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FS9...do You Stay At The Computer Or Leave It?  
User currently offlineunited319 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 526 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 9298 times:
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I know many are die hard realism fanatics that stay with the Aircraft for the entire flight. I rarely do that. I put in A/P and set the wing views all the way across the country. The ATC is aggrivating on FS9, it does not stage aircraft on approach far enough and they take way too long to exit the runway so I turned it off and turned off the crash settings. Everything else stays on (fuel, failures, real time, weather, etc).

So do you stay with the plane in-flight or leave it?


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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13634 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 9281 times:
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I know the realism junkies out there will cringe, but I'm a "set it and forget it" guy unless the flight is under 90 minutes.


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User currently offlineunited319 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 526 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 9273 times:
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Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 1):
I know the realism junkies out there will cringe, but I'm a "set it and forget it" guy unless the flight is under 90 minutes.

Haha it has to be under an hour for me LOL. Sometimes I even do a ULH flight and go to bed then wake up and land an hour or so later.



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User currently offlineAirbalticfan From United States of America, joined May 2008, 267 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 9252 times:

I will be the first one from "die hard realism guys"....  
First of all, all my flights are online on Vatsim Network, I refuse to fly offline and I only do that when I test some new aircraft or check out the scenery after installing it to make sure I will not have any surprises later during the approach to the airport....
For me Flight Simulation is as close as any "regular Joe" can get to real flying as long as you follow all the real world procedures and treat it with respect. Only this way I can get a satisfaction on what I am doing - Flight simming.
Otherwise it is just another game installed on a PC and I would get bored even less than in 60 min.
My flying always starts with pre-flight briefing where I check all info needed for upcoming flight also I do a complete weather check for my origin and destination airports and I pick a couple of alternate airports as well.I am always trying to be a step ahead and I am well aware what situations I might face as far as the weather goes. I prefere silence over annoying FS9 or FSX "built in ATC" which is a disaster and do not follow precise real world ATC.I will always take a real person working ATC over the FS9/FSX ATC "bs" which is not accurate and a lot of times simply dumb.
90% of time I will be on my PC during the flight and if the flight take 8h, then 8h will it be and I will leave the "cockpit" only if I am crossing the Ocean and there are no ATC available at that time.

Just my 2 cents and I bet there are many others who take the flight simming as serious as I do.

[Edited 2011-05-28 22:17:46]

User currently offlineJohnKrist From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 1399 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9239 times:
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I stay in the aircraft for the entire flight, meaning I allow myself to go and get a drink and a toilet visit, as would any real pilot. So I'd be away from the cockpit/computer for 5 minutes. And there is nothing wrong with leaving the cockpit for a few hours during a 10 hour flight, that's what the crew bunks are for  


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User currently offlineTS-IOR From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3488 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 9212 times:

If you are flying online (IVAO or VATSIM) then you may stay, unless permission given by a connected ATC.

User currently offlinevhqpa From Australia, joined Jul 2005, 1476 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 9210 times:

I'm a little time restraint when it comes to flight simming I mainly do shorthauls if it's under 2 hours which most flights are I'll fly real time walk away but i'll have the laptop in whichever room I'm in so I can do frequency changes. Although if it's any longer once I'm at cruise it goes up to 4X until I'm about 150nm from the destination airport then I do go back to real time for the decent. Longest flight in real time I have ever done was YMML-WSSS which was about 8 hours although that was done in shorter sessions over 3 days. Anything longer then 2 hours then I just get bored.


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User currently offlineMIAspotter From Spain, joined Nov 2001, 2784 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9201 times:

I mostly do short haul european flights, and I do it as real as I can possibly make it, I check the weather on the airports, check for a flightplan, check the ZRH airport to see which aircraft is flying the route and which gate is using. then load up and fly, once I reach cruise I can go and do other things, (take a shower, cook a quick lunch, or chat) and once I am 130nm out of my destination I ¨return¨ to the cockpit and do my approach and landing.

On ultralonghauls I usually let the plane fly and go to bed...

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User currently offlineGBLKD From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2011, 345 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 9177 times:

It all depends on what it is I'm flying and where I'm flying it to.

PMDG 738, climb to cruise alt, press LNAV, tune next frequeny but don't contact. I then do the same as many of you and wander off and do other stuff until about 150nm from landing. I only really "fly" like this if I want to use FS9 at the same time as the wife has a list of stuff for me to do.

Concorde, Climb to FL380 then tune next freq but don't contact. I'll then climb to FL580 and accelerate to M2.02 and leave it for a few minutes at a time. It can be a temperamental beast so I don't like to stray too far from it and like to keep my eyes on things.

JustFlight Vulcan, never leave the seat. With no GPS it's navigate the old fashioned way using beacons. I'll sit there and pour over paper charts making sure I'm heading in the right direction. Also I only use the AP to hold the altitude so throttle and directional control is all manual. I've sat there for 3 hours in my own little bubble concentrating on flying the aeroplane to the right place. Trying to work up the stamina to re-create Black Buck 1 next year to celebrate the 30th anniversary of the real thing.

I also have a few other aircraft that require a lot of manual input, aside from the PMDG 738 I tend to shy away from the modern "Nintendojets" as there really insn't a lot of fun or sense of achievement in pressing LNAV and VNAV and letting the thing fly itself, I've got plenty of ITTV vids if I want to watch an airliner. The last flight I did in a "modern" Jetliner was in the Wilco PIC 733 which was interesting. It was only a Gatwick-Manchester shuttle but the IRS didn't align properly so the AP wouldn't engage. Flew the whole thing hands on VOR-VOR.


User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7107 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 9143 times:

Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 7):
On ultralonghauls I usually let the plane fly and go to bed...
Quoting united319 (Reply 2):
I even do a ULH flight and go to bed then wake up and land an hour or so later.

Do you guys wake up for step climbs? Or just sleep all the way thorugh, you would be chewing through gas if you slept through


User currently offlinejoffie From Australia, joined Mar 2006, 812 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 9136 times:

I leave it. No way I can stare at the screen for several hours. I am one of those weirdoes who love the long haul flight - and im talking about 14 hour 747 flights. Usually set it up late at night, get to cruise altitude, and go to bed. Viola, in the morning, hoping the PC has not crashed or reset itself, I am a couple of hours away from my destination.

If i do a short flight, maybe 2-5 hours, then I open up and play on the laptop.

The default ATC is annoying, so I don't usually use it, only for takeoff/landing clearance - gets annoying changing centre every few minutes.


User currently offlineunited319 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 526 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 9055 times:
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Quoting joffie (Reply 10):
The default ATC is annoying, so I don't usually use it, only for takeoff/landing clearance - gets annoying changing centre every few minutes.

I stay awake for the climb to cruise altitude and I usually have it set very high for better fuel burn, usually FL380-FL400 with a speed set at mach 0.78- mach 0.81.

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 9):
Do you guys wake up for step climbs? Or just sleep all the way thorugh, you would be chewing through gas if you slept through

Ditto. I can't stand how long it takes for the AI aircraft to exit the runway, and what a lousy job the default ATC does at spacing the planes. Every other plane has to do a go around because the other plane on the runway won't exit. If this were the real world you would have mega GDP's at every airport with commercial traffic nationwide!!! That is why I turned off the ATC.



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User currently offlinecsturdiv From Australia, joined Aug 2005, 1491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8982 times:

I will set it and forget it until I am getting close to landing. Like others, I'll go off and clean the house, cook a meal or catch up on shows that are on my DVR.

Quoting united319 (Reply 11):
Ditto. I can't stand how long it takes for the AI aircraft to exit the runway, and what a lousy job the default ATC does at spacing the planes. Every other plane has to do a go around because the other plane on the runway won't exit. If this were the real world you would have mega GDP's at every airport with commercial traffic nationwide!!! That is why I turned off the ATC.

There is a program for FS9 called FS Configurator that is on AVSIM. One of the things that it does is to allow you to edit the taxi speeds and the runway speeds of AI aircraft. I bumped up the speeds of my AI aircraft and the amount of go arounds has decreased quite a bit.



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User currently offlineKeKeKumba From Canada, joined Jul 2010, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8810 times:

In the virtual airline I'm in, I usually select flights that are less than 2 hours. So, I'm there the entire time. I've done a few 4-5 hour ones where I took a nap, but that's not the norm. I just did JFK-KEF last night and sat there the entire 5hr30mins. Of course, I was occupied with other things, but nonetheless.

User currently offlineAmericanAirFan From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 408 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 8735 times:

I've done my fair share of set it and forget it flights. Also done some where I handflew the whole way in hard IMC. I love going on VATSIM finding a route with bad weather, and shooting approaches down close to minimums with the full VATSIM experience. I've flown around the world once in a 727-100 (with stops of course), another time with an L1011.

I have roughly 600 hours on VATSIM. However since I've become a real world pilot and I'm focusing on my career flight simming, and plane spotting have taken a back seat but have been very helpful hobbies in my learning and understanding of aviation.

One of many memorable flights. I flew a BAC 1-11 DEN-PHX fully loaded, on VATSIM. I did it all by hand except for ALT hold at altitude.It was all VOR NAV with my SID/STAR and enroute usage. I shot an ILS "under the hood" then on the final moments being visual I had to go around because a guy took too long vacating the runway. I got vectored around again and it was intense hand flying it. Nailed it though. It was fun too being fully loaded you couldn't run the engines at MAX setting for too long or the engines would flame out...



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User currently offlineinitious From Singapore, joined Dec 2008, 1066 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 8719 times:

Even though I play FSX, let me share my point of view.

For years I belonged to the "get to cruising altitude and accelerate 16x" club. However recently, I decided to fly my flights in real time and started an airline in HKG using FsPassengers. My longest flight so far with the airline was HKG-ICN-HND both ways using an Airbus A320-200 of Dragonair. However, that's not my longest flight in my flight simming history. I once did SIN-TPE on the default 747-400 and BOS-SXM on the Wilco Airbus A320-200 although the former turned out a disaster. When I am flying, I usually try to imitate the in flight services. I'd watch videos on my laptop (I play FSX on desktop) and treat it like an "in flight entertainment". Should I need to have my meals at around that time, it naturally becomes my "in flight meal" too.

I use ActiveSkyX for real time weather to ensure maximum realism. I have recently tried flying HKG-LHR and go to sleep and wake up to land but it seems like I can't do it since FsPassengers require me to serve food and drinks and since I'm using the PMDG 744 I have to wake up for step climbs which is too much of a hassle to do so. Nonetheless, I wouldn't mind trying it one day if I have a long day at home.  



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User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 37
Reply 16, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 8705 times:

Quoting united319 (Reply 11):
Ditto. I can't stand how long it takes for the AI aircraft to exit the runway

Increase the runway exit speeds and taxi speeds of the AI planes, it helps a lot with them.

I stay with the plane always, you have to because of the step climbs, or otherwise, I'd normally fly Concorde and it always does fast flights (plus you need to do INS DME updates, along with entering extra waypoints on long flights, since the INS only has space for 9 waypoints).


User currently offlineunited319 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 526 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 8665 times:
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Quoting cpd (Reply 16):
I stay with the plane always, you have to because of the step climbs, or otherwise, I'd normally fly Concorde and it always does fast flights (plus you need to do INS DME updates, along with entering extra waypoints on long flights, since the INS only has space for 9 waypoints).

I don't do step climbs. I climb to my cruising altitude right away. I plan my flightplan ahead of time so that the LNAV takes it where it is supposed to when I am away from the computer. I never do more than 9 waypoints. I fly direct until I have to make turns for lining up with the correct arrival runway.



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User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 37
Reply 18, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8658 times:

Quoting united319 (Reply 17):
I don't do step climbs. I climb to my cruising altitude right away. I plan my flightplan ahead of time so that the LNAV takes it where it is supposed to when I am away from the computer

What plane is it? On the B747, it doesn't seem to do the steps itself, you have to dial it into the selector and then push the "button" when the FMC says step to FLwhatever at "now".

Or maybe I'm not doing it right. I'm still learning the intricacies of the B747-400 - but I'm liking it more and more.  


User currently offline330guy From Ireland, joined Nov 2010, 453 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8643 times:

While im not so much set it and forget it I do sometimes go for a coffee or have my dinner during the cruise. I have a basic rule, Handfly below 10,000! above that depending on how long the flight is really depends if I stay or not, thew longest iv done without leaving is NYC to LAX in a 757, The Longest realtime is LHR-SIN in a 744 but naturally I went to bed for that one and woke up about 150 miles out, I manually use VOR's to nav a lot of the time and that requires me to be at the PC reguraly.

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User currently offlineunited319 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 526 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8608 times:
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Quoting cpd (Reply 18):
What plane is it? On the B747, it doesn't seem to do the steps itself, you have to dial it into the selector and then push the "button" when the FMC says step to FLwhatever at "now".

Or maybe I'm not doing it right. I'm still learning the intricacies of the B747-400 - but I'm liking it more and more.

I don't use the FMC. I plan my flights with the default FS Flight Planner. So I chose my cruising altitude and set it on the autopilot controls and do a climb rate of around 1500FPM.

You're doing it right...I am not  . No patience for the FMC or ATC.



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User currently offline9LFlyGuy From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 167 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 4 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 8315 times:

at my va we have a random afk check as part of our acars so all my flights are done in real time with me at the yoke. I would fly on VATSIM more but my internet is so unstable I'm always getting kicked for latency. on the short regional hops in my saab I fly on VATSIM.


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User currently offlineUA772IAD From Australia, joined Jul 2004, 1730 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (3 years 4 months 5 hours ago) and read 8102 times:

I'm more of the set it and (sort of) forget it type... to an extent.

I find Long Haul flights are actually easier to complete when on a time constraint. I'll do some domestic short or medium hauls in between the longer trips if the weather isn't good outside and I've got nothing better to do, but here's my typical routine:
  • I decide where I want to fly (partially based on where I have or haven't been before/what aircraft I feel like flying/the flight time). This is also based on where I'm "virtually" located (so if I last flew ORD-SFO, then I do a flight out of SFO)

  • I pull the real-world flight plan from FlightAware and the aircraft registration from ACARS (and hopefully I have the repaint!)

  • I download the weather, use my VA's dispatch creator and create a dispatch document with the routing and fuel info

  • Load up ActiveSky for real-world weather, then FS, starting the flight at the gate

  • I'll usually be sitting at the gate 15-20 minutes before pushback. This gives me enough time to load the FMC/CDU/MCDU and do all the pre-flight work. I use payware add-ons that simulate systems for realism. I got FS2Crew for my PMDG 747, so for those flights I start 30-40 minutes before pushback

  • Take-off and get up to cruise

  • I like FSPassengers because it gives you PIREPs, flight maps and lets you track your hours and stuff, so I'll stay put at the computer long enough into cruise to start the in-flight service on that program.

  • With everything set, I'm not needed at the computer anymore. If I'm around the house I'll check back periodically to make sure I'm on track, not flying into thunderstorms, or initiate step climbs based on the FMC data.

  • RadarContact for ATC adds realism and allows the first officer to handle radio communications in-flight. They also have a great feature that allows you to pause a certain distance from a waypoint/destination. On long hauls I set mine to 500 miles out

  • I'm back at the computer for the final 500 miles to initiate the last meal/drink service and plan the arrival.

  • We land, and another long-haul trip is completed!


The best part about this... it takes about as much time as sitting at the computer during a short or medium haul (about 3 hours). Complex and realistic add-ons also help. If I'm around the house (usually in another room watching TV/reading/eating a meal or doing something else, I can check on the flight periodically, or I can run an errand and know that my flight will usually be fine.

I just completed UA's Kuwait trip in 3 days. IAD-KWI, took off in the evening, arrived in the morning. Did the KWI-BAH-KWI turn on day two. Then later that night KWI-IAD, a 14 hour flight, landing at IAD the next morning... all in real time!


User currently offlineWNWatcher From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 275 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 8059 times:

My longest flight was ATL - SYD in a Posky DL 777-200LR, and that was a beast. Granted I spent maybe 3 hours of it "outside the cockpit" working on a paper, but the other 14 I was solidly in the Cockpit, reading a book. Normally I like to fly the BWI-JAX-TPA-BWI WN Route in the Posky 737-700. For those I definitely stay in the cockpit when not at a gate.


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User currently offlineBAW076 From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2006, 750 posts, RR: 26
Reply 24, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 7972 times:

As boring as it may sound, all of my flights are Ryanair flights, as I fly for (and am also part of the staff) for RYRvirtual.

The majority of flights are pretty short, lasting no longer than 2.5 hours, with some longer flights of 4-5 hours (e.g Edinburgh - Canaries).

For the most part I am at the cockpit for the flights, however on the longer ones I may be away for a short time, but that's because the VATSIM Police are usually not far away!

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