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User currently offlineBAe146QT From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2006, 996 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 6 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 13046 times:

Hello all.

As much as I like practicing familiar routes and approaches in FS9, I'd really like to do a round-the-world trip, starting at London Gatwick, and heading east. Or west. Or whatever. Just to see a bit more of the "world".

Do you have any interesting routes or airports you think should be in my itinerary? I've seen that people have done this before here, but they were years ago and my criteria are a little different;

1) Doesn't have to be the same equipment for each leg, but I'm restricting myself to BAe146-200, 737-700 and 757-200, (mainly because those are the aircaft I I'm competent with, and because it'll make the ocean legs - particularly the Pacific - more interesting). This will restrict me to a maximum of around 4000NM for each hop.

2) I'm happy to zig-zag around Europe, and would like to include GVA.

3) I want to touch every continent except Antarctica.

I have some in mind, like VHHH - RJTT, but am coming up dry elsewhere. Please let me know what you think!


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User currently offlinespeedbird217 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2012, 340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 13049 times:

By far the hardest part of this tour is to find a flight with your restricted fleet of 737, 757 and BAE146 to and from Gatwick. The only one I could find was from LGW to NUE, sorry for that. Also it's hard to leave Nuremberg again and go to GVA on your equipment, so there are a few detours in the beginning. It includes all continents, even though you will not have the chance to spend a lot of time in all of them (e.g. Africa is only one stop).

Anyway, I came up with the following. It's not the biggest world-tour, but you still get around quite a bit. I assumed you can also fly the B738 and B736, since it's basically the same as the B737 and you have a ton more options that way. Sorry mate, but you will have to fly back to LHR in my itinerary. I don't wanna route you through Nuremberg again on the way back.  

The routing would be the following:
LGW-NUE-DUS-ARN-GVA-TLV-ADD-DXB-DEL-BKK-PVG-NRT-GUM-CNS-SYD-AKL-NAN-HNL-LAX-MIA-CCS-AUA-IAD-KEF-LHR

It looks like this:
http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/o593/madmax15787/rtw.jpg

And here's the link to the NGCM:
http://bit.ly/I0tzuz

It would only be B737, B738, B736 (only from DUS to ARN, just because we have to go from LGW to GVA somehow) and B752. If you want, I can give you the flight numbers, I searched flightaware.com and flightstats.com for the real-world flight connections between the cities.
If you are willing to start in LCY instead of LGW, you could use a direct Swiss flight with Avro RJ and avoid all the detouring.

[Edited 2012-04-20 12:34:28]

User currently offlineBAE146QT From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2006, 996 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 12933 times:

I am absolutely blown away by this. Completely speechless.  Wow!

Do you mean that you actually pulled information for real flights with the correct equipment? That is staggering - all I was going to do was make up fictional flights that fitted the nature of the aircraft available and then fly, ignoring whether anyone actually flew those routes.

The fact you went to those lengths is absolutely astounding, so now I absolutely have to fly the route. I would be insulting you if I didn't, after you went to all that effort. Thank you.

Seriously, you people!  



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User currently offlinespeedbird217 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2012, 340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 12920 times:

Haha, that was actually fun to do that. You're right though, something must be wrong with us. 
But seriously, it didn't take too long. I always search these two sites for my FS-flights, since I only fly real-world routes.
If you can't find some flights, let me know. There can be some sneaky little flight-numbers sometimes, only operating on certain days of the week or so.

You don't have to fly that just for me, mate! I wouldn't be insulted, after all YOU should have fun flying it. That was just to give you some ideas. But even better if you like it. Would love to see some screenshots of your tour!


User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 36
Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 12882 times:

BAE, I tend to be an RW addict - the only difference being that I tend to do it in small props rather than jets, giving me much less range. I've made it round in all sorts of short-range types (even a Hawker Hurricane on one occasion!); though I currently mostly use Robert Christopher's lovely Lancair Legacy, which gives me up to (or even a bit over) 2,000nm. range with careful fuel management. Another difference is that I keep careful records and usually aim at completing the RW trip within five days; a bit of a challenge in most props.

An alternative to choosing favourite airports is first of all to plot the Great Circle Route and then select airports that are reasonably close to it. You'll find that the GC route includes a pretty comprehensive range of interesting destinations anyway!

The only snag is that the FS Flight Planner only goes halfway round the world before it 'doubles back'; so you'll need to plan the trip in two parts. My own 'normal practice' (starting from Melbourne) is to plot the first trip from Melbourne to the 'traditional' trans-atlantic starting-point (St. John's, Newfoundland), and then 'skip ahead' to the UK and plan the other half.

My current 'in progress' trip has so far included Tontouta, New Caledonia; Faleolo, Samoa; Honolulu, Hawaii; and San Francisco, California - next stop is Duluth, Minnesota, then St. John's. Then I plan to go on to the UK, Mediterranean, North Africa/Middle East, Sri Lanka, Cocos Islands, Perth, and home. Of course that is pretty well the exact Great Circle route - with no time pressure, plus the extra speed and range of a jet, you can zigzag any way you want, as speedbird217 suggests. But I find that it helps to start off with a 'basic plan' based on the GC.

To get that, just 'place' the aeroplane at your starting airport, call up the filight planner, and set up a complete route to an airport a little less than halfway round! Then select your chosen intermediate airports and click on them to add them to the route. Unless, like me, you're interested in setting a good time, you can of course plan in as many zigzags as you like. Save that as 'ROUTE1' and then move the aeroplane to the last destination, call up the planner again, and plan 'ROUTE2' (to somewhere a bit short of your home airport) and save that.

No need to include ALL the places you'd like to visit on the first trip. I expect that you'll find, like most of us, that RW trips are 'addictive' - there's always the NEXT one to include any OTHER airports you fancy visiting.........  

[Edited 2012-04-22 22:38:48]


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User currently offlineBAE146QT From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2006, 996 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 15 hours ago) and read 12834 times:

Thanks again guys, this is absolutely brilliant. I'm just about to head off to Nuremburg...

::EDIT:: Using Jon Murchison's beautiful BAE146-200 in BA livery, and the incredible BAe Project's panel.

NAV20, I use FSPassengers, (to measure success or failure, and to keep some sort of track of what I've been flying) so each flight has to stand on its own. It doesn't really allow for multi-section routes or legs as such. I suppose your method could still work for initial planning though, so I'll give that a go when I come back clockwise!

[Edited 2012-04-23 10:07:53]


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User currently offlineUPS707 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 360 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 12712 times:

Another option you could do is to use a real world Boeing Delivery flight out of BFI which could take you into one of many countries in Asia, or Australia going westbound. MAJ is a fun airport to fly through, and alot of the delivery flights go through there. If you can find your way into SDF, you could hop a UPS B752 in to BFI to start that journey. If you're interested in details of some of the real-world deliveries, let me know. I enter them as "Bid Flights" for my VA, so I have details of about every Boeing/Airbus or Embraer aircraft delivered, although it sounds like you're only going to be interested in the B73x deliveries out of BFI.

User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 36
Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 12713 times:

Quoting BAE146QT (Reply 5):
It doesn't really allow for multi-section routes or legs as such. I suppose your method could still work for initial planning though

Sorry, BAE, didn't make my point clear. Yes, of course every individual flight has to be planned in detail before starting. The idea of the 'ROUTE' plans is to just get an idea of likely distances/times for the whole trip. Helps me in particular because I have to keep the trips down to about 2,000nms. max. - plus, of course, not using a pressurised aeroplane with oxygen, I often have to go round mountains instead of over them.  

One suggested change to speedbird's route though - I'd strongly recommend that you choose Honolulu/San Francisco rather than LAX. LAX is a well-organised airport but the LA 'scenery' (even though I have family there) isn't a patch on SFO! I was lucky on this trip, had daylight at both ends; this may give you an idea on why that trip shouldn't be missed! Also shows what a nice model that Lancair is!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7H_q3OvxoA&feature=youtu.be

Enjoy your trip and keep us posted.

[Edited 2012-04-24 23:16:18]


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User currently offlineBAE146QT From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2006, 996 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 12556 times:

Thanks again guys - this has really given me a lot to think about, and some great variables to stir in the mix.

I agree with you entirely over LAX/SFO - I prefer to fly out of SFO for trans-continental flights for exaclty the same reasons.

Anyway, I tend to only get one flight in per day, and this evening finds me at Addis Abbaba. So off to Dubai I go...



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User currently offlineBAE146QT From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2006, 996 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 12388 times:

Quoting UPS707 (Reply 6):
...although it sounds like you're only going to be interested in the B73x deliveries out of BFI.

Not at all! If you have some interesting delivery routes, I'd love to fly them - I just might not do them in the correct equipment. I love my 757 and I'm so sorry to see that POsky disbanded.   

So today I went from Delhi to Bangkok. But my destination was VTBD, not VTBS. Since the forum software recognises VTBS and gives it a name, I guess my FS2004 install might need an update.

Is VTBS a newer airport?



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User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 36
Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 12350 times:

Quoting BAE146QT (Reply 9):
Is VTBS a newer airport?

Too right, BAE - opened 2006, long after FS2004 was developed!   Interesting, though, that public opinion eventually resulted in the old one, Mueang, being re-opened for domestic and 'local/international' flights - and I believe that it still 'deputises' for VTBS on occasion, since the new airport had a great deal of trouble with runway cracks early on.......

'For information,' managed my most recent eastbound RW trip well within my self-imposed five-day schedule - actually 4 days 17 hours. Just as well that I'm not superstitious, as usual the trip boiled down to thirteen legs......   Now planning another westbound one.

I don't know whether winds bother people who fly in the stratosphere unduly, but they're an important factor for me. They can make the difference between 200 knots and 250! Generally speaking, within about 20 degrees latitude either side of the Equator, you can usually count on (fairly light) winds from the east - further north or south you can expect increasingly-strong westerlies.

Starting from Australia, on eastbound trips, that boils down to heading pretty sharply north early on, and getting the benefit of the northern hemisphere 'Roaring Forties' as soon as I can; following the Great Circle route pretty closely. Conversely, heading west, I head north only until I get close to the Equator, and then tend to stay in the '20s' latitudes, hopefully with light winds from the east, as long as I can.

That means that, westbound, I need a totally-different route to give me the best chance of 'within five days' - usually going across Central Africa, crossing the Atlantic via Ascension Island (another bit of 'magic' scenery!), and then heading north to Southern and Central America. After that I have a difficult choice - either heading north-west to rejoin my 'favourite leg' (SFO-HNL), or doing a long southerly trip, via the Galapagos Islands and Sala y Gomez (at about 30 degrees south, off Chile), and coming home flying due west via Tahiti, Fiji, Auckland etc.

All 'adds interest' - though I don't manage 'within five days' every time, especially westbound.........



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User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 37
Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 12347 times:

I used to do this all the time with Concorde back in the old days. One route was:

Lisbon > Santo-Domingo > Acapulco > Honolulu > Guam (Andersen AFB) > Bangkok > Bahrain > Lisbon

Used F-BTSD for that tour, did it in very fast time, but not as quick as in the real world when Claude Delorme & Jean Boye flew the real plane in 1992 on that route.

All of your RTW flying would be satisfied by this excellent site:

http://www.wingnet.org/rtw/RTW008.HTM

Well researched with great info. There are all kinds of RTW flights listed there - some of them small planes, the majority of them Concorde (since it did so many world-tours).

I also did some double-RTW tours as well. Those were a bit long.  Wink

[Edited 2012-05-01 21:56:18]

User currently offlineKevinL1011 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2964 posts, RR: 47
Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 12259 times:

Quoting cpd (Reply 11):
I used to do this all the time with Concorde back in the old days.

I remember that and will never forget. You stood that Concorde on her tail and launched her as if every PAX had an iron stomach!

I also remember EDICHC was flying the "Koru Tiki" (did I get that right?) around the world.
Find that thread if you need inspiration.
Good times mates.  



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User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 37
Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 12241 times:

Quoting KevinL1011 (Reply 12):
I remember that and will never forget.

Actually, even before that - and before I joined this site.  


User currently offlineBAE146QT From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2006, 996 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 12180 times:

I really appreciate all the anecdotes and suggestions here - many thanks for posting in my humble little thread.

So today I am flying from Narita to Guam. It's mostly over the ocean and has a journey time - in my 757 - of about 3 hours. Speedbird217 - who on Earth flies this route in real life, and what is the actual equipment they use? If it's the 757, they must be right on the edge of 180 minute ETOPS?



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User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 36
Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 12152 times:

Quoting BAE146QT (Reply 14):
who on Earth flies this route in real life

Welcome to the Pacific, BAE!  

The very first thing you'll notice is that there's an awful lot of sea, and a severe shortage of land (until you get to Oz, anyway). And that, therefore, what land there is is very intensively used. Guam was a Spanish colony until 1899, when it was taken by the United States after the Spanish-American War. Since then it has been a US Territory, apart from a few years during WW2 when it was captured by the Japanese (recaptured by US forces in 1944). Even nowadays its strategic importance can't be over-emphasised - especially now that the Japanese are pressing the USA to relinquish the last of its bases in Japan, causing it to establish more and more resources on Guam (and support bases in Australia) to carry out increasingly-necessary 'China-watching.'

Beyond that, Guam (which has a population of only around 200,000) has established quite a good tourist industry - about 1M. tourists a year, mostly from Japan and Korea. Being close to the Equator, Guam can offer the usual 'tropical paradise' amenities, in the form of beaches, 'mountains,' resort hotels, clip-joints etc. Plus not a few very tidy military cemeteries to visit......

All this has distinct advantages for we flight-simmers - even though the island is only about 30 miles long, you'll have the choice of two fully-equipped airports - the civil one, Guam Intl., or the USAF's massive Andersen Air Force Base. Take your pick......  

Good that you're making such good progress, well done for sticking at it - 'see you' in Australia soon!  



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User currently offlinespeedbird217 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2012, 340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 12132 times:

Wow, thanks for the history lesson NAV20! I always found the Pacific to be very interesting when it comes to history, especially WWII. If you look at how many men gave their life in battles for ridiculously small islands like Wake Island, Midway, Iwo Jima, you learn their strategic importance to both sides back then...

BAE146QT, you wouldn't believe it but there are 11 scheduled flights between NRT and GUM today alone that I can find on flightstats.com. Here's only a little selection, there are even some more:

DL290 - B757
JL941 - B767
DL648 - B757
UA827 - B777
UA7 - B738
DL96 - B767
UA1878 - B738
UA874 - B777

Hope you're enjoying your tour! Nice too see you making such good progress.


User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 36
Reply 17, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 12027 times:

Quoting speedbird217 (Reply 16):
If you look at how many men gave their life in battles for ridiculously small islands like Wake Island, Midway, Iwo Jima, you learn their strategic importance to both sides back then...

Yes indeed.......... Blowing the Australian trumpet a bit, the Australians were actually the first people to stop the Japanese, in early 1942 in Papua New Guinea. The Japanese 'masterplan' was actually to capture the place (especially the only port, Port Moresby), so that they could blockade Australia and deprive the Allies of any base from which to 'win back' the Pacific.

Australia had to 'go it alone' for some months. What was worse, most of their 'proper' soldiers, sailors, and airmen were busy in Europe, the Mediterranean, and North Africa. Dealing with Rommel among other things, the El Alamein battles were in full swing at the time! So it fell to the 'militia' battalions (part-timers in theory, enlisted only for 'home defence') to do most of the job of stopping the Japanese on the 'Kokoda Track'; at first, anyway.

Looking around for an account to send you, I happened on this documentary, which the Australian Army put together while a lot of veterans on both sides were still alive and able to tell their stories. Hope it's of interest:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oScT3WhCk8w

[Edited 2012-05-07 05:53:45]


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User currently offlinespeedbird217 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2012, 340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 12014 times:

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 17):

Thanks a lot! That's a really interesting piece of documentary. Plus it keeps me from writing on my Bachelor Thesis...that's always good... 


User currently offlineBAE146QT From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2006, 996 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 11953 times:

Well, my last flight was to Cairns, and I'm now off to Sydney.

I know there's loads of reasons to hate the Mercator map projection, but the biggest one for me at the moment is that it just doesn't do justice to how fraking big Australia really is.

Thank you all again. Not only am I 'going' places I never would have before, but I'm learning about them along the way. If only I had the time and money to do this for real...



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User currently offlineBAE146QT From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2006, 996 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 11952 times:

Oh - and yes, I am screenshotting like a maniac!

Seems that most of my detailed scenery is based on Western Europe and the US. This. Must. Change.



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User currently offlinespeedbird217 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2012, 340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 11914 times:

Quoting BAE146QT (Reply 19):
Thank you all again. Not only am I 'going' places I never would have before, but I'm learning about them along the way. If only I had the time and money to do this for real...

I know exactly what you're talking about. I learned so much during my many sim flights, because I always check out background info on the place I go to on wikipedia, Google Earth and look at real pictures. It's fun and educative.

Quoting BAE146QT (Reply 20):
Seems that most of my detailed scenery is based on Western Europe and the US. This. Must. Change.

Well, for Australia there is no way around this freeware pearl: http://aussiex.org/forum/index.php?/files/file/502-voz-18-complete/

It includes the whole continent of Australia in stunning detail: airports, landclass, roads, cities...anything! And it's free.
The VOZ-team is mainly what evolved into today's ORBX, which produces probably the best FSX-sceneries out there. But I'm a die-hard FS9-simmer, so I only saw pictures of ORBX in FSX...
Also Godzone just released their former payware sceneries for New Zealand as freeware on avsim.com. In case you want to go to New Zealand any time soon...

[Edited 2012-05-09 06:56:10]

User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 36
Reply 22, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 11890 times:

Quoting BAE146QT (Reply 19):
Not only am I 'going' places I never would have before, but I'm learning about them along the way.

Guess you're a full-fledged RW addict now, BAE!   Welcome to the club.........

Quoting BAE146QT (Reply 20):
Oh - and yes, I am screenshotting like a maniac!

I've started doing short videos now (using Fraps). That's addictive too - and gives me the opportunity to show you one of my favourite destinations - Ascension Island in the South Atlantic:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CLc3LfdkJk

Wouldn't be like me not to include some history. The island was discovered by the Portuguese in the early 1500s - and the guy who found it (actually on Ascension Day) pulled off a remarkable 'hole in one' by naming the island so as to commemorate both the date and its very scenic appearance.......  

The British established a naval base/supply station there in 1815, after discovering that, unlike most volcanic islands, it had plenty of fresh springwater. During WW2 the Allies added a military airfield (largely because, like me in the Lancair, a lot of the aircraft of the time didn't have the range to cross, still less patrol, the wastes of the South Atlantic. In fact, I discover that the airfield ('Wide-Awake,' named after some noisy birds that inhabit the place and wake everyone up at the crack of dawn!) ) is still a functioning RAF Station, not a civil airport. Came in quite useful even after WW2; without their base there the British would never have been able to deal with the Argentinian invasion of the Falklands in 1982.

By all means visit Ascension, anyone who cares to. Only snag is that although the runway is long (10,000 feet) and fully-lit at night, it has no ILS, nor does it have a functioning GPS approach; so all landings have to be carried out using the 'Mark One eyeball').

Hope you enjoy 'virtual Australia,' BAE - I can't quarrel with Speedbird's selection of Sydney, IMO in scenic terms it beats all other Aussie airports.   As a matter of interest, soon after you leave Auckland you'll cross 180 degrees of longitude - since you started from pretty well right on the Greenwich Meridian (zero longitude) that will mark your 'official' halfway point.

[Edited 2012-05-09 22:39:30]


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User currently offlinespeedbird217 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2012, 340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 11861 times:

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 22):

You Sir just gave me the idea for one of my next flights. It's gonna be RAF Brize Norton to RAF Ascension and on to RAF Mount Pleasant. I was waiting for a long time now to put my C-17 to use, and what better way would there be but to fly the MoD's South Atlantic Air Bridge flights for the RAF. Thanks, and also for the info on Ascension. I always enjoy to learn about new places.


User currently offlineBAE146QT From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2006, 996 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 11716 times:

Only have time for a brief post, (and certainly no time for a flight) but wanted to say thanks again for all the informative stuff. And a special thanks to Speedbird for the Aussie scenery link! When I have a few hours spare, I'll set that downloading.  


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User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 36
Reply 25, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 11689 times:

Quoting speedbird217 (Reply 23):
You Sir just gave me the idea for one of my next flights.

Great, speedbird217 - 'glad to be of service,' sounds like a very challenging trip, let us know how you get on!

Quoting BAE146QT (Reply 24):
wanted to say thanks again for all the informative stuff.

Pleasure, BAE146QT, look forward to hearing that you've made it round.

Have to announce a disappointment for me. Westbound RW trips from Australia are always tricky because you can't avoid spending quite a lot of time close to the westerly 'Roaring Forties,' in the Southern Hemisphere anyway. On the very last leg (Auckland/Melbourne) I ran out of luck and had strong headwinds all the way - plus dear old Melbourne was 'IFR,' 'socked in' by rain and cloud, and the tower routed me way to the north-east before letting me line up and land.

Net result, after 14 legs, was a trip-time of 5 days 42 minutes. Disappointing, but my personal approach of aiming for 'within five days' keeps me interested; I have to fail occasionally, or there'd be no challenge next time..........

[Edited 2012-05-14 21:06:42]


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User currently offlineBAE146QT From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2006, 996 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 11637 times:

I just came in to say that Fiji to Honolulu (NFFN-PHNL) is a long old slog. I kept my passengers fed, watered and entertained, but completely overestimated how much fuel I needed.

Not only that, but I've never been more glad to have time acceleration - sorry, I do use it!

Anyway, here's me taking off from Guam the other day in my trusty 757-200...

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/orion4000_cjp/757-200overGuam1Small.jpg



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User currently offlinespeedbird217 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2012, 340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 11637 times:

Quoting BAE146QT (Reply 26):

So that's where BA retired its 757's...!  
Great to see you making such good progress and keeping us in the loop.
I agree, Trans-Pacific-flying can be really boring at times. It seems you're in the final stages already of your RTW-tour!


User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 36
Reply 28, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 11579 times:

Quoting BAE146QT (Reply 26):
Anyway, here's me taking off from Guam the other day in my trusty 757-200...

Sorry mate, can't resist asking! Did you really make it all the way from Guam to Cairns with only 18% fuel (as shown in the screenshot)?  
Quoting BAE146QT (Reply 26):
I've never been more glad to have time acceleration - sorry, I do use it!

No need to apologise - I'm sure that we ALL do, especially 'over-ocean.' One wave looks very much like another after the first hour or two..........

Well done for keeping at it. Hope HNL-SFO is as scenic as it usually is........ at the beginning and the end of the trip, anyway.



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User currently offlineBAE146QT From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2006, 996 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 11427 times:

That's weird - I would have sworn that was a takeoff shot but it must have been an approach. Sadly I only captured the main window so I have no idea what was happening on the other screen, (with ATC, flap position, etc).

Either it was a landing, or I decided after the real flight to take off again and get some glamour shots with no passengers aboard. Either is equally likely but please don't take it as a cheat!

Anyway, here's a definitely genuine takeoff shot from Miami, heading to Caracas;



Totally unrelated, but I love this pic of my BA World Cargo 747-200 somewhere over Bali. I don't do a lot of night flying, but that really is quite some sunset;




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User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 36
Reply 30, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 11312 times:

Lovely sunset shot, BAE. The Pacific can really 'turn it on' in terms of scenery sometimes - I'm lucky here to have it on my doorstep.

No question of 'cheating,' only joking. Though early on I did sometimes simply forget to refuel, and 'took off light.' Do you find yourself 'making rules' to follow yet? My rule in that case has always been that I have to land back and fill up - which, of course, could make quite a mess of my beloved 'RW within five days' target in the early days!

Even made a new one recently! I mentioned that I assume that 'we' (I also assume that I have a co-pilot) are carrying an hour's worth of oxygen each, so that we can temporarily go up from 8,500 feet to 12,500 in places (like crossing the Rockies east of SFO) where there's no other way. I've now 'extended' that rule so that, even though there are no high points on a given route, I can use the oxygen to go up to 12,500 feet for an hour. The Lancair makes around 220 knots in still air at 8,500; at 12,500 that goes up to about 250 (often more, since the wind tends to be stronger at height too), which tends to keep the flight-time down.

I also make it a rule to allow a full hour between stopping at the gate and starting to taxi out again - to allow for checks, refuelling etc.

All those 'rules' have just landed me in a bit of a nervy situation. I'm currently at Colombo in Sri Lanka, on an eastbound RW trip. On the flight planner (at 220 knots) the last three flights, via the Cocos Islands and Meekatharra, Western Australia, to Melbourne, add up to almost exactly seven hours each. Plus two stops makes that an estimated 23 hours.

Trouble is, my takeoff time, after the 'refuelling hour,' will be just about exactly at zero hours at the beginning of Day Five! Let's hope that I have luck with the winds, can make full use of the 'oxygen hour,' and get nice easy 'straight-in' clearances!  

Looks like you're very close to completing your first RW flight now. Well done, let us know when you get home!



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User currently offlineBAE146QT From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2006, 996 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 11134 times:

Made it!

I completed my final leg from Reykjavik to Gatwick on Thursday (but have been tied up with work and mundane domestic stuff since then). According to my log, I now have 466 hours in the 757.


As for rules, I don't follow any that I've made up myself. I use the commercially-available plug-in I mentioned in reply #5, which penalises you for things like leaving the landing lights on above 10k feet, not setting your barometer correctly, wrong flap settings, etc. I fly it in career mode, meaning that actions on one flight can have an impact on your company's reputation (and your own).

How did you get on with the last day of your 5-day trip?



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User currently offlinespeedbird217 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2012, 340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 32, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 11098 times:

Quoting BAE146QT (Reply 31):
Made it!

I completed my final leg from Reykjavik to Gatwick on Thursday (but have been tied up with work and mundane domestic stuff since then). According to my log, I now have 466 hours in the 757.

Congrats! Hope you had a good time.
I would love to do another RTW. But these days I only get to fly some short legs every once in a while...sadly the real world keeps me busy 


User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 37
Reply 33, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 11085 times:

Quoting speedbird217 (Reply 21):
Also Godzone just released their former payware sceneries for New Zealand as freeware on avsim.com. In case you want to go to New Zealand any time soon...

I'll have to grab those.

I'm now doing a RTW flight myself. My progress so far:

Sydney - Noumea
Noumea - Honolulu
Honolulu - Anchorage
Anchorage - Thule AFB

Still to go:
Thule AFB - London
London - Dubai
Dubai - Denpasar
Denpasar - Sydney


User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 36
Reply 34, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 11035 times:

Quoting BAE146QT (Reply 31):
Made it!

Terrific, BAE - a real achievement, especially given the long and challenging route you chose. Congratulations.

Quoting BAE146QT (Reply 31):
How did you get on with the last day of your 5-day trip?

"Piece of cake, old boy......"   The winds behaved themselves and I made it home with an hour and 35 minutes of the five days to spare. Taking a break before I have another go at five days - westbound this time, that's always more difficult timewise because of the 'roaring forties.'

Quoting cpd (Reply 33):
I'm now doing a RTW flight myself.

Welcome to the 'club,' cpd, good luck with it.



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User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 37
Reply 35, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 11006 times:

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 34):

Welcome to the 'club,' cpd, good luck with it.

Thanks.  I'm an old member of that club, just not on this forum. 

On another forum, in another time - I probably did around 5 or 6 RTW flights all with Concorde. I did both of the F-BTSD record-breaking east and west RTW charters. That was a very quick way to get around the world.

On top of that, factor in regular trips down to Barbados and Nassau and I spent a lot of time operating Concorde on the computer. We used to have a competition to see who could fly Concorde the highest. I think I held the record for a long time with 64,900ft - I don't think anyone has beaten that. It was done in very cold conditions on the way back from Barbados. Later, I did get 68,900ft - but it wasn't quite the same, I nosed the plane up manually to achieve that. The FL649 was with the normal MAX CLIMB / MAX CRUISE modes enabled.  

We also had a weather watch, where various people would watch out for very cold temperatures en-route - which were particularly useful for high flying.

Other than that, there was always huge rivalry to see who could cross the pond quickest. I only ever managed 2 hours 51 minutes once, and that was with a time-saving departure from Kennedy (no Canarsie Climb) and using the SL1 track going up the English Channel before turning north near the Isle of Wight. (St Catherine's Point)


User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7108 posts, RR: 12
Reply 36, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 10960 times:

Go into Queenstown in NZ, do it in a 737 from SYD or AKL and then go from there to NAN.

User currently offlineJoeyTaffy93 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2010, 203 posts, RR: 0
Reply 37, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 10841 times:
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This was an interesting read.  

I must participate in something like this for myself.   I currently have a virtual airline I created. Air Wales, I know there was an Air Wales before but I recreated it using a larger fleet for more European, Asian and North American destinations.

I think I'd use one of the trusty Boeing 767's for mine but the routing? I don't know yet. I'm going to do some research and and plan it from there.   Doesn't have to be real world though, one country I do want to fly through is Siberia/Russia.


User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 36
Reply 38, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 10719 times:

Quoting JoeyTaffy93 (Reply 37):
Doesn't have to be real world though, one country I do want to fly through is Siberia/Russia.

Hi, Joey, welcome to 'Airliners'.....

Unfortunately, a route from the UK through Siberia would make things a bit difficult in RW terms. There are few 'rules' about RW trips nowadays, but two of the most important are that you should visit both the northern and southern hemispheres, and that the total length of the trip should be around 22,000 miles. Otherwise, you'd just be taking a much shorter trip by staying in the northern hemisphere.

No such rules in FS of course! I'd recommend that you do your Russian trip first, going on to Alaska and the northern USA, and back to the UK. And then, having whetted your appetite, try a 'propah' RW trip after that.

As to a 'true' RW route, it's best to follow the 'Great Circle' route as closely as possible. In that connection, Australia is about as far south of the Equator as the UK is north of it; so it's pretty well bang on the GC route, and just about halfway round. They used to call this place 'the Antipodes,' meaning that Australia is almost exactly on the opposite side of the world from the UK!   So I'd recommend a visit!

My 'usual' Great Circle RW route (Melbourne-Melbourne, eastbound) is basically Fiji - Honolulu, Hawaii - San Francisco - St. John's, Newfoundland - Southampton, UK - Seeb, Oman - Colombo, Sri Lanka - Perth, Western Australia - and back to Melbourne. Since I'm addicted only to flying props, with max. ranges of only about 2,000nms., I have to be careful about distances and winds, so I often have to vary the route and insert extra stops (especially when westbound) - but you won't have to worry too much about that in a 767.

As for route planning, the FS flight planner only goes halfway round; but it works fine if you do the plan in two or three legs. Starting from the UK, I'd recommend that you flightplan and save three legs - UK to Colombo, Sri Lanka; then Colombo via Australia to San Francisco; then San Francisco back to the UK. That will give you the general idea of one possible Great Circle route; plenty of scope for 'variations on the theme' once you've got the general hang of it.

Hope all that helps. Keep us posted!

[Edited 2012-06-13 07:31:42]


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User currently offlineJoeyTaffy93 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2010, 203 posts, RR: 0
Reply 39, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10694 times:
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Thank you for the welcome.  

What was the screenshots posted above of people planning their route? If anyone can use it then I'll begin to plan out my route.

Could I not fly across Russia/Siberia down to Japan then over to Alaska, then cross downwards to South America before crossing over to Africa and back up?


User currently offlineSRQKEF From Iceland, joined Jun 2011, 886 posts, RR: 1
Reply 40, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10693 times:

I've just completed a RTW trip that speedbird217 set up for me (thanks, Max!) and am planning another. Questioning myself if I should ise real world flights or not...tough decision. One idea of mine is to fly to all the WC 2010 Football countries. Chile, Argentina, Uruguay, Paraguay, Brazil, Honduras, Mexico, USA, England, Portugal, Spain, France, Switzerland, Germany, Netherlands, Denmark, Slovakia, Greece, Serbia, Croatia, Slovenia, Italy, Algeria, Ivory Coast, Nigeria, Cameroon, S-Africa, N-Korea, Korea Rep., Japan, Australia, New Zealand, Chile. (Routing in this order.) Sounds great when I think about it! To the planning board then...  

Cheers, Sveinn  



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User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 36
Reply 41, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 10539 times:

Quoting JoeyTaffy93 (Reply 39):
Could I not fly across Russia/Siberia down to Japan then over to Alaska, then cross downwards to South America before crossing over to Africa and back up?

Yes, of course you could, mate - as I said, there are no rules.   Only thing is, most of Africa is in the northern hemisphere, and in fact it's just about due south of the UK; so you'd be spending a lot of time flying virtually due south, and then back north again to get home. Alternatively, given the range of your 767 (about 6,000nms., as far as I know) you could, if you like, fly straight home from Anchorage (though I for one would stop to have a look at New York City on the way, it's pretty good scenically even on FS9). Then you could start another complete RW trip, this time getting to see the (also very scenic) Med and the Pacific (and also Africa and Australia if you wish).

Quoting SRQKEF (Reply 40):
One idea of mine is to fly to all the WC 2010 Football countries.

Looks like a terrific trip, SRQKEF, what a good idea! Take a while, though, even in a jet.

Have to report a 'stuffup' on my part! I still largely cling to my 'single-engined prop RW within five days' habit; and the time limit is that much more difficult westbound, because of a lot of time spent flying west into the prevailing winds. I usually refuel in the UK and then face a maximum-range (about 2,000nms.) trip to St. John's, Newfoundland. That means relatively low revs and lean mixture, especially early on in the trip, to make the distance. Last time, I decided to go via Lisbon, Portugal, instead; the trip distance is a bit less, under 1,900nms. However, when you go UK/St. John's, the wind is in your face at first, but halfway across it usually switches to the north and eventually comes right round to the east, and helps a lot late on in the flight.

I found out the hard way that staying that bit further south, via Lisbon, meant a headwind pretty well all the way! Made it across by using low revs and ultra-lean mixture, but it cost me three extra hours. And when I got back to Oz I found that I'd missed the five-day target by (you guessed it!) almost exactly three hours..........

Learned my lesson and had a good look at my route. I'd got in a bit of a rut. Found that relatively-slight amendments to my route (especially starting out for St. John's not from the UK but from Cork in Ireland; a nice city, actually my mother's home town) will give me five trips of only about 1,700nms. each - Cocos Islands, Trivandrum in India, Doha in Qatar, Cork, and St. John's. So no likely fuel problems; and according to the flight planner, even allowing for an hour's refuelling at each stop, I have quite a good chance of reaching North America from Melbourne (almost the halfway point) in only 48 hours. I'll give that a try soon.........  



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