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User currently offlinelmml 14/32 From Malta, joined Jan 2001, 2565 posts, RR: 6
Posted (2 years 7 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 10077 times:

I am doing my PPL and am having problems flying steep turns slow flight using the natural outside horizon to maintain my altitude. My problem is that I don't know where the horizon should be with reference to the engine cowl and I keep under/overshooting the bank angle and porpoising a lot to stay maintain a steady altitude. Can anyone suggest a web site with pics on how the horizon should look like in a steep bank?

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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21864 posts, RR: 55
Reply 1, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 10004 times:

It's going to depend on what type of airplane you're flying, so I don't think we can point you to any one site. But next time you go flying, ask your instructor to fly the airplane while you take your own pictures.

-Mir



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User currently offlinegingersnap From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2010, 898 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9981 times:

As Mir said it depends upon the aircraft you're flying.

I only have hours on C152 only so I only know that aircraft. It's just about hand-eye co-ordination and feeling the aircraft as you execute the turn. I remember as a young budding pilot being surprised at quite how much back pressure needed to be applied to keep the aircraft level.

I can't give you an exact answer as due to lack of funds (child x2) I haven't flown in a year or two. But I do seem to remember the horizon being around 60% up from right to left when in a steep right hand turn.
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User currently offlinelmml 14/32 From Malta, joined Jan 2001, 2565 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (2 years 7 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 9915 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 1):
ask your instructor to fly the airplane while you take your own pictures.

Thank you. Now why did this not occur to me?


User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3255 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (2 years 7 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 9879 times:

For Steep turns, use the bug splatters on the windscreen to your advantage. Pick one closest to your line of sight (one straight ahead and at your eye level). Note its location relative to the horizon before beginning, and keep it there for the duration of the maneuver. Works great for rolling into the opposite turn, as it will be in the same location relative to the horizon. This works across a wide range of airplanes, so no need to memorize locations on an engine cowl for each aircraft.

The first part of this video shows what I mean:
http://www.ehow.com/video_4411869_make-steep-turn-airplane.html

Bug splatters are great for off field emergency landing practice as well. Once established at best glide speed, if the landing site seems to rise in relation to the bug smear, you will not make it. If the field remains stationary or descends relative to the bug smear, you have the distance to make it.

[Edited 2012-05-21 22:25:25]


FLYi
User currently offlinegingersnap From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2010, 898 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (2 years 7 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 9826 times:

Quoting PITrules (Reply 4):
Bug splatters are great for off field emergency landing practice as well. Once established at best glide speed, if the landing site seems to rise in relation to the bug smear, you will not make it. If the field remains stationary or descends relative to the bug smear, you have the distance to make it.

That is actually fantastic. I'll need to use that when practising in the future.



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User currently offlinelmml 14/32 From Malta, joined Jan 2001, 2565 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 9651 times:

Quoting PITrules (Reply 4):
For Steep turns, use the bug splatters on the windscreen to your advantage.

Great advice. Tried it today and it worked perfectly. Thanks a million. Even my instructor was impressed by "my" idea.... 


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