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Toughest Airports To Land In  
User currently offlinekann123air From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 999 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 24703 times:

Hi all,
I just wanted to know what are some of the hardest airports for general aviation to land in (example: VNLK Lukla, Nepal). I am exploring these airports in FSX to hone my landing skills.  


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User currently offlinejonathanxxxx From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 673 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 24696 times:

Ehh my guesses would be Kai Tak or EGE. There was a show about the most extreme airports on the history channel. Pretty interesting show. As for the airports I guess SXM and TGU are up there too.

User currently offlinekann123air From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 999 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 24639 times:

Hmmm....I have tried Kai Tak and TGU on a 738 (and landed successfully), and SXM on most aircraft on FSX (largest being the 744-successfully), but I am yet to try EGE. But, considering that AA 752s fly there, it is probably much easier than Lukla.

Couldn't even land a Beech Baron 58 in Lukla, and I have been a Flight Simulator enthusiast since I was 5!



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User currently offlineweb500sjc From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 24630 times:
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Saba, SAB.

- but i don't know how good FSX is at simulating GA aircraft.



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User currently offlinejonathanxxxx From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 673 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 24542 times:

I don't have FSX but I play X-Plane 9 on my iPad. So theres not much challenge but its still some sort of flight sim. The most challenging thing i've done is landing on runway 1L at SFO in a thunderstorm on an A380.... Now that takes skills  

User currently offlinerwy04lga From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3176 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 24469 times:

Aeroflex-Andover NJ. Been in there a few times, real and simulated. I use the CH Products USB Yoke.


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User currently offlinekann123air From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 999 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 24401 times:

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 5):

I use the same yoke.

Just tried Aeroflex-Andover, and I can see what you mean about the tough landing with the lake right in front of RWY 21. Do you think it is possible with a Lear 45?



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User currently offlinekann123air From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 999 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 24395 times:

Quoting web500sjc (Reply 3):

Right, SAB is REALLY hard.
Tried it in a SQ 738 (I know, ridiculous right?), and you can guess the result. Can it even handle a Beech Baron 58 or King Air 350?



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User currently offlineCoal From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2127 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 24143 times:

Try MZL.

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User currently offlineSomedayTrijet From Ecuador, joined Nov 2010, 142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 24047 times:

How about SBH, or SAB? But you'll need to have the Aerosoft scenery for it to be fun.

TGU, INN, ASE and Kai Tak must be some hard ones too!



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User currently offlinecvg2lga From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 635 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 23947 times:

I've heard Quito described as one of the "most dangerous" airports to land at.

Tchau

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User currently offlineCadet985 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1663 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 23928 times:

Quoting jonathanxxxx (Reply 1):
I guess SXM and TGU are up there too.

I don't know...I've never had a problem landing at SXM unless I try to come in over the mountains. But coming in over the beach for me at least, is an easy approach...and I'm just getting to the point where I'm actually making successful landings...only took me a few years.

Marc


User currently offlinelppr95 From Portugal, joined Mar 2010, 100 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 23902 times:

I never made a good landing ( smooth and on the first third of the runway) at FNC RWY 05 in FSX. It is one of the most dangerous airports to land.


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User currently offlinePs76 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 23853 times:

Hi!

I think Courchevel in France is pretty tough. It has a sloped runway and is in the moutains and stuff. There's a guy doing a series at the moment in the screenshot forum of Flightsim.com of tough airports to land at if you're interested.

Hope it helps

Pierre


User currently offlineMichaelEI From Ireland, joined Jan 2011, 154 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 23704 times:

I've tried PBH (Paro) before, didn't end well at all!

User currently offlineThirtyEcho From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 1658 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 23677 times:

Just suggested this be moved to the Hobby forum. This isn't about real flying.

User currently offlineaerdingus From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 2860 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 23635 times:

Tivat, Montenegro is a real challenge! A non ILS approach through either mountains or over a lake. it's fun   Look @ pics of the real place to see what I mean!


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User currently offlinecsturdiv From Australia, joined Aug 2005, 1513 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 23589 times:

There is an add-on for FSX that is for dangerous airports. One of the airports is Mountain Air in Ashville, North Carolina. I have not flown there in FS9 or FSX, but a friend of the family flew his Piper Meridian in there as he said it was a hairy approach, and he is no rookie when it comes to flying.


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User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7266 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 23575 times:

Quoting kann123air (Reply 7):
Can it even handle a Beech Baron 58 or King Air 350?

King Air no, Baron maybe. But for T/O would have to be empty. I have done many successful landings there but only in Caravans and Twin Otters.

Another great airport is Saint Barths SBH but you need to find good scenery for it! FlyTampa makes a great one for FSX/FS9 but FS9 also has a great freeware SBH on avsim along with a great SABA freeware. Both airports need some add on scenery to get the landings done right.



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User currently offline9LFlyGuy From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 23561 times:

CRW can be challenging too.


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User currently offline8b775zq From St. Kitts and Nevis, joined Aug 2005, 238 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 23541 times:

Try SBH, SAB, TGU or Lukla. SAN can be tricky at times also.

User currently offlineTHEBATMAN From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 850 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 23551 times:
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Quoting kann123air (Thread starter):
There was a show about the most extreme airports on the history channel.

So from the show, the 10 most extreme/dangerous airports are:

10. San Diego’s Lindbergh Field KSAN: Due to high volume of traffic, has a single runway, and is right next to the population center. According to the airport director, they handle over 550 flights a day,
all with one runway, and too many aircraft could end up on a collision course if something goes wrong. Cited accident is PSA182, the Boeing 727-214 which crashed into a Cessna 172 during approach.

9. Madeira’s Funchal Airport LPMA: Due to turbulent winds and dangerous terrain as well as the runway extending out into the ocean. The runway itself was cut out of the mountain and is very short.
Another risk is bird strikes due to the large number of seabirds in the region. Cited accident is TAP Portugal Flight 425, a Boeing 727-282Adv which overran the runway. The runway was lengthened
and is built on stilts out into the ocean, meaning if you go off the runway, there is a 60+ foot drop.

8. Vail Colorado’s Eagle County Airport KEGE: Terrain (Rocky Mountains), unpredictable weather, and high altitude. Approach requires higher speeds due to altitude and the fact that Vail is in a valley
and you have to quickly descend once you cross the mountains and the weather can change in an instant. No specific accident is cited, but it is mentioned private pilots have underestimated the dangers
and resulted in crashes.

7. Courchevel France’s airport LFLJ: Elevation, built on mountainside, ski jump runway, no ability for a go around. Not much else said about it.

6. Hong Kong’s Kai Tak VHHX: Yes it is closed, but it had one of the most dangerous approaches due to buildings. the landing was visual (the checkered board), and the extremely short turns onto final.
Cited accident is China Airlines Flight 605, the Boeing 747-409 which went off the end of the runway.

5. Gibraltar Airport LXGB: Shared with the RAF and is restricted air space, and there is highway access across the runway. Also terrain, weather and buildings in the area around the airport. Spanish airspace
restrictions force short and sharp turns onto finals. When wind is from certain directions, The Rock of Gibraltar causes crosswinds and severe tailwinds for aircraft on approach.

4. St. Maarten’s Princess Juliana International Airport TNCM: While it has the most beautiful views, both the beach and the aircraft, its low approach over the beach, steep climb out over the mountains,
and very high number amount of traffic. Thankfully the steep climb out has not resulted in any accidents. (They showed a bunch of great videos from the beach and talked about the Sunset Bar.) And of course
they had to mention the idiots who “ride the fence” and try to hang on from the jet blast from departing aircraft. They even filmed this for the show while people tried to survive a 747 takeoff, thankfully
no one got hurt.

3. Saint Barth’s Gustaf III Airport TFFJ: Extremely short airport, very dangerous approach, and a runway which ends in the ocean. So far there have not been any fatal accidents, mostly because you have to have
special training, certification, and special licenses to land at Saint Barth’s. Landing is often downhill, but if you are landing “uphill,” there is no go around if you need to abort.

2. Tegucigalpa, Honduras’ Toncontín International Airport MHTG: International airport with the shortest runway that has regular, commercial traffic. There is 65 foot cliff at the end of the runway, and a mountain
at the other. The approach is completely visual (similar to Kai Tak) and the area you have to aim for is only about 500 feet apart. The runway is just under 7,100 feet long. Cited accident is Tan-Sahsa Flight
414, a 727-200 crash that was the result of CFIT and a USAF C-130 which went off the end of the runway in 1997. Also was the most recent, TACA Flight 390, an Airbus A320-233, which overran the runway, went
over the cliff, and crashed into a hillside. After that accident, the runway was extended which was done by removing a hill. This reduced the steepness of the approaches.

1. Lukla, Nepal’s Tenzing-Hillary Airport VNLK: Extremely short runway, low visibility, high altitude, and weather which can be anything from clear to ice in a heart beat. The runway has a gradient of 12 degrees
with a mountain at the higher end, and a 2,000 foot drop at the other. There is no way to go around if something goes wrong. Pilots who fly into the airport have to have gone through special training and
certifications before they are allowed to fly into the airport. Numerous crashes with the most recent being Yeti Airlines Flight 103, a De Havilland Canada DHC-6 Twin Otter which crashed on approach killing
18 onboard, only the pilot survived.



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User currently offlineAndersNilsson From Sweden, joined May 2004, 417 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 23417 times:

Vágar, Faroe Islands. 4,101 feet short runway.

"Accidents and incidents
3 August 1996: a Gulfstream III of the Danish Air Force crashed during final approach to Vágar Airport in bad weather and poor visibility. Nine people, including the Chief of Defence Jørgen Garde and his wife, perished as the aircraft collided with high terrain surrounding the airport.
1989: an Atlantic Airlines BAe 146 aircraft failed to stop at the end of the runway and was subsequently out of service for 3 weeks.
26 September 1970: Icelandair Fokker F27 originating in Copenhagen with a stopover in Bergen Norway. The flight from Bergen to Vágar Airport crashed in bad weather on Mykines. Eight of the 34 passengers lost their lives, and the badly wounded were airlifted away by helicopter. A marble memorial was placed in the Church."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%A1gar_Airport

http://www.slv.dk/Dokumenter/dsweb/G...cument-616/EK_AD_2_EKVG-ADC_en.pdf

Anders



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User currently offlinekcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3847 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 23350 times:

Growing up around CRW, these lists always amuse me. SAN... come on.

User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7266 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 23310 times:

Quoting kcrwflyer (Reply 23):
SAN... come on.

Its a bit of a difficult approach especially for planes like 757 or 777.

Also the DCA river approach is not simple. Have to make sure you avoid the restricted airspace.



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25 kcrwflyer : At the end of the day It's a straight in approach to a long runway. Yes DCA is tricky.
26 330guy : The runway is not that long (9,401ft), and add to that the severly displaced threshold (1,810ft) making it 7591ft for landing. Certiantly long enough
27 Maverick623 : Not quite. Back in the day, BA operated a 777 LHR-PHX-SAN, and turned around and did SAN-PHX-LHR. This was as scheduled, not due to any length restri
28 kcrwflyer : 9,400ft. isnt that long!? Thats ample length for EVERYTHING except a TATL departure. If 9400 isnt that long then I never realized how many airports h
29 Cadet985 : That's actually something I'd like to see in the next version of Flight Simulator....ATC warnings about restricted airspace, permission to fly throug
30 THEBATMAN : Probably one of the hardest trips I've ever done in FlightSim: Lukla, Nepal (VNLK) to Paro Airport in Bhutan (VQPR) in an A320. Might have been easier
31 Cadet985 : I've seen 747s flying out of TNCM in pictures and on TV. However when I tried this myself, I found the runway much too short. What did I do wrong?
32 THEBATMAN : Right off the bat, I would guess that your flap setting was wrong, or your elevator trim was not set properly. Also, what were your fuel and payload
33 kcrwflyer : Probably flaps, trip, and weight...weight likely being the biggest goof up. That one is tricky. I've had everything up to the 75 in there.
34 Post contains links contrails15 : Canarsie Approach into JFK. I see at least 3 or 4 go arounds a week and thats in perfect weather. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZXgIVkI8gQ Just foll
35 Post contains links Lemmy : Not sure about this. According to the VOR approach plate (http://tiles.skyvector.com/sky/files/tpp/1108/pdf/00373L27.PDF), the descent angle from the
36 9LFlyGuy : you could try KCRW. Short runway on top of mountain.
37 YYZatcboy : CYTZ. If winds are blowing from the north and you are doing the steep ILS to 26 you get all sorts of mechanical turbulence from the buildings. It's al
38 airbalticfan : Quito is one on my favs, if you get a chance, follow all published procedures and give it a try, you will not be disapointed!
39 kcrwflyer : FS butchered the terrain.. doesn't do us justice.
40 steffenbn : Seriously, I don't get why every one says that SXM as a difficult airport to land in! There are (mostly) no obstacles!! -Steffen Nielsen
41 Maverick623 : Huh? At one end of the runway there's a rather busy beach, and at the other there's more water then mountains. Not to mention that the runway is only
42 Post contains images CharlieNoble : Steffen I think it's because pilots have to focus on the runway instead of the ladies on the beach
43 bristolflyer : Sedona, AZ is pretty tough if you approach from the east - even if you follow the 'altitude lights' by the side of the runway you can miss the runway
44 Post contains images steffenbn : Didn't think about that! Well it might be true, 'cause women are the biggest obstacles in this world!! Espacially when in "Summer Suit" (read as sarc
45 Post contains links JohnKrist : Well, that's incorrect, 19 fatalities in 2001: http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20010324-0 And, let's not forget our fellow spotter
46 8b775zq : 19 fatalities from one (1) aircraft (dhc6) which crashed while on approach to the airport. Which as far as I know is the only fatal crash at that air
47 Post contains images johnkrist : Got a spare bed?
48 chrisco1204 : Ocean Ridge Airport (E55) in Gualala California is extremely difficult to land in. It is parallel to the coastline with a very narrow runway that has
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