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New Airways Magazine Publisher  
User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Algeria, joined May 2002, 13937 posts, RR: 23
Posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 26109 times:

Just heard that Airways Magazine changed hands and has a new publisher. Anybody an idea about who the new publisher is -- and whether there will be changes ?

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User currently offlinesk736 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 602 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 26085 times:

I still can't find the March issue in the UK - I hope the new publisher can work out how to ship the magazine to the UK more quickly than the previous publisher could manage.

User currently onlinealberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3070 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 25996 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Thread starter):

Just heard that Airways Magazine changed hands and has a new publisher. Anybody an idea about who the new publisher is -- and whether there will be changes ?

Where did you hear that ? Can you please tell us who the new publisher is ? I hope they don't start screwing around with the format.

Combat Aircraft monthly and Air Forces monthly now have the same ownership as of a few months ago and so far there have been no major changes.



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User currently offlinepsa188 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 650 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 25341 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Thread starter):
Anybody an idea about who the new publisher is

I think it's a rumor. The May issue, which I just got, still says it's published by Airways International in Sandpoint ID.

I don't see anything on the website either:
http://www.airwaysmag.com/


User currently offlineUA767400 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 184 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 25213 times:

I think they meant Airliners. Airliners has had some issues in delivering the latest issues

Nothing has changed at Airways


User currently offlinepsa188 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 650 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (3 years 2 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 25113 times:

Quoting UA767400 (Reply 4):
Airliners has had some issues in delivering the latest issues


For the record, the publication "recently" renamed itself "Airliners & Airports," although use of the name was inconsistent as you can see at their website.

At last check, in mid-December, Airliners & Airports reportedly had an issue printed but held up "on the loading dock" for unspecified reasons. A quick check of http://www.airliners.tv/ shows the site still up showing the LH 747-8 issue as "current.

I have no inside information on this, but absent any response to sporadic emails in early 2013, I must conclude Airliners & Airports has most likely ceased publication.


User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3620 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (3 years 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 23808 times:

Quoting psa188 (Reply 5):
At last check, in mid-December, Airliners & Airports reportedly had an issue printed but held up "on the loading dock" for unspecified reasons. A quick check of http://www.airliners.tv/ shows the site still up showing the LH 747-8 issue as "current.

I have no inside information on this, but absent any response to sporadic emails in early 2013, I must conclude Airliners & Airports has most likely ceased publication.

I was about to call my credit card to get refunded for my subscription, but I figured I should call the magazine first to make sure they are in fact officially T.U.

To my surprise the call was answered, and I was told the same thing about a 'new' issue being held up on the loading dock. Probably missed some payments to the shipper. It was acknowledged the magazine is in default to its subscribers but I was told they are still officially in production. He then rambled on about how the publishing industry has changed since the launch of Airliners... even though there are actually more airline enthusiast magazines in print now than back then.



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User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2539 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 23561 times:

Quoting PITrules (Reply 6):
He then rambled on about how the publishing industry has changed since the launch of Airliners... even though there are actually more airline enthusiast magazines in print now than back then.

I think this is the reason Airliners is struggling.

When Airliners launched in 1988, the only magazines targeted at airline enthusiasts were World Airline Fleets and Propliner, both of which were targeted at small subsets of the airline enthusiast community.

Now, Airliners competes with Airways and Airliner World, as well as this website. Very few airline enthusiasts want (or can afford) to subscribe to all three of the "general interest" airline magazines. Too many of Airliners' articles recently have seemed to be written by the magazine's advertisers, and Airliners' publication schedule has become more erratic, so I think when enthusiasts have to decide which magazines to continue getting, and which magazines to drop, many are choosing to drop Airliners and keep Airways or Airliner World.

Although Propliner is the most expensive of the airline enthusiast magazines, I think the reason it has survived is because it has stayed narrowly focused on piston and turboprop aircraft, and articles about the subjects it covers are almost impossible to find elsewhere.



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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3620 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 23534 times:

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 7):
Too many of Airliners' articles recently have seemed to be written by the magazine's advertisers, and Airliners' publication schedule has become more erratic, so I think when enthusiasts have to decide which magazines to continue getting, and which magazines to drop, many are choosing to drop Airliners and keep Airways or Airliner World.

Exactly and I think this is the reason Airliners is failing. Its not the digital revolution, but poor internal decisions relating to the magazine's content which has alienated its readers.

Airliners was the first of the current bunch, so if they stayed true to their purpose then I don't see why they couldn't have defended their market share and be as successful as Airways and Airliner World.



FLYi
User currently offlineouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4676 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (3 years 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 23295 times:

Airliners just seems to be dead. Their Facebook page has been all but abandoned. Their website, as pointed out, is also out of date. I think its one of those situations where they just need to pack it in and call it good. Airways seems to be mostly stable right but that is probably thanks to their growing web properties. I finally decided to cut them loose this year. I normally always renew for 3 years but the value is gone. I get the news and stories much quicker online through various sources, that they really aren't needed anymore. I also find that they take too many liberties in push a bias, although subtle most of the time, in their storytelling that it is just a turn off. In one of the last couple issues I got, I got a chuckle of them saying Tom Horton is getting a promotion in the US/AA merger when we all know he's getting kicked to the curb - with a golden parachute of some sort of course (depending what they can get approved).

User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2539 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (3 years 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 23169 times:

Quoting PITrules (Reply 8):
Airliners was the first of the current bunch, so if they stayed true to their purpose then I don't see why they couldn't have defended their market share and be as successful as Airways and Airliner World.

Airways was launched after a disagreement among the founding owners / writers of Airliners over the magazine's strategic direction. Had the people responsible for Airliners' launch been able to agree on how the magazine would evolve, Airways would not exist.

Airliners' quality declined after Airways was launched, because many of Airliners' best writers started writing for Airways instead, and Airliners had to publish some weaker articles just to fill up space in the magazine.



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User currently offlinepsa188 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 650 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (2 years 10 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 22120 times:

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 10):
Airliners' quality declined after Airways was launched, because many of Airliners' best writers started writing for Airways instead, and Airliners had to publish some weaker articles just to fill up space in the magazine.

That happened initially, but then Airliners regained its footing, especially after Jon Proctor became editor sometime in the 1990s. The magazine stayed strong under subsequent editors David Kaufman and Jay Selman but ownership changes after that turned off some long time readers. Unfortunately, the current ownership couldn't make things work and that issue with the LH 747-8 on the cover probably will be the last. If the one supposedly on the loading dock last December ever appears, it will be a collector's item.

It's really a shame as I used to write for them.


User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3620 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 16120 times:

So I received the June issue of Airways magazine and was disappointed by major changes (actually a complete overhaul of the magazine). Airways was awesome for 20 years since the first issue, so for that reason alone I was disappointed - why fix what is not broken?

As I started to look closer at the magazine I saw that the offices were in Miami ("Oh no" I thought to myself as I know that is where the old Airliners was located). Sure enough, the new publisher and editor of Airways did work with Airliners, and the previous editor of Airliners is now on the staff of Airways. Nothing against those individuals on a personal basis, but the fact is Airliners went down hill real fast under their watch.

While the June issue is still good, I think it is quite a bit worse than the past couple years of Airways. I hope it does not continue to trend in that direction like Airliners did. Keeping my fingers crossed....


I have every issue of Airliners and Airways (as well as Airliner World and Airports of the World). Both magazines under John Wegg were outstanding, and I wish him the best going forward whether it is retirement or new endeavors.



FLYi
User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17800 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 16106 times:

Quoting PITrules (Reply 12):

Oh no, I just renewed my subscription for another 3 years, so hopefully it wont change to the worse.



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User currently onlinealberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3070 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 15945 times:

Quoting PITrules (Reply 12):
So I received the June issue of Airways magazine and was disappointed by major changes (actually a complete overhaul of the magazine)
Quoting PITrules (Reply 12):
While the June issue is still good, I think it is quite a bit worse than the past couple years of Airways

What exactly are these major changes that turned you off ?



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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3620 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 15928 times:

Quoting alberchico (Reply 14):

What exactly are these major changes that turned you off ?

Historical essays seem to have taken a back seat, the quality of many (not all) photos has decreased as there seems to be less resolution (printing process?), and there seems to be more wasted space.



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User currently offlinevin2basketball From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 352 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 15927 times:

http://airchive.com/blog/2014/03/12/...es-with-airchive-alliance-rebrand/

User currently offlinepsa188 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 650 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 15852 times:

Quoting PITrules (Reply 12):
As I started to look closer at the magazine I saw that the offices were in Miami ("Oh no" I thought to myself as I know that is where the old Airliners was located). Sure enough, the new publisher and editor of Airways did work with Airliners, and the previous editor of Airliners is now on the staff of Airways. Nothing against those individuals on a personal basis, but the fact is Airliners went down hill real fast under their watch.

I say give it time. Your observations of the new editor of Airways is true as far as it goes, but that individual was not handling the business end or editorial policy over at Airliners during the final days. The decline of Airliners was complicated but cannot be blamed on the new editor of Airways.

Although it's tough when there's a shift in editors at a popular publication, the magazine can survive. For example, Trains is still thriving long after beloved editor David P. Morgan retired. Let's give the new Airways a chance.


User currently offlineCV990A From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1479 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 15838 times:

Quoting alberchico (Reply 14):
What exactly are these major changes that turned you off ?

What I also found worrying was the comment in the editor's letter saying they would also start focusing on more of the travel-related aspects (e.g.- hotels). That's not why I subscribed. Also, the overall look and feel just looks off - and I agree with the comment

Quoting PITrules (Reply 15):
there seems to be more wasted space.

The kerning in the articles looked off. I'll give it time, but I'm not sure I'll be renewing at this point.



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User currently offlinepsa188 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 650 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 15808 times:

Quoting CV990A (Reply 18):
The kerning in the articles looked off.

That's a rather arcane thing on which to judge a newly-reformatted magazine.

Quoting CV990A (Reply 18):
What I also found worrying was the comment in the editor's letter saying they would also start focusing on more of the travel-related aspects (e.g.- hotels).

I'll admit that this didn't thrill me either, but I'm willing to give it time to see how it plays out. For example, if someone wrote about a flight to DXB and stayed at Premier Inn Dubai International Airport, I'd want to know what this close-to-airport hotel is like. I don't want to see Airways turn into a Sunday travel supplement, but in some cases hotels are relevant to the flying. For example, if I have an early flight out tomorrow, is their a reasonably price option to stay near the departure airport?


User currently onlinealberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3070 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 15741 times:

Just got the magazine and it has a very slick " Airliners" type look to it. So far none of the changes have bothered me, except for some images in poor resolution. Yet for some reason their website has not been updated to show the new June issue....


http://www.airwaysmag.com/



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User currently offlinepsa188 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 650 posts, RR: 15
Reply 21, posted (2 years 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 15655 times:

Quoting alberchico (Reply 20):
Yet for some reason their website has not been updated to show the new June issue....

Considering the fact that the entire operation is making a complete transition, updating the website is probably pretty much down the list.

Quoting alberchico (Reply 20):
Yet for some reason their website has not been updated to show the new June issue....

I just checked-June is been updated.


User currently onlinealberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3070 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (11 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 9106 times:

Apologies for bumping this thread but it looks like the paper stock has been upgraded to a more glossy high quality finish.
Looks like the complaints paid off.




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User currently offlinepsa188 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 650 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (11 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9095 times:

Quoting alberchico (Reply 22):
Apologies for bumping this thread but it looks like the paper stock has been upgraded to a more glossy high quality finish.
Looks like the complaints paid off.

The editor's introduction in that issue discusses a recent survey that was sent to subscribers. They've been responsive to feedback, for example the first couple of issues under new management had a difficult to read font which got changed back to normal in recent issues. The biggest complaint was that they did away with the glossy photos and those are now back.

Personally, I am happy that they're still running the historical articles.


User currently offline910A From United States of America, joined Apr 2015, 548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (11 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 9052 times:

The August edition is just a disaster. There is so many mistakes in it, apparently no one edits it.
#1 - pg. 8 The Spirit photo - comment Hughes AirWest was known as the Top Banana in the Sky...no it wasn't it was the Top Banana in the West..
#2 - pg. 11 - EasyJest photo - comment saying the aircraft is still wearing the test registration D-AVVL, clearly in the photo shows G-EZOL on the aircraft.
#3 - Michael Manning article on Frontier - Factually incorrect that F9 successfully competed with jetBlue and Virgin America. First of all VX doesn't even fly to Denver, and jetBlue is a eastern north-south airline and historically has been as been a non-factor in the Rocky Mountain area.
Factually incorrect - Frontier had a fortress hub at DEN. I wonder if United, and now Southwest would agree with that. Rule #1 regarding fortress hubs, you have to be the #1 carrier in the the market, which F9 has never been at DEN.
#4- The inflight review on pg.39 regarding KLM. When did the KLM 330-200 seats 332 passengers, when the next line had 244 seats, where is the proof reader? The comment left holding the bag in Atlanta, the author doesn't mention if they flew KLM or Delta across the Atlantic.

I been reading Airways since 1994 and this is the worst I seen it. For the publisher and editor Enrique Perrella and the rest of the Perrella family (pg.5) Airways is just a play toy; if you remember "Airliners" well he is the same guy that ran that publication out of business.

Really a crossword puzzle?


User currently onlinealberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3070 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (11 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 9090 times:

Quoting 910A (Reply 24):
For the publisher and editor Enrique Perrella and the rest of the Perrella family (pg.5) Airways is just a play toy; if you remember "Airliners" well he is the same guy that ran that publication out of business.

Was the Perella family in charge of Airliners at the time of their demise ?



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User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5778 posts, RR: 22
Reply 26, posted (11 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9106 times:

Quoting 910A (Reply 24):
#3 - Michael Manning article on Frontier - Factually incorrect that F9 successfully competed with jetBlue and Virgin America. First of all VX doesn't even fly to Denver, and jetBlue is a eastern north-south airline and historically has been as been a non-factor in the Rocky Mountain area.

Yeah, that looks real North-South there, chief...get YOUR facts straight...



Quoting 910A (Reply 24):
Factually incorrect - Frontier had a fortress hub at DEN. I wonder if United, and now Southwest would agree with that. Rule #1 regarding fortress hubs, you have to be the #1 carrier in the the market, which F9 has never been at DEN.

Not necessarily, Frontier had their ONLY hub at Denver, thereby qualifying it as THEIR fortress, with United always being the top spot. For about a year or two, Frontier, was the number one airline in Denver, then United exited Ch. 11, and Southwest entered the market.



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User currently offline910A From United States of America, joined Apr 2015, 548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (11 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 9146 times:

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 26):
Yeah, that looks real North-South there, chief...get YOUR facts straight...

And what is the total number of east west flights from NY-Boston to Denver, SLC, PHX?

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 26):
Not necessarily, Frontier had their ONLY hub at Denver, thereby qualifying it as THEIR fortress,

There is no such thing as a "THEIR" fortress hub. You either control the hub on not (number of flights, passengers) examples; CVG, DTW, ATL, MSP, SLC all Delta, DFW, MIA American, IAH, EWR United...


User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5778 posts, RR: 22
Reply 28, posted (11 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 9126 times:

Quoting 910A (Reply 27):
And what is the total number of east west flights from NY-Boston to Denver, SLC, PHX?

There's over 175 from JFK, BOS, MCO, FLL, and other cities (including the 17 JFK-LAX and 9 JFK-SFO Mint flights).



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User currently offline910A From United States of America, joined Apr 2015, 548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (11 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 9085 times:

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 28):
Quoting 910A (Reply 27):
And what is the total number of east west flights from NY-Boston to Denver, SLC, PHX?

There's over 175 from JFK, BOS, MCO, FLL, and other cities (including the 17 JFK-LAX and 9 JFK-SFO Mint flights).

Are you just picking numbers out of the air?
Denver has a total of three flights departures, Phoenix two, SLC ABQ both have one going west. So again tell me how jetBlue was in competition against Frontier. Remember I was asking about the Rocky Mountain area (Mountain Time Zone) the home of Frontier.
Since you threw California in the equation,the jetBlue web site shows only 5 flights between SFO -JFK, and 8 between LAX-JFK.


User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5778 posts, RR: 22
Reply 30, posted (11 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 9074 times:

Quoting 910A (Reply 29):
Are you just picking numbers out of the air?
Denver has a total of three flights departures, Phoenix two, SLC ABQ both have one going west. So again tell me how jetBlue was in competition against Frontier. Remember I was asking about the Rocky Mountain area (Mountain Time Zone) the home of Frontier.
Since you threw California in the equation,the jetBlue web site shows only 5 flights between SFO -JFK, and 8 between LAX-JFK.

I was throwing in our expansion on JFK transcons after United leaves JFK in Oct, and our eastbounds out of LGB as well.



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User currently offlinepsa188 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 650 posts, RR: 15
Reply 31, posted (11 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 9082 times:

Quoting 910A (Reply 24):

The August edition is just a disaster. There is so many mistakes in it, apparently no one edits it.
#1 - pg. 8 The Spirit photo - comment Hughes AirWest was known as the Top Banana in the Sky...no it wasn't it was the Top Banana in the West..

Thanks for reminding me. Gotta bug Enrique on that one.

Quoting alberchico (Reply 25):
Was the Perella family in charge of Airliners at the time of their demise ?

No. Get a copy of Airliners and look at the masthead.

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 26):
Not necessarily, Frontier had their ONLY hub at Denver, thereby qualifying it as THEIR fortress, with United always being the top spot. For about a year or two, Frontier, was the number one airline in Denver, then United exited Ch. 11, and Southwest entered the market.

I think that "fortress hub" is a sadly overused cliche. Maybe NW at MSP, but DEN? It's always had two major airlines competing. Even ATL has still WN providing some competition to DL.


User currently offlinejetxdammit From United States of America, joined Jan 2014, 41 posts, RR: 0
Reply 32, posted (10 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8645 times:

It had been a few years but I bought the February issue thinking I may resubscribe, but I found the magazine just lacking for many of the reasons listed above.

One article that irritated me was written by an advertiser (TheDesignAir), and it was a "review" of International First Class cabins. It gave a brief description, with a number ("87 out of 100"), but it had absolutely no criteria spelled out as to how cabins were rated; what the various categories and numbers were to justify the final score. Seemed so arbitrary in the reviews and specifically the number rating, and provided me with zero information. And I paid, what $6 for this?

I expect more out of a magazine like this, and I guess I'll just be renewing my Airliner World subscription.


User currently offlinepsa188 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 650 posts, RR: 15
Reply 33, posted (10 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 8376 times:

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 26):
Was the Perella family in charge of Airliners at the time of their demise ?

This stupid rumor from people who refuse to read the masthead simply refuses to die, so in the latest issue of Airways, Enrique tackles it head on. Most people will accept the explanation and move on and I hope the issue finally goes away.

Also, in this issue, they acknowledge the caption error and corrected the Hughes Airwest slogan.

[Edited 2015-07-24 10:20:32]

User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5778 posts, RR: 22
Reply 34, posted (10 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 8197 times:

Quoting psa188 (Reply 33):
This stupid rumor from people who refuse to read the masthead simply refuses to die, so in the latest issue of Airways, Enrique tackles it head on. Most people will accept the explanation and move on and I hope the issue finally goes away.

Also, in this issue, they acknowledge the caption error and corrected the Hughes Airwest slogan.

I would hope so! I actually havent picked up a copy since the May issue with AirTran. I may have to make a trip out to Barnes and Noble and get it again soon.



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User currently offlineTusDawg23 From United States of America, joined May 2010, 223 posts, RR: 0
Reply 35, posted (10 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8142 times:

I've been a subscriber to the magazine for a few years. I really enjoy articles told from the pilot's perspective. One last month was a 747 captain telling his experience of transporting passengers for the Hajj and the craziness of flying through the middle east after an engine failure. I agree with the previous poster that these "top 10" lists they put together are really gimicky and subjective. Best livery, best LCC, etc. I could go without it. The profiles on airports also feel pretty lacking. The rest of the magazine still has some good sections.

User currently offlinepsa188 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 650 posts, RR: 15
Reply 36, posted (10 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 8127 times:

Quoting TusDawg23 (Reply 35):
The profiles on airports also feel pretty lacking. The rest of the magazine still has some good sections.

We all have our priorities. Personally, I'd prefer that the airport profiles contained more history.

David C. Forward's airline history articles are a winner.


User currently offline910A From United States of America, joined Apr 2015, 548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 37, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 7339 times:

Quoting TusDawg23 (Reply 35):
"top 10" lists they put together are really gimicky and subjective.

I waiting for the top 10 aircraft maintenance facilities..
 
I used to read this magazine as soon was removed from the mail box..This last issue (October) heck it's still August was another major disappointment. So much more could have been done with the E-120 article.

The magazine is awful pricey for a bunch of articles from people without any aviation experience. Enrique wants to appeal to spotters that's his business decision, my decision will be to let the subscription lapse.


User currently onlinealberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3070 posts, RR: 0
Reply 38, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 7305 times:

Quoting 910A (Reply 37):
The magazine is awful pricey for a bunch of articles from people without any aviation experience. Enrique wants to appeal to spotters that's his business decision, my decision will be to let the subscription lapse.

In their defense it's by far the cheapest aviation magazine available in the U.S. Other euro magazines like air international or airliner world are much more expensive because of the euro/pound to dollar conversion.

Quoting 910A (Reply 37):
I used to read this magazine as soon was removed from the mail box..

Me too. I still have old issues going back to 1995 and wow is there a stark difference.

I know it feels like a victory that they restored the original glossy paper stock but if you think about it all they did was backtrack on a bad decision that they should have never made due to a backlash by subscribers.

[Edited 2015-08-24 18:03:22]

[Edited 2015-08-24 18:07:24]


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User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5778 posts, RR: 22
Reply 39, posted (9 months 19 hours ago) and read 7028 times:

Quoting 910A (Reply 37):
The magazine is awful pricey for a bunch of articles from people without any aviation experience.

I dunno about that. I haven't come across any contributor in Airways that doesn't have SOME sort of Airline/Travel experience, yet. Name a few, and I'll stand corrected.



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User currently offlinejetxdammit From United States of America, joined Jan 2014, 41 posts, RR: 0
Reply 40, posted (8 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 6912 times:

Quoting alberchico (Reply 38):
n their defense it's by far the cheapest aviation magazine available in the U.S. Other euro magazines like air international or airliner world are much more expensive because of the euro/pound to dollar conversion.

Unless you absolutely have to have the paper magazine, the digital one available on iPad/iOS other devices is significantly cheaper at $4.99 an issue (vs. the substantially higher print version).

I've been subscribing digitally, love it, and the new issue always is available on the 10th of every month.


User currently offlinepsa188 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 650 posts, RR: 15
Reply 41, posted (8 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 6875 times:

Quoting jetxdammit (Reply 40):
I've been subscribing digitally, love it, and the new issue always is available on the 10th of every month.

I'm old school so I sort of like the magazine, although there are space considerations if you keep back issues. I think it's a good call to offer the digital version at a discount off the print version since the digital version has none of the printing or distribution costs. E-books are a big turnoff to me both because of pricing and DRM issues.


User currently offline910A From United States of America, joined Apr 2015, 548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 42, posted (6 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5436 times:

This month's big boo-boo (January 2016) probably have the staff at American Airlines looking for their missing ten Airbus 330's.

User currently offlinepsa188 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 650 posts, RR: 15
Reply 43, posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5364 times:

Quoting 910A (Reply 42):
This month's big boo-boo (January 2016) probably have the staff at American Airlines looking for their missing ten Airbus 330's.

For those who have not seen the January issue, could you please elaborate? Thanks.


User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3620 posts, RR: 6
Reply 44, posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5342 times:

Good God what's happened to the colors in the photos of the last few issues? Looks like they hired Andy Warhol as creative director.


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User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5636 posts, RR: 17
Reply 45, posted (6 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4907 times:

I used to buy the issues of Airways and Airliners every time I went to Borders books, which was often. Well, they shut the Borders Books that I frequented! I have considered a subscription, and I have been following this thread since it started. I held off due to the complaints, but now I am seeing the new guys have taken steps to better it, and they seem receptive to suggestions.

My question is..... Should I jump in now, and order? I prefer a magazine than a computer screen. I also enjoy my massive collection of the magazines. It's fun to go back to 1998, and read em.



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User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5778 posts, RR: 22
Reply 46, posted (1 month 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1121 times:

Quoting F9Animal (Reply 45):
My question is..... Should I jump in now, and order? I prefer a magazine than a computer screen. I also enjoy my massive collection of the magazines. It's fun to go back to 1998, and read em.

I say go for it. I bought the latest issue and like what I see. I'm thinking if they have sorted out their distribution problems and my issues get sent on time and actually show up, I'll re-subscribe.



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User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2539 posts, RR: 8
Reply 47, posted (1 month 18 hours ago) and read 1053 times:

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 46):
Quoting F9Animal (Reply 45):
My question is..... Should I jump in now, and order? I prefer a magazine than a computer screen. I also enjoy my massive collection of the magazines. It's fun to go back to 1998, and read em.

I say go for it. I bought the latest issue and like what I see. I'm thinking if they have sorted out their distribution problems and my issues get sent on time and actually show up, I'll re-subscribe.

I've been a subscriber of Airways since issue 1, and I've noticed the last several issues have actually arrived earlier than they did with the prior management. In the past, my magazine would usually arrive on the third Saturday of a month, and now it seems to be arriving on the second Saturday of the month.

Although the quality of the articles declined noticeably after the new management took over, I feel the articles have gotten better over the last six to nine months, and are as insightful now as they were when John Wegg was the editor.

I only wish they would bring back Dave Nichols as a columnist; he wrote for Airliners for many years, then switched to Airways as Airliners went downhill. Mr. Nichols flew a lot in the late 1960s and 1970s, both as a passenger and as a jump seater in the cockpit, and his comments about the flying experience in those years were really enlightening. One of his best columns (in the July / August 2003 issue of Airliners) discussed what the mood in the cockpit was on each of the airlines he jumpseated on - e.g. "American Airlines pilots had a distinct military character; if you liked nuts and bolts aircraft talk over an off duty brew, these guys were the ones", or "In the control tower, if the local controller had only a miniscule window of opportunity to roll an airliner, he might transmit 'Continental, can you accept an immediate takeoff' and the answer was always 'is the pope Catholic'".



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User currently offlinepsa188 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 650 posts, RR: 15
Reply 48, posted (3 weeks 6 days 17 hours 34 minutes ago) and read 883 times:

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 47):
Although the quality of the articles declined noticeably after the new management took over, I feel the articles have gotten better over the last six to nine months, and are as insightful now as they were when John Wegg was the editor.

I think that what happened was that they went through the same teething problems that any publication goes through a change of management. This is especially true in cases where the publication was controlled by its founder who had a certain, well liked, way of doing things. Every long-lived magazine changes direction as staff turns over, for example, the Trains magazine of today is different than it was during David P. Morgan's heyday.

I think that after a couple of years of experimenting with new ideas, the new folks are learning what does and doesn't work. The new crew has settled in and, as you mention, the publication is finding its groove. Good thing too, with Airliners defunct Airways is the last airline magazine standing in the United States.


User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5778 posts, RR: 22
Reply 49, posted (2 weeks 6 days 13 hours 37 minutes ago) and read 626 times:

Quoting psa188 (Reply 48):

I think that what happened was that they went through the same teething problems that any publication goes through a change of management. This is especially true in cases where the publication was controlled by its founder who had a certain, well liked, way of doing things. Every long-lived magazine changes direction as staff turns over, for example, the Trains magazine of today is different than it was during David P. Morgan's heyday.

I think that after a couple of years of experimenting with new ideas, the new folks are learning what does and doesn't work. The new crew has settled in and, as you mention, the publication is finding its groove. Good thing too, with Airliners defunct Airways is the last airline magazine standing in the United States.

You're right. So Im going to re-subscribe next week when I get back from my trip.



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User currently offlineatsiang From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 42 posts, RR: 0
Reply 50, posted (1 week 4 days 14 hours 24 minutes ago) and read 348 times:

After the new team took over, there were a few teething issues and it seems like now the magazine is much more polished. I'm glad that they got rid of the top 10's as it served no use and had no value.

User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3620 posts, RR: 6
Reply 51, posted (1 week 3 days 6 hours 53 minutes ago) and read 275 times:

Quoting atsiang (Reply 50):
I'm glad that they got rid of the top 10's as it served no use and had no value.

A step in the right direction. Now if they would get rid of the "Airways Quiz", 9 pages of nauseating "The Industry Expert", the crossword puzzle, and those stupid read and blue boxes at the top of every page.



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User currently offlinepsa188 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 650 posts, RR: 15
Reply 52, posted (1 week 2 days 19 hours 28 minutes ago) and read 252 times:

Quoting PITrules (Reply 51):
A step in the right direction. Now if they would get rid of the "Airways Quiz", 9 pages of nauseating "The Industry Expert", the crossword puzzle, and those stupid read and blue boxes at the top of every page.

Personally, I'm not a fan of those little red/blue boxes either, but I don't think the "industry expert" articles are particularly bad. Many magazines have these types of op-ed columns, Trains for example having Don Phillips and Fred W. Frailey, and years ago "professional iconoclast" John Knieling.

[Edited 2016-05-21 10:30:21]

User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3620 posts, RR: 6
Reply 53, posted (1 week 2 days 17 hours 57 minutes ago) and read 239 times:

Quoting psa188 (Reply 52):
I don't think the "industry expert" articles are particularly bad. Many magazines have these types of op-ed columns,

I just think having 3 of those articles (9 pages in the latest issue) back to back to back is a bit much. After all it is primarily a magazine for enthusiasts. I just read the column regarding the Brussels airport - a response to the terrorist attack. The first half was nothing but a recap of the air service gains the airport had in recent years, followed by snippets of material about the airport resuming operations. The whole thing seemed to be put together by cutting and pasting various news articles and wikipedia.

Never did disclose how the author is "an industry expert" on the subject. If they felt the need to acknowledge the attacks perhaps a couple sentences in the editorial page and/or a proper feature article about the airport would be appropriate. Just my two cents.



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