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FS2002 Landing Clearences  
User currently offlineDlx737200 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1891 posts, RR: 20
Posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3977 times:

Is there anyway that you can get clearence to land on other runways then the same one and its reciprocol. For example at orlando International when winds are heading south you always land on 18L. Never 17 or 18R. And the opposite for the wind heading North. Is there a way to fix this without landing without premission. Any help is appreciated. Thanks!


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User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7383 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3792 times:

I also would like to know why you can't land on the r/w that you want to,like FS2K?


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User currently offlineDlx737200 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1891 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3766 times:

we should be able to ask premission to land on the runway of our choice.


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User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7383 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3750 times:

Yeah,you can't even choose when you plan your flight .Like at LAS ,where you land on 25L not R.


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User currently offlineDlx737200 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1891 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3749 times:

If Fs2002 didn't plan on flying planes on other runways, then why are the other runways there?


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User currently offlineCrank From Canada, joined May 2001, 1558 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3746 times:

choosing the landing runway when making the flight plan would make no sense, cuz the winds could change, the runway could be closed or anything.

I think that all the parallel runways should be used by the ATC instead of only one, it'd be more realistic.


User currently offlineDlx737200 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1891 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3734 times:

That's what I believe!


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User currently offlineBaec777 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1231 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3676 times:

In FS2K, it shows a line at take-off point to landing point. Thats what the GPS shows on flight plan & inflight... I had no choice, but I planned the departing & arriving runway of my choice..

For Example here...

I used the same AA 763er all the way from dfw to amm. just had to re-do flight plans. 3 Flight Plans !!


I planned a flight for DFW-JFK; JFK-LHR; LHR-AMM

INDEX
DFW-Dallas / Fort Worth Texas, USA
JFK-New York JFK, New York, USA
LHR-Heathrow Airport, London, UK
AMM-Queen Alia International, Amman, JORDAN




DFW 17R-|-JFK 31L - Boeing767-300ER American



JFK 31L-|-LHR 27R - B767-300ER American



LHR 27L-|-AMM 26R - B767-300ER American



Baec777  Nuts


User currently offlineSpacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3517 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3657 times:

In real life, pilots never choose the runway they're going to land on ahead of time; they don't know what the winds will be like when they get there. I don't know if they occasionally may ask at smaller airports for a specific runway when they're close to the airport, but they never plan ahead. And at large airports, there is no choice - there is an active runway (or sometimes two parallel active runways) based on the wind direction and that's it. Pilots are told, just as they are in FS2K2, to expect an approach to one runway or another, and then they take out the charts so they can figure out how to get there. No choice. Letting pilots pick their own runways would just screw up all the traffic patterns and put lots of planes on collision courses.

I do agree that it'd be a bit more realistic to have parallel runways in operation, which I've never seen in FS2K2. I sat holding short for about 10 minutes the other night (AI traffic maxed out) at JFK as I watched about 10 planes land and 10 more have to go-around because of the traffic, even though there was a parallel runway sitting there unused.

Weird thing is I flew into Boise (I think) the other night, and there are parallel runways there too - one of them has full approach lights (which were on) and is very long, yet I was told to land on the *other*, much shorter, not as well-lit runway. Wonder why.



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User currently offlineDlx737200 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1891 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3623 times:

I'm not talking about choosing runways before I take off. I'm talking about when I'm on finals, they should ask me which parallel runway I want to land on. Like at MCO on FS2K2 which I'm on finals to land and wind is heading south, they immediately put me on 18L. But it would be more realistic if you could request 17 or 18R. They're all heading the same direction but they're in differen't locations of the airport.


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User currently offlineGE From Singapore, joined Mar 2000, 320 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3616 times:

Yes, it's very irritating when you have to sit and wait for traffic to clear while there's an empty parallel runwway sitting unused.

User currently offlineMrjworth From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2000, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3610 times:

Have you guys told Microsoft this? Maybe there will be a patch.

User currently offlineNiteRider30 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3611 times:

Dlx737200: Part of what you are saying makes sense. I agree that they should allow more than one runway to be used at one time... IE, parallel runways, one for departing traffic, and the other for arriving... as they do in real life. But if you are flying the plane and arriving at an airport, you don't get to choose what runway to land on... you land where ATC tells you to land. What FS2K2 needs is for ATC to use multiple runways.

NiteRider30


User currently offlineDlx737200 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1891 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (12 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3606 times:

Here's what I meant about choosing the runway. Okay, I have a scanner at home that I listen to for MCO. I'll here planes coming in about 10 miles from the airport and they'll say,

Plane: "Orlando approach, Delta XXXX checking in"
ATC: "Roger Delta XXXX expect ILS approach runway 18L."
Plane: "Delta XXXX requesting runway 17 if possible."
ATC: "Roger, Delta XXXX expect finals for 17."
Plane: "Roger, Thanks."



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User currently offlineDlx737200 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1891 posts, RR: 20
Reply 14, posted (12 years 4 months 17 hours ago) and read 3508 times:

can anyone add to this?


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User currently offlineEi 168 From Ireland, joined Oct 2001, 63 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (12 years 4 months 2 hours ago) and read 3473 times:

No I don't think there is. But last week i was flying an IFR to palma de mallorca in the med sea. I was given a clearence to 6L. This week I was doing the same route and given runway 24R. But i changed the dates and time. That might have something to do with it.

User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 16, posted (12 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3453 times:

It's a bit of a bother, yes. But I'm happy enough that there now is ATC at all (and it does a bloddy good job despite minor gripes such as this) that I for one am happy to wait until either an official patch or the next version of MSFS.
Remember that implementing multiple runways or runway requests will make the ATC more memory and CPU intensive, which will eat into the performance (in other words, the holy framerates will suffer).



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User currently offlineDC-10 Levo From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 3432 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3404 times:

So if I wanted to get from Miami to Heathrow, i'd have to create multiple flight plans?

Thats a bit stupid!

DC-10


User currently offlineContinental From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5499 posts, RR: 19
Reply 18, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3398 times:

No, only one flight plan is needed! Just type departing airport, Miami, arriving airport, London. Then pick VFR, IFR, or something like VIRF. Then pick low altitude airways, high altitude airways, VOR to VOR, etc. Only one flight plan is need, there will be a need for another one only if you want to stop at another airport on the way!

Continental


User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7383 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3367 times:

It took me 3 tries to land the fabulous A^A 727 at Atlanta! I was told to go around 3 times!


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User currently offlineGOT From Sweden, joined Dec 2000, 1912 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3349 times:

In the manual for ATC it says that you may land on another runway than instructed and that you will then be told to clear the runway.
It also clearly says that you can't ask for ánother runway. Hopefully they will make a patch or add it to next FS version.

GOT



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User currently offlineMika From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 2840 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3306 times:

FS2k2 is far from perfect, i'm looking forward to get fs2004. Although the ATC made fs2k2 the best fs around these days.

User currently offlineJmacias34 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 379 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3295 times:

What I would like to see from a FS2002 patch or future version is two different active runways. One and approach and the other a departing. Like at LAX, SFO, ONT, technically any airport with parallels we should be able to see other patterns. I hate having to wait 30min because there is only one active runway. And also the fact that we would have company traffic on approach would be cool.

User currently offlineTWA717_200 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3265 times:

Here's how I get the runway I want. I go to Local Weather and make sure the wind direction is blowing down the runway that I want to use. Works everytime! That won't, of course, get you a L, R, or C choice, but it will give you the direction you want!

User currently offlineChrisKSDF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3255 times:

At most airports, controllers know which planes park where, and obviously which direction they're arriving from, and will try their damndest to get them to the most convenient runway, without the pilot asking for anything.

For example, at MCO, Delta, Southwest, Airtran, and most international carriers arrive on Runway 17 because their airsides are on the east side of the field. Most other airlines land on 18R/L as it's closer to their gates. ATC will try their best to get these airplanes on the most convenient runway, and 99% of the time they're successful.

There may be certain times, however, that traffic/weather conditions don't permit such operations, and thus, I've seen parallel approaches to 36R/35 at MCO by BA/Virgin 747's, even though they'll be parking two gates apart.

It is ashamed that FS2002 ATC only seems to recognize one runway, for example, at a time. If I'm departing out of ORD in real life, unless bombs have been dropped on the other 5 runways, 32L/14R is not going to be the *only* active runway. Most likely, in wind conditions favoring 32L departures, ORD will be departing 22L, 32R, 32L from T10 intersection, and landing 27L/R and 22R.

Wish FS could've gotten this right.


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