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Who Can Do Manual Landings?  
User currently offlineMr.BA From Singapore, joined Sep 2000, 3423 posts, RR: 21
Posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4162 times:

For those playing FS 2000, I wonder who can do manual landings? Manual landings here meant you disconnect the autopilot at 2500 feet or so and fly the approach yourself rather than disconnecting it at 200 feet. If yes, how do you do it?

I am trying to do so.. but man.. I am on the verge of giving up.

Thanks

alvin


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User currently offlineSkihigh2002 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4085 times:

FS is really hard to control on APP for some reason. I have tried and tried. But heck, sometimes the autopilots suck just as bad.

Chris


User currently offlineQantas737 From Australia, joined Jul 2000, 738 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4076 times:

I always do manual landings in FS2k. I rarely use the autopilot other than in cruise, climb and descent.

User currently offlineYKA From Netherlands, joined Sep 2001, 766 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4068 times:

I always fly the apporach/landing by hand unless the visibility is low. Its quite easy, the important things are that you need a good joystick with trim/throttle control, need to know the exact runway heading(just because the the rwy is 8, dosnt mean the apporach course is exacly 80 degrees) and dial in the proper ILS frequency and use PAPI or VASI lights for guidence.

I will admit that keeping the aircraft aligned with the centerline can be difficult in FS due to many reasons but those can be overcome with a little practice to some degree.

Just keep the decent rate at 700fpm(on final) which will keep you nicely on the glideslope. Do this by adjusting power while keeping the nose at around 2.5 to 3 degrees using the elevator trim. Soon enough you will figure out which N1% gives you that decent rate.


User currently offlineBA747-436 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 1259 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4055 times:

The time when i switch the autopilot off is when i start my initial decent from 35,000ft+
I never use the autopilot on APR it takes the fun out of flying. But i have been using FS for quite some time now and do many many long haul flights that reach easily over 10+ hours each.



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User currently offlineLindy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4047 times:

I'm flying on MS Flight Simulator since 1996. Never ever I landed aircraft with autopilot. It took me quite time to learn how to land without crashing.
The trick is, that I'm aligning to the runway close to the outermarker. Then I'm watching the speed and I dont descend faster then 600fpm. Thats bottom line. If you have crosswind make sure that you turn little bit nose to the direction where the wind is blowing.

Flying manualy is fun!


User currently offlineIndianguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4041 times:

I do fly manually, but i keep the autopilot on till 500 ft AGL. SOmetimes the speed hold is kept on, esp. when i have to descend steeply etc, or make some last minute adjustments, that way i have one less thing to worry abt!

User currently offlineStaffan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4043 times:

I always do manual landings, with ILS until I'm rather close then I land visual. The hardest part is as mentioned to keep the aircraft aligned to the centerline.

Regards,

Staffan


User currently offlineModesto2 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2801 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4026 times:

Manual landings take a lot of practice. I have always executed such approaches, but it takes a lot of patience. Sometimes, I disengage the autopilot at lower altitudes, such as 3000' while other times, I'll manually fly it down from higher altitudes, such as 7000'. Localizer and glideslope deviations are frustrating; couple that with speed and descent rates and it's a complicated situation. It's all about practice.

User currently offlineNotar520AC From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1606 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4015 times:

I do manuals in the sim and @ SDL all the time- practice makes perfect.


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User currently offlineH. Simpson From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 949 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4014 times:

PRATICE PRATICE PRATICE...

as you pratice, you will gain EXPERIENCE! Big grin

anyway, the most important thing is you have a fast or reasonable computer, you don't want to crash the plane at 2 DME becasue of image flicking!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Mike


User currently offlineFSPilot747 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 3599 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4011 times:

When I first got FS98 when it first came out, I never knew how to work the Autoland. Eventually, I would always land by hand, always. I never started doing instrument landings until I learned how to do them in FS2000. I occasionally do instrument landings, but I like to take control and do a smooth landing on my own. So pretty much, I always do manual landings. They're "funner." Just keep practicing is all I can say. I learned to flightsim doing manual landings, so it was easier for me. But if you keep practicing, you'll get better for sure.

take care, and keep flying,
FSPilot747


User currently offlineAeroGlobeAir7 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 586 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4006 times:

I can! It took me a year and a half to learn to land a Cessna 182. Now I can land everything from gliders and Sopwith Camels to 777-200s, 747-400s and Concordes manually. I don't even now how to do an autopilot landing.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Andrew
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User currently offlineNbirger From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3996 times:

Hey Mr. BA,

Flying manual is the best part of flight sim! It does take a lot of practice however, and make sure you are constantly trimming the aircraft. I am like most of the others here, I will never let the a/p land the plane if visibility is good. Yet, if you have low visibility the autoland can be an interesting thing to know how to operate.

I was lucky enough to get a jumpseat on a short WestJet 732 flight a while back and the Captain hand flew the entire flight from Vancouver to Kelowna. It was really fun to watch.


Have Fun!
-Nick


User currently offlineFritzi From United Arab Emirates, joined Jun 2001, 2762 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3985 times:

I always fly manual landings. But it takes alot of practice to learn how to fly it. You just have to keep a steady decent rate around 700fpm. After a couple of years of practice I can land every aircraft now.

/Fritzi


User currently offlineEGNV From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 171 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3981 times:

Hi all.

I just landed a 747-400 at Changi Singapore, disengaged the AP at around 4000ft,how it should be done in modern aircraft with a lazy captain.

I flew a manual flight from Newcastle to Heathrow, which I couldn't exactly describe as fun like some people, but it was interesting. High Concentration was required.

Also with regard to the descent rates, don't really bother with 'em until you are about to land and even still with practice you should not be looking at the VSI.

In aviation, it is suprising how VFR everything is, and sometimes little refernece to instruments like the VSI.

As long as you dont ever go beyond 2000ft/min in a dive. Try to avoid diving when landing. Do not flare too much. When you are approaching it is tempting to pull back unecessarily. Keep the nose just slightly above the horizon.

Also, as long as your wheels touch the runway, I wouldn't worry about it.

I'm sure this hasn't helped you at all, but it is a little useful advice.

KV

Finally, FS says land at 140kts in the B734

If you have about 10% fuel remaining as you should do on landing, then touch down at about 120kts.

Our landing in the 767 was about 128kts for touchdown.

Keep it smooth.

Dont go too fast to avoid a quick descent onto a runway and then find you cant touch the ground, retract the spoilers and slow too quickly and make a firm touch on the runway.

Make your speed exactly right just before touchdown. Decrease your descent rate slowly, and you will roll on to the runway just nicely.

KV



User currently offlineVgnAtl747 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1513 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3973 times:

I land manually. As soon as the autopilot lines me up with the runway, so it us straight ahead, no matter what the altitude, I turn off the autopilot, and land.


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User currently offlineMr.BA From Singapore, joined Sep 2000, 3423 posts, RR: 21
Reply 17, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 3974 times:

Thanks everyone for the interesting replies... one thing more that is, when I fly the B777-200 or the B747-400 proffesional, I am always approaching right on the glideslope (PAPI 2 reds 2 whites). When it coems to short finals... I become a little to high. Well I managed to land quite smoothly... but not exactly where i should touchdown...

THanks and happy flying!

alvin



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User currently offline767ALLTHEWAY From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 659 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3967 times:

im always doing manual landings never use my autopilot except during cruise..and sometimes during descent and climb but i always do manual landings.


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User currently offlineEricmetallica From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3962 times:

Just line up a 3,000 feet,slow down and either watch your glide slope or just wach visualy.not to hard..i hate useing the autopilot..how boring

Eric


User currently offlineFSPilot747 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 3599 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3958 times:

Mr.BA: It ALL comes with practice. Just keep flying the plane and slewing back and trying again. You wont get it right away, I can guarantee you that. It may well take a year to master landing the big jets in the sims. It all comes with experience. You have to learn from trial an error. Keep trying, you'll do just fine.

take care,
FSPilot747


User currently offlineAloha 737-200 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3953 times:

I much prefer to do it manually. I use the autopilot to hold airspeed and sometimes altitude and that's IT. Say the airport altitude is 4,000 ft, then I set the autopilot to hold 180kts, with 15-20 degrees flap, and descend to 5,000 feet. Then I deactivate altitude hold and fly the approach manually, keeping the airspeed hodl activated, as in real life, your co-pilot will handle your speed while you land the plane.

Aloha 737-200!  Wink/being sarcastic


User currently offlineMr.BA From Singapore, joined Sep 2000, 3423 posts, RR: 21
Reply 22, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3957 times:

Hi everyone,

Great to see so many replies and thanks for it!

FSPilot747, thanks a lot for the encouragement... I am now able to able smooth landings.. just that I cannot touchdown at the 2 big white boxes (touchdown point)... always go further than that.

Have anyone of you all tried a crosswind landing in maybe 20 knots? How does your plane respond to it? If I approach it with autopilot... the aircraft don't seem to get in line with the runway, instead flying towards the wind. Rudder did not help the way it supposed to... it changes the direction of the nose but well when I release it, it goes back the same old direction. If I don't release it, it makes no difference.. the plane flies like a crab.

Any comments? Many thanks to all again.

alvin



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