Harmonium From Denmark, joined Feb 2012, 90 posts, RR: 0 Posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 16855 times:
Last night I attempted for quite a while to get a hold of the PMDG 738/739 for FS9. I found it on their website, but when I try to purchase it I get the error
"This product is no longer active in our catalog.
Look for another product or contact the store manager to let them know."
I have not been able to find the download on any other website. Has this product been withdrawn? Is there no way to get a hold of it? I've been thinking about getting it for quite some time, so it would really bug me if it were too late now.
There's some 7 years between the development of the PMDG 737 and the iFly and you REALLY see that in the Sim. It was good while it lasted and I have many, many hours on the old PMDG bird, but seriously, get the iFly
joffie From Australia, joined Mar 2006, 836 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 16672 times:
I guess they stopped selling it when it was no longer viable to support fs2004, and then the NGX came along.
You can still buy it cheaply from other sellers, but, as the previous poster already stated, better value to get the IFLY. I personally dont have it, but heard from many simmers it is indeed excellent.
FS9 is still widely used, but fsx has greater capabilities, and PMDG have already stated it is no longer going to be supported.
bueb0g From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2010, 708 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 16547 times:
Quoting Ps76 (Reply 3): Many people still use Fs9 (at least I do) becuase it's still a great sim.
It's alright, but it's pretty outdated by now. At this stage it's simply not worth it for PMDG to support the FS9 737, so it's been withdrawn. As previously stated, although it seems very fashionable for FS9 users to bash FSX (and I'm not going to pretend that FSX is perfect,) FSX has a huge increase in capabailities over FS9 - which is why PMDG are no longer releasing *any* aircraft for FS9, as simulations like the NGX would simply not be possible in the older system.
So, there are still 737s available for FS9 - I reccomend the iFly, it's really good and models the systems very nicely, but you really want to be thinking about moving up to FSX and getting the PMDG NGX if you want your 737 FS fix...
Harmonium is just coming from a very unenjoyable FSX-experience, so I doubt he will go back any time soon.
I have both (or should I say all "three") of the 737NG's available. The old PMDG 737 and the Ifly 737 for FS9, and the NGX for FSX. I can only use my NGX with acceptable performance if I fly somewhere in Antarctica. And then it looks worse than my highly-tuned FS9.
To be honest, I don't understand what all this fuzz about the NGX is about. Yes, it is a great plane! Yes, it has more features than you can ever imagine and the resolution of the textures is amazing.
But, do I see all of that when I just want to simulate a regular airliner flight from Boston to New York? No. If I want to do that, I honestly don't care if I can click the circuit breaker on a panel below the carpet or if I can replace the light bulb with my spare bulb from the case behind my seat (you see, I'm exaggerating a bit here, I admit. But you get the point...)
When it comes to flight dynamics, performance data and systems, the Ifly in FS9 and the NGX in FSX are not that different. Ifly just released a free Feature Pack for their product, which adds a lot of functions like vertical profile display on the ND. So the difference to the NGX even shrank a little further. Both products are programmed with original specs from Boeing, so the difference in flight behavior is probably in the 0,XX% area.
I love my Ifly in FS9. Great performance and great system simulation. And I won't switch to FSX any time soon. I'm not "bashing" FSX, but I am very happy with how my FS9 looks and performs. I fly IFR 99% of the time, so I don't really care if I can see cars on the highways or if there is more autogen around.
See for yourself, I doubt that FSX would look significantly different in this situation (except for half the FPS).
bueb0g From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2010, 708 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 16522 times:
Quoting speedbird217 (Reply 6): See for yourself, I doubt that FSX would look significantly different in this situation (except for half the FPS).
Firstly, that's an unfair comparison as you're using a fairly low rez picture. However, even there, I still see significant differences in terms of texture quality, object modelling, lighting, colour, and things such as water quality. Differences on the panels are very obvious. Sorry, but there's simply no way that you can actually say that FS9 looks as good as FSX; it simply doesn't. FS9 does its job but FSX does it better.
I entirely agree about the performance though - FSX is terribly optimised. You can, however, make significant improvements to the performance with fairly easy tweaks. I do totally understand though, if you decide to take FS9 over FSX because your performance on FSX is poor - that's reasonable. Just don't kid yourself into thinking it's better in any regard than FPS!
Quoting speedbird217 (Reply 6): But, do I see all of that when I just want to simulate a regular airliner flight from Boston to New York?
Yes... simulation is about immersion, so naturally, the more lifelike the simulation, the better it is. If I'm flying in a sim that *isn't* the NGX now I feel unfulfilled, as the knowledge that there are certain actions that I cannot do (for instance in the FMC), or that there are systems that are simply not modeled is always there - a constant reminder that all I am flying is a sim; not very helpful for immersion!
flymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7319 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 16486 times:
The NGX is in its own class of add ons. Ifly is great but the NGX is fantastic/amazing. PMDG works with Boeing, had unprecedented access to real 737s and Boeing materials. The software advancements are amazing. You can switch autopilot types with a few clicks from inside the cockpit, load fuel and passenger or decide so many different options. When ever I try to fly I'm FSX or FS9 with other addons it just does not feel the same. Again that being said for FS9 get the ifly much better than the PMDG 737 for FS9.
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