EA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13166 posts, RR: 62 Posted (3 weeks 3 days 4 hours 24 minutes ago) and read 1634 times:
Hear me out on this:
- FS9 is ten years old and still one of the most widely-used platforms
- FSX is not as old, but still taxes all but the most muscular systems
- Third-party developers seem to be producing less payware
- Freeware design seems to be tapering off
- Enthusiastic users of FS9/FSX are getting older and may not continue with their hobby
- Microsoft Flight was...well, Microsoft Flight.
- There doesn't appear to be anywhere near the embrace of X-Plane that there was for FS9/FSX
- There doesn't appear to be a worthy successor in the pipeline anywhere at this point
So, flight sim enthusiasts - what say you? And if flight simulation is dead, what killed it?
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wilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8830 posts, RR: 77
Reply 1, posted (3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 1592 times:
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Quoting EA CO AS (Thread starter): So, flight sim enthusiasts - what say you? And if flight simulation is dead, what killed it?
I don't think it is dead. Sure people get older and use FS less often, but new kids come and use it. They only have the chance to use FS9 or FSX (if the PC can handle it).
Due to many virtual airlines, real ATC (IVAO, VATSIM) etc it is as realistic as it has never been before. Payware airplanes (PMDG) are very realistic as well. I think we have reached a peak at the moment. Everything beyond FSX would eat up so much space on everybodys computer, that you need a computer only for FS.
If Microsoft or any other developer would make a brandnew FS with very realistic textures, it will for sure get more famous again.
I am using FS still every once in a while for doing weird stuff I cannot do in real life
nickh From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 weeks 2 days 8 hours 37 minutes ago) and read 1476 times:
I wouldn't say that flight simulators are dead - most laptops that have at least the Intel GMA4xxx style on-board GPUs can handle the graphics loads, although ideally you DO want a machine (in the case of a laptop/notebook) with dual GPUs -- in this case, they usually have the SOC on-board graphics and a separate NVidia or ATI Graphics Processor -- they can be assigned to various applications as the need arises. Use the dedicated GPU for the flight simulator and the on-board graphics for simple things like web browsing and email.
While the Microsoft Flight Simulator is somewhat the de facto standard for PC based Flight Simulators, do not disregard X-Plane, which is an excellent multi-platform flight simulator available for Windows, LINUX, OS/X and also IOS (I do not recall if there is an Android version yet).
CGMAI From Canada, joined Feb 2014, 211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 weeks 2 days 1 hour 37 minutes ago) and read 1446 times:
Considering X-Plane just got v10 out 2(?) years ago and there are A LOT of very good payware planes getting built as we speak for v10 (A330, B737-200,...) and one or two very good freeware planes being built (B787-8/-9/-10) I do not think its dead. XP is the most versatile plane simulator out there considering it supports Windows, Mac and Linux. I don't have v10 yet (too expensive and I'm too lazy to redo all the settings) but v9.70 is also very good.
If its not built by Airbus it must not be good ;-)
CPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 5899 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (3 weeks 21 hours 26 minutes ago) and read 1333 times:
Not necessarily. Flight simming, at least as it pertains to the wider simming community, more or less hinges on how LM proceeds forward with their work on Prepar3D.
They have to tread a very a fine line, as they're not allowed to market or sell it as a recreational flight sim, but the fact that they've made strides to make it accesible as possible to the regular flight simmers speaks volumes.
Cadet985 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1496 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (3 weeks 6 hours 58 minutes ago) and read 1284 times:
Quoting CPH-R (Reply 8): They have to tread a very a fine line, as they're not allowed to market or sell it as a recreational flight sim, but the fact that they've made strides to make it accesible as possible to the regular flight simmers speaks volumes.
Yes, the days of spending hours looking for certain aircraft, scenery, terrain, texture and sound files has been put away in the attic. As have the screenshot threads. competitions and the endless discussions in these now dusty forums on asking each other where we found this or that aircraft.
Maybe I'll squeeze in a short flight with a POSKY 767, just a short one, no one will find out LOL!
LM bought the license to ESP, which is the commercial (read as in not general purpose gaming) branch of the MS FS franchise. Meanwhile, MS was still going to make Flight happen, which, in effect, means that LM did not have the rights (and in all probability any intentions) to release a general public entertainment version.
While they do sell to general public, they stress that they do not cater to entertainment markets, but if you use simulator for other purposes, say, self-education, you are good to go.
As for the topic, no, I don't think flight simulation is dead as we know it. True enough, with emergence of mobile gaming and shift towards consoles, simulators are not as mainstream as they once where, but the community thrives, with addons of unprecedented quality available.
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flymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 6946 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (12 hours 23 minutes 17 secs ago) and read 40 times:
Quoting CPH-R (Reply 8): Not necessarily. Flight simming, at least as it pertains to the wider simming community, more or less hinges on how LM proceeds forward with their work on Prepar3D.
This. Hopefully they make it a bit more open to the general public. Anyone can buy it but also many developers have not released much for P3D.
As long as developers like PMDG, Majestic, Quialitysim are still around and retailers like flight1 and justflight are here I don't think the hobby is over. Sure I had a lot more time for it when I was younger but things are being done to make it possible to enjoy it in shorter periods of time or being able to walk away from the PC like PMDGs 777 auto cruise option. I agree that the freeware community has died down a bit, and that even this forum right here is as slow as it has ever been. That being said even though I am doing less flying I am doing the best and most realistic flying I have ever done in FS with planes like the Majestic Dash-8 and PMDG 777.
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