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Ever Had To Land At 180 Kts In Flight Simulator?  
User currently offlineJgore From Argentina, joined Feb 2002, 550 posts, RR: 2
Posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 7690 times:

It allways happened to me.
Original planes that comes with FS they don't have this problem, but when you install new planes, specially the heavys, in order to get the glideslope centered, you have to approach in abnormal speeds, till you are forced to land about 180 knots in case of a 747 for example.
Is this an error of Flight Simulator ? or some kind of incompatilbility with the ones you wanna install ?
Thanks


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User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 34
Reply 1, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 7628 times:

I always land at 180-200kts  Smile

User currently offline777-200 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 1020 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 7617 times:

What 747 were you using? i Usally Land the heavy's at 150-170kts.


777-200 Smile/happy/getting dizzy



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User currently offlineJgore From Argentina, joined Feb 2002, 550 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 7615 times:

i generally use the 747-400., but even with a 757-767 happens.


User currently offline777-200 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 1020 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 7610 times:

nonono who made the 747-400? PSS? Posky? who?

777-200 Smile/happy/getting dizzy



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User currently offlineJgore From Argentina, joined Feb 2002, 550 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 7603 times:

i have no idea, no matter who makes the heavys, this allways happened.

User currently offline777-200 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 1020 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 7601 times:

Do you land your Planes fully loaded with fuel?


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User currently offlineJgore From Argentina, joined Feb 2002, 550 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 7593 times:

i'm afraid yes

User currently offline777-200 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 1020 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 7592 times:

Well, Try to Land with about 20% of fuel in every tank

777-200 Smile/happy/getting dizzy



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User currently offlineJgore From Argentina, joined Feb 2002, 550 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 7589 times:

but if i'm not in th 20's, how do i dump fuel ?

User currently offline777-200 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 1020 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 7587 times:

on the FS taskbar click on: Aircraft then Fuel then put in 20% in all the tanks


Another Day, Another Dollar.... Young Jeezy
User currently offlineJgore From Argentina, joined Feb 2002, 550 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 7582 times:

nnnaaaaahh, there should be a more realistic way to dump fuel. isn't there ?


User currently offline777-200 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 1020 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 7581 times:

Nope you cant dump fuel in Flight sim...but that would be cool! Big grin

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User currently offlineJgore From Argentina, joined Feb 2002, 550 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 7576 times:

yeah, it would be very realistic. anyhow, thanks for you help, i'll try to light up the plane by doing this.
JGORE  Smile


User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 7548 times:

You could dump fuel if you had a fuel dump gauge. But I'm not aware of anyone having made one of those  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


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User currently offlineEGFF From UK - Wales, joined Sep 2001, 2201 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 7546 times:

I do approaches at 180knts, and when im on finals im still around 170knts....by the time i touch down im at around 150-160knts......btw, i have never used ILS because i like to fly everything manually, can anyone tell me how to get it all set up?
EGFF



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User currently offlineJgore From Argentina, joined Feb 2002, 550 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (12 years 7 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 7528 times:

EGFF you mean how to get an ils set up ?

User currently offline777-200 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 1020 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (12 years 7 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 7511 times:

EGFF, There's a great tutorial In FS on how to do ILS Approaches.

777-200 Smile/happy/getting dizzy



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User currently offlineSkystar From Australia, joined Jan 2000, 1363 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (12 years 7 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7484 times:

You're not trying to land a 747 like a CRJ are you (nose down pitch on final)?

Typical approach speeds for the 747 are around 150kts with Flap 30 (it can vary anywhere from 140 to 165kias)

Here's a tip. When approaching, try & also keep the nose 2.5° up - that's realistic flying. It'll help keep your app speed down as well.

Cheers,

Justin


User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 19, posted (12 years 7 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7482 times:

Once landed an MD90 at 190 knots. Not needed, but was so busy figuring out a new panel I forgot to change the speedbug to approach speed and later to turn off the autothrottle  Smile
Overshot the runway and came to rest in the water beyond (no, not Meigs).



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User currently offlineJgore From Argentina, joined Feb 2002, 550 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (12 years 7 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 7479 times:

Skystar, as i noticed before, i realized that my problem is that i was landing with 80 porcent of fuel. i got to have 20 porcent and i wont need to land at high speeds.
As regarding what you said, keeping the nose up to 2.5 deg will be realistic and hard, remember that you have to keep a 300 hundred feet per minute descent. so it's kinda hard , but i will try.
jgore  Smile


User currently offlineFredT From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2002, 2185 posts, RR: 26
Reply 21, posted (12 years 7 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7473 times:

300 ft/min sounds a bit low. A good rule of thumb for a 3 degree GS is the airspeed times ten divided by two. I e, at 130KIAS,

VS=-130*10/2=650 ft/min.

Cheers,
Fred



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User currently offlineDash8King From Canada, joined Nov 2001, 2743 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (12 years 7 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7468 times:

I don't think the problem is the fuel, I always land high fuel and I can still land at 140-160 even with the heavies. I think the nose pitch might be the problem.

User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 34
Reply 23, posted (12 years 7 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7447 times:

Nose pitch shouldn't matter (ie. trimmed..), but I can't see that anyone would not learn to keep the nose up on approach.

I've found, with 70-100% fuel, you need to keep the nose pitched higher to maintain descent rate below 100ft/min and always leads to a very high nose touchdown. With low fuel, its alot easier to perform an approach and landing with the nose relatively low, although i've noticed the speed bleeds off far too much.


User currently offlineMika From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 2881 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (12 years 7 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7443 times:

i land 135-150 kts with most A/C.

25 N139j : Actually, dumping fuel is not realistic in an airliner. The PIC uses an E6-B and charts to determine how much fuel is required to make the trip, plus
26 FredT : Fuel calculation is an artform and usually done with the FMC these days. Fuel dumping is very realistic in an airliner, although not in routine ops of
27 Post contains images Jgore : Thanks for the info jgore
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