Mr.BA From Singapore, joined Sep 2000, 3423 posts, RR: 22 Posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 3774 times:
For those playing FS 2000, I wonder who can do manual landings? Manual landings here meant you disconnect the autopilot at 2500 feet or so and fly the approach yourself rather than disconnecting it at 200 feet. If yes, how do you do it?
I am trying to do so.. but man.. I am on the verge of giving up.
YKA From Netherlands, joined Sep 2001, 766 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3680 times:
I always fly the apporach/landing by hand unless the visibility is low. Its quite easy, the important things are that you need a good joystick with trim/throttle control, need to know the exact runway heading(just because the the rwy is 8, dosnt mean the apporach course is exacly 80 degrees) and dial in the proper ILS frequency and use PAPI or VASI lights for guidence.
I will admit that keeping the aircraft aligned with the centerline can be difficult in FS due to many reasons but those can be overcome with a little practice to some degree.
Just keep the decent rate at 700fpm(on final) which will keep you nicely on the glideslope. Do this by adjusting power while keeping the nose at around 2.5 to 3 degrees using the elevator trim. Soon enough you will figure out which N1% gives you that decent rate.
BA747-436 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 1259 posts, RR: 12 Reply 4, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3667 times:
The time when i switch the autopilot off is when i start my initial decent from 35,000ft+
I never use the autopilot on APR it takes the fun out of flying. But i have been using FS for quite some time now and do many many long haul flights that reach easily over 10+ hours each.
Lindy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3659 times:
I'm flying on MS Flight Simulator since 1996. Never ever I landed aircraft with autopilot. It took me quite time to learn how to land without crashing.
The trick is, that I'm aligning to the runway close to the outermarker. Then I'm watching the speed and I dont descend faster then 600fpm. Thats bottom line. If you have crosswind make sure that you turn little bit nose to the direction where the wind is blowing.
Indianguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3653 times:
I do fly manually, but i keep the autopilot on till 500 ft AGL. SOmetimes the speed hold is kept on, esp. when i have to descend steeply etc, or make some last minute adjustments, that way i have one less thing to worry abt!
Modesto2 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2723 posts, RR: 6 Reply 8, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3638 times:
Manual landings take a lot of practice. I have always executed such approaches, but it takes a lot of patience. Sometimes, I disengage the autopilot at lower altitudes, such as 3000' while other times, I'll manually fly it down from higher altitudes, such as 7000'. Localizer and glideslope deviations are frustrating; couple that with speed and descent rates and it's a complicated situation. It's all about practice.
FSPilot747 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 3599 posts, RR: 13 Reply 11, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3623 times:
When I first got FS98 when it first came out, I never knew how to work the Autoland. Eventually, I would always land by hand, always. I never started doing instrument landings until I learned how to do them in FS2000. I occasionally do instrument landings, but I like to take control and do a smooth landing on my own. So pretty much, I always do manual landings. They're "funner." Just keep practicing is all I can say. I learned to flightsim doing manual landings, so it was easier for me. But if you keep practicing, you'll get better for sure.
AeroGlobeAir7 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 586 posts, RR: 2 Reply 12, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3618 times:
I can! It took me a year and a half to learn to land a Cessna 182. Now I can land everything from gliders and Sopwith Camels to 777-200s, 747-400s and Concordes manually. I don't even now how to do an autopilot landing.
BABY BOEINGS ALL THE WAY!!!
FLY DELTA JETS!
Nbirger From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 69 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3608 times:
Hey Mr. BA,
Flying manual is the best part of flight sim! It does take a lot of practice however, and make sure you are constantly trimming the aircraft. I am like most of the others here, I will never let the a/p land the plane if visibility is good. Yet, if you have low visibility the autoland can be an interesting thing to know how to operate.
I was lucky enough to get a jumpseat on a short WestJet 732 flight a while back and the Captain hand flew the entire flight from Vancouver to Kelowna. It was really fun to watch.
Fritzi From United Arab Emirates, joined Jun 2001, 2762 posts, RR: 2 Reply 14, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3597 times:
I always fly manual landings. But it takes alot of practice to learn how to fly it. You just have to keep a steady decent rate around 700fpm. After a couple of years of practice I can land every aircraft now.
EGNV From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 171 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3593 times:
I just landed a 747-400 at Changi Singapore, disengaged the AP at around 4000ft,how it should be done in modern aircraft with a lazy captain.
I flew a manual flight from Newcastle to Heathrow, which I couldn't exactly describe as fun like some people, but it was interesting. High Concentration was required.
Also with regard to the descent rates, don't really bother with 'em until you are about to land and even still with practice you should not be looking at the VSI.
In aviation, it is suprising how VFR everything is, and sometimes little refernece to instruments like the VSI.
As long as you dont ever go beyond 2000ft/min in a dive. Try to avoid diving when landing. Do not flare too much. When you are approaching it is tempting to pull back unecessarily. Keep the nose just slightly above the horizon.
Also, as long as your wheels touch the runway, I wouldn't worry about it.
I'm sure this hasn't helped you at all, but it is a little useful advice.
Finally, FS says land at 140kts in the B734
If you have about 10% fuel remaining as you should do on landing, then touch down at about 120kts.
Our landing in the 767 was about 128kts for touchdown.
Keep it smooth.
Dont go too fast to avoid a quick descent onto a runway and then find you cant touch the ground, retract the spoilers and slow too quickly and make a firm touch on the runway.
Make your speed exactly right just before touchdown. Decrease your descent rate slowly, and you will roll on to the runway just nicely.
Mr.BA From Singapore, joined Sep 2000, 3423 posts, RR: 22 Reply 17, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3586 times:
Thanks everyone for the interesting replies... one thing more that is, when I fly the B777-200 or the B747-400 proffesional, I am always approaching right on the glideslope (PAPI 2 reds 2 whites). When it coems to short finals... I become a little to high. Well I managed to land quite smoothly... but not exactly where i should touchdown...
FSPilot747 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 3599 posts, RR: 13 Reply 20, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3570 times:
Mr.BA: It ALL comes with practice. Just keep flying the plane and slewing back and trying again. You wont get it right away, I can guarantee you that. It may well take a year to master landing the big jets in the sims. It all comes with experience. You have to learn from trial an error. Keep trying, you'll do just fine.
Aloha 737-200 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3565 times:
I much prefer to do it manually. I use the autopilot to hold airspeed and sometimes altitude and that's IT. Say the airport altitude is 4,000 ft, then I set the autopilot to hold 180kts, with 15-20 degrees flap, and descend to 5,000 feet. Then I deactivate altitude hold and fly the approach manually, keeping the airspeed hodl activated, as in real life, your co-pilot will handle your speed while you land the plane.
Mr.BA From Singapore, joined Sep 2000, 3423 posts, RR: 22 Reply 22, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3569 times:
Great to see so many replies and thanks for it!
FSPilot747, thanks a lot for the encouragement... I am now able to able smooth landings.. just that I cannot touchdown at the 2 big white boxes (touchdown point)... always go further than that.
Have anyone of you all tried a crosswind landing in maybe 20 knots? How does your plane respond to it? If I approach it with autopilot... the aircraft don't seem to get in line with the runway, instead flying towards the wind. Rudder did not help the way it supposed to... it changes the direction of the nose but well when I release it, it goes back the same old direction. If I don't release it, it makes no difference.. the plane flies like a crab.