payware, I have the demo version of FS Repaint from Abacus and find it useful, after installing a repaint, I will load up FS Repaint and see if it is displaying correctly before I will load up FS9.



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User currently offlineZKNCL From New Zealand, joined Oct 2010, 290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 7 months 5 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting csturdiv (Reply 21):
I have the demo version of FS Repaint from Abacus and find it useful, after installing a repaint, I will load up FS Repaint and see if it is displaying correctly before I will load up FS9.

I just use DXTBMP to make repaints, not any payware

Plus this should be added to the bad list the AFS A350: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkdI-gH2yeQ


User currently offlineMIAspotter From Spain, joined Nov 2001, 2775 posts, RR: 24
Reply 23, posted (3 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting csturdiv (Reply 17):
FS Navigator.

Oh, I can't fly without FSNav, a bit outdated now but its handy for flightplanning and SID STAR arrivals, and it is still supported by AIRAC.

The only thing that buggers me, is that when in flight on straight level flight, the aircraft has a tendency to start drifting offcourse, the FSNav will beep and put it back on the correct heading, but annoying nonetheless.

I know Aerosoft has a new one called FS Commander, would like to see what its like.

For me the best Payware is...

AES (Kinda payware since you have to buy credits) but a MUST for realism.
Any Aerosoft, FSDreamteam, UK2000, Flytampa scenery.
TSS Sounds.

Worst... just by looking at the screenshots on simmarket and stuff, any Abacus stuff and some of the other awful planes specially some Airbuses made by some dodgy company, FSlite or something... they just look wrong.

MIAspotter.



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User currently offlineKLM672 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 2455 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (3 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Anyone care to comment on SuperFlight Board or whatever its called? I like the AI Traffic viewboard, but it doesn't work correctly in FSX, seems this super flight board is the only replacement and its payware.

25 United_fan : I bought the Qulaity Wings 757. Beautiful model and sounds,but I can't fly without a GPS . I tried to put another 757/767 panel in in ,but it made the
26 Post contains images woady : Been using FS Commander for years and I love it
27 Post contains images cpd : For FSX, it's even easier to use the Nvidia DDS plugin for Photoshop, if you have Photoshop. Just a shame they don't know that people live in the wor
28 United_fan : I love the CLS DC-10 and the Flight 1 727.
29 gingersnap : Hell I haven't changed anything with my QW 752 and it does that from time to time. It corrects itself after a few minutes usually.
30 ZKNCL : These Worst and Best Payware threads I will make them have around 40-50 post each thread. I purchased the Zinertek Water Effects, they were Good but n
31 GBLKD : I'm inclined to agree with most of the above. My own personal choices for FS9 are: Wilco 737 PIC PMDG 737NG Captain Sim 757 PSS Concorde Just Flight R
32 TheBatman : I had been checking out the RealAir Beech Duke for FSX for quite awhile, but held off because I have several light twins. Well now, they've released t
33 ZKNCL : Just Purchased the Captain Sim 727, Great Aircraft however the sound is quite disappointing. Also I got the Overland Airbus Package and it an excellen
34 cpd : I always thought the SSTSim one was more realistic. You'd look on Vataware at the flight levels across the pond, and immediately know who is using PS
35 cannikin : Here's my list of add ons that have been well worth the money: As far as weather generation, I've been extremely pleased with Active Sky Evolution. It
36 vhqpa : Best: Captainsim 727 PSS Dash 8-Q300 PSS Airbus A32S and A330/A340 Worst: A few weeks ago I brought a 2nd gen 737 panel from Happy Panels (I think) It
37 JA8119 : Good: The Flight 1 ATR 72 is an ultimate simulation, though a bit troublesome for Windows Vista users as I have to install the product every time befo
38 GBLKD : I've not had those problems personally. Are you aligning the IRS on the overhead panel and imputting your start lat and long co-ordinates into the FM
39 JA8119 : Yes,typing mistake. That's IRS, not INS
40 sabian404 : For FS9 The Good: iFly 737 VRS F/A-18E Superbug Fly The Maddog MD-80 Level-D 767 PMDG 747-400 PMDG MD-11 FlightZone 02 Portland scenery All FSDreamtea
41 Post contains images ZKNCL : Planning to buy some payware, will review them soon. ZKNCL
42 burnsie28 : My favorites: Aerosoft A320/321 Captain Sim 757/767 MD-80 Pro Least Favorite: Most Wilco products Skysimulations DC-9, would be great if it worked and
43 Post contains images Carlisle : THE GOOD: (Aircraft) Sceneries: FS DreamTeam JFK Aerosoft CDG LLBG Ben Gurion 2006 THE BAD (Aircraft) WILCO AIRBUS A380! Talk about totally unREAListi
44 ZKNCL : Just purchased some new payware so here is what I think. The Good: Active Camera (Strange how no one has mentioned that) Feelthere E175/195 (The sound
45 united319 : Best: Quality Wings 757 Jet City MD-80/717/DC-9 Fly Tampa Sceneries Imagine Simulation Sceneries FS Dreamteam Sceneries Worst: Captain Sim 757 iFly 73
46 Fabo : There is a workaround for that. I think it is installing older .NET version, as Vista is preinstalled with not fully backwards compatibile version...
47 joffie : Hi All I only use FSX, and consider these as the best ORBX - Any scenery - Have YMML/YSCB/YSCH/YMAV - Good sale now, so I suggest you get as much as y
48 GingerSnap : I think you mean FSDreamteam. FlyTampa didn't make LAS did they? I know they're in the process of developing ATH for both FS9 & FSX. FSDT are dev
49 joffie : yes thats correct. I put in the wrong company but can confirm what you just said.
50 sabian404 : Why don't you like the iFly?
51 Fabo : It is fair to say it was pretty bugged on release (the FS2004 version). But is quite flyable now. Much better than old 737NG of PMDG.
52 sabian404 : I really disliked it on release but now with all the updates it's one of my favorite add-ons. I remember when it first came out you needed almost ful
53 flymia : Man do I wish there was a decent Dash-8 for FSX. I loved that PSS Dash-8. It was a great plane. I see there is Majestic Software who makes a Dash-8-3
54 mbahgondrong : Hi, I just installed a fresh FSX, now what should I install first?? I'm thinking of traffic mod to make the game more lively and also real life airlin
55 330Guy : Its been a while since iv posted here and Iv got some new ones since so i'll add my updated list now FSX Best: QW 757 Aerosoft A321 Captain Sim 727 (I
56 Cadet985 : I just got that. Waiting for the MD-82/83 tomorrow, and TrafficX. So far, I'm pretty impressed with the DC-10. Marc
57 ZKNCL : It's great that QW is making a 787 for FS, Finally no longer Abacus. I'm hoping it will be good just like the 757 but who knows maybe it might turn ou
58 bonoaberalex : Best: PMDG 737NGX Airbus X Extended Fly the Maddog 2010 Worst: Wilco CRJ Nextgen Perfect flight 717X
59 Fallap : Best: ANY PMDG product (Except the B1900) Majestic Q400 Carenado B1900D QualityWings BAe146 / Avro RJ series Digital Aviation Fokker 70/100 (Just a sh
60 Post contains images LPDAL : Even though it's not virtual FSX payware, I figured I would use this this thread to list the best and worst Flight Simulator-related hardware as well.
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