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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 11132 times:

Just heard that Airways Magazine changed hands and has a new publisher. Anybody an idea about who the new publisher is -- and whether there will be changes ?

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User currently offlinesk736 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 507 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 11106 times:
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I still can't find the March issue in the UK - I hope the new publisher can work out how to ship the magazine to the UK more quickly than the previous publisher could manage.

User currently offlinealberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2911 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 11017 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Thread starter):

Just heard that Airways Magazine changed hands and has a new publisher. Anybody an idea about who the new publisher is -- and whether there will be changes ?

Where did you hear that ? Can you please tell us who the new publisher is ? I hope they don't start screwing around with the format.

Combat Aircraft monthly and Air Forces monthly now have the same ownership as of a few months ago and so far there have been no major changes.



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User currently offlinepsa188 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 505 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 10362 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Thread starter):
Anybody an idea about who the new publisher is

I think it's a rumor. The May issue, which I just got, still says it's published by Airways International in Sandpoint ID.

I don't see anything on the website either:
http://www.airwaysmag.com/


User currently offlineUA767400 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 178 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 4 months 4 hours ago) and read 10235 times:

I think they meant Airliners. Airliners has had some issues in delivering the latest issues

Nothing has changed at Airways


User currently offlinepsa188 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 505 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 10135 times:

Quoting UA767400 (Reply 4):
Airliners has had some issues in delivering the latest issues


For the record, the publication "recently" renamed itself "Airliners & Airports," although use of the name was inconsistent as you can see at their website.

At last check, in mid-December, Airliners & Airports reportedly had an issue printed but held up "on the loading dock" for unspecified reasons. A quick check of http://www.airliners.tv/ shows the site still up showing the LH 747-8 issue as "current.

I have no inside information on this, but absent any response to sporadic emails in early 2013, I must conclude Airliners & Airports has most likely ceased publication.


User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3123 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 8830 times:

Quoting psa188 (Reply 5):
At last check, in mid-December, Airliners & Airports reportedly had an issue printed but held up "on the loading dock" for unspecified reasons. A quick check of http://www.airliners.tv/ shows the site still up showing the LH 747-8 issue as "current.

I have no inside information on this, but absent any response to sporadic emails in early 2013, I must conclude Airliners & Airports has most likely ceased publication.

I was about to call my credit card to get refunded for my subscription, but I figured I should call the magazine first to make sure they are in fact officially T.U.

To my surprise the call was answered, and I was told the same thing about a 'new' issue being held up on the loading dock. Probably missed some payments to the shipper. It was acknowledged the magazine is in default to its subscribers but I was told they are still officially in production. He then rambled on about how the publishing industry has changed since the launch of Airliners... even though there are actually more airline enthusiast magazines in print now than back then.



FLYi
User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2208 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8583 times:

Quoting PITrules (Reply 6):
He then rambled on about how the publishing industry has changed since the launch of Airliners... even though there are actually more airline enthusiast magazines in print now than back then.

I think this is the reason Airliners is struggling.

When Airliners launched in 1988, the only magazines targeted at airline enthusiasts were World Airline Fleets and Propliner, both of which were targeted at small subsets of the airline enthusiast community.

Now, Airliners competes with Airways and Airliner World, as well as this website. Very few airline enthusiasts want (or can afford) to subscribe to all three of the "general interest" airline magazines. Too many of Airliners' articles recently have seemed to be written by the magazine's advertisers, and Airliners' publication schedule has become more erratic, so I think when enthusiasts have to decide which magazines to continue getting, and which magazines to drop, many are choosing to drop Airliners and keep Airways or Airliner World.

Although Propliner is the most expensive of the airline enthusiast magazines, I think the reason it has survived is because it has stayed narrowly focused on piston and turboprop aircraft, and articles about the subjects it covers are almost impossible to find elsewhere.



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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3123 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8556 times:

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 7):
Too many of Airliners' articles recently have seemed to be written by the magazine's advertisers, and Airliners' publication schedule has become more erratic, so I think when enthusiasts have to decide which magazines to continue getting, and which magazines to drop, many are choosing to drop Airliners and keep Airways or Airliner World.

Exactly and I think this is the reason Airliners is failing. Its not the digital revolution, but poor internal decisions relating to the magazine's content which has alienated its readers.

Airliners was the first of the current bunch, so if they stayed true to their purpose then I don't see why they couldn't have defended their market share and be as successful as Airways and Airliner World.



FLYi
User currently offlineouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4556 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 8317 times:

Airliners just seems to be dead. Their Facebook page has been all but abandoned. Their website, as pointed out, is also out of date. I think its one of those situations where they just need to pack it in and call it good. Airways seems to be mostly stable right but that is probably thanks to their growing web properties. I finally decided to cut them loose this year. I normally always renew for 3 years but the value is gone. I get the news and stories much quicker online through various sources, that they really aren't needed anymore. I also find that they take too many liberties in push a bias, although subtle most of the time, in their storytelling that it is just a turn off. In one of the last couple issues I got, I got a chuckle of them saying Tom Horton is getting a promotion in the US/AA merger when we all know he's getting kicked to the curb - with a golden parachute of some sort of course (depending what they can get approved).


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User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2208 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 8191 times:

Quoting PITrules (Reply 8):
Airliners was the first of the current bunch, so if they stayed true to their purpose then I don't see why they couldn't have defended their market share and be as successful as Airways and Airliner World.

Airways was launched after a disagreement among the founding owners / writers of Airliners over the magazine's strategic direction. Had the people responsible for Airliners' launch been able to agree on how the magazine would evolve, Airways would not exist.

Airliners' quality declined after Airways was launched, because many of Airliners' best writers started writing for Airways instead, and Airliners had to publish some weaker articles just to fill up space in the magazine.



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User currently offlinepsa188 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 505 posts, RR: 18
Reply 11, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7142 times:

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 10):
Airliners' quality declined after Airways was launched, because many of Airliners' best writers started writing for Airways instead, and Airliners had to publish some weaker articles just to fill up space in the magazine.

That happened initially, but then Airliners regained its footing, especially after Jon Proctor became editor sometime in the 1990s. The magazine stayed strong under subsequent editors David Kaufman and Jay Selman but ownership changes after that turned off some long time readers. Unfortunately, the current ownership couldn't make things work and that issue with the LH 747-8 on the cover probably will be the last. If the one supposedly on the loading dock last December ever appears, it will be a collector's item.

It's really a shame as I used to write for them.


User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3123 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (3 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1143 times:

So I received the June issue of Airways magazine and was disappointed by major changes (actually a complete overhaul of the magazine). Airways was awesome for 20 years since the first issue, so for that reason alone I was disappointed - why fix what is not broken?

As I started to look closer at the magazine I saw that the offices were in Miami ("Oh no" I thought to myself as I know that is where the old Airliners was located). Sure enough, the new publisher and editor of Airways did work with Airliners, and the previous editor of Airliners is now on the staff of Airways. Nothing against those individuals on a personal basis, but the fact is Airliners went down hill real fast under their watch.

While the June issue is still good, I think it is quite a bit worse than the past couple years of Airways. I hope it does not continue to trend in that direction like Airliners did. Keeping my fingers crossed....


I have every issue of Airliners and Airways (as well as Airliner World and Airports of the World). Both magazines under John Wegg were outstanding, and I wish him the best going forward whether it is retirement or new endeavors.



FLYi
User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17051 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (3 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1129 times:

Quoting PITrules (Reply 12):

Oh no, I just renewed my subscription for another 3 years, so hopefully it wont change to the worse.



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User currently offlinealberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2911 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 968 times:

Quoting PITrules (Reply 12):
So I received the June issue of Airways magazine and was disappointed by major changes (actually a complete overhaul of the magazine)
Quoting PITrules (Reply 12):
While the June issue is still good, I think it is quite a bit worse than the past couple years of Airways

What exactly are these major changes that turned you off ?



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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3123 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (2 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 951 times:

Quoting alberchico (Reply 14):

What exactly are these major changes that turned you off ?

Historical essays seem to have taken a back seat, the quality of many (not all) photos has decreased as there seems to be less resolution (printing process?), and there seems to be more wasted space.



FLYi
User currently offlinevin2basketball From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 950 times:

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User currently offlinepsa188 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 505 posts, RR: 18
Reply 17, posted (2 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 875 times:

Quoting PITrules (Reply 12):
As I started to look closer at the magazine I saw that the offices were in Miami ("Oh no" I thought to myself as I know that is where the old Airliners was located). Sure enough, the new publisher and editor of Airways did work with Airliners, and the previous editor of Airliners is now on the staff of Airways. Nothing against those individuals on a personal basis, but the fact is Airliners went down hill real fast under their watch.

I say give it time. Your observations of the new editor of Airways is true as far as it goes, but that individual was not handling the business end or editorial policy over at Airliners during the final days. The decline of Airliners was complicated but cannot be blamed on the new editor of Airways.

Although it's tough when there's a shift in editors at a popular publication, the magazine can survive. For example, Trains is still thriving long after beloved editor David P. Morgan retired. Let's give the new Airways a chance.


User currently offlineCV990A From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1413 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 861 times:

Quoting alberchico (Reply 14):
What exactly are these major changes that turned you off ?

What I also found worrying was the comment in the editor's letter saying they would also start focusing on more of the travel-related aspects (e.g.- hotels). That's not why I subscribed. Also, the overall look and feel just looks off - and I agree with the comment

Quoting PITrules (Reply 15):
there seems to be more wasted space.

The kerning in the articles looked off. I'll give it time, but I'm not sure I'll be renewing at this point.



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User currently offlinepsa188 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 505 posts, RR: 18
Reply 19, posted (2 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 831 times:

Quoting CV990A (Reply 18):
The kerning in the articles looked off.

That's a rather arcane thing on which to judge a newly-reformatted magazine.

Quoting CV990A (Reply 18):
What I also found worrying was the comment in the editor's letter saying they would also start focusing on more of the travel-related aspects (e.g.- hotels).

I'll admit that this didn't thrill me either, but I'm willing to give it time to see how it plays out. For example, if someone wrote about a flight to DXB and stayed at Premier Inn Dubai International Airport, I'd want to know what this close-to-airport hotel is like. I don't want to see Airways turn into a Sunday travel supplement, but in some cases hotels are relevant to the flying. For example, if I have an early flight out tomorrow, is their a reasonably price option to stay near the departure airport?


User currently offlinealberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2911 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 764 times:

Just got the magazine and it has a very slick " Airliners" type look to it. So far none of the changes have bothered me, except for some images in poor resolution. Yet for some reason their website has not been updated to show the new June issue....


http://www.airwaysmag.com/



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User currently offlinepsa188 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 505 posts, RR: 18
Reply 21, posted (2 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 678 times:

Quoting alberchico (Reply 20):
Yet for some reason their website has not been updated to show the new June issue....

Considering the fact that the entire operation is making a complete transition, updating the website is probably pretty much down the list.

Quoting alberchico (Reply 20):
Yet for some reason their website has not been updated to show the new June issue....

I just checked-June is been updated.


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