N139j From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 380 posts, RR: 1 Posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1931 times:
I hear the NTSB says it was "visual disorientation (sp?)" and that he losed control. What do u guys think??? i think it is a bunch of talk to get around saying it was JFK jr.'s fault. I think that he was not qualified for the flight and tried to do more than he was able to. well, what do u guys think about it??
Dazed767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5472 posts, RR: 52 Reply 2, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1827 times:
This asshole on national radio was talking about it tonight. He was on the program (not a caller) (don't know the name of it, sorry). He kept saying that it was the women in the back that caused him to ditch in the ocean. He was saying that since they just went to the mall, they were in the back pulling out dresses, and rambling on about it, and that JFK jr. couldn't take it anymore and wanted peace and ditched the plane. I think that was a load of %#&!. He pretty much ended it saying "if they would have shut up back there, that he would still be alive today". A lot of people kept calling in pretty much telling him he's full of it. I think he was just sexist, or gay. I can't believe they let this guy go on and on about it on the radio. Supposedly he was a pilot also, and other pilots called in, and this guy kept telling them that they were wrong and weren't real pilots. Anyways, I'll stop here, but it really made me mad about what he was saying.
N139J From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 380 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1819 times:
Pedro757, yes they did, but didnt they make it sound like it wasnt his fault that he was "visually disoriented(sp??)" or was it just me?
Dazed767, that was pretty stupid on his part. Was he fired?
Redngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 47 Reply 4, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1822 times:
Jr. committed a lot of errors...
First of all, if a flight instructor asked me if I wanted him/her to come along, I'd at least listen to his/her reasoning. And I'd probably spring for it, God knows Jr. had enough money to put the guy up overnight or for the weekend.
Second, he could have used his radio to call for help and he had other equipment he could have used for positioning and/or guidance. He had some instrument training.
I'm not saying I would never make the same mistakes... in fact I could see myself doing the same thing, if I was tired after a full day's work, I had to drop someone else off and then travel again before I got to where I was going, and I was frustrated because I couldn't see.
May they RIP.
Copper1 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 439 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1826 times:
JFK JR. had no business flying that aircraft that night. In typical Kennedy fashion though he did what he wanted.
There is no curse on the Kennedy family. They consistently make brutal decisions and figure that their money will get them out of any hole they dig for themselves.
What is up with the love affair with the Kennedy's. They are one of America's dirtiest political families and seem to be teflon coated. Most of their wealth was unlawfully obtained and Joe Kennedy was a scumbag. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree does it ?
The junk that was written in the papers and heard on the radio is just another example of the mass media and their unwillingness to portray the Kennedys for what they are.... rich , spoiled brats that continually find exotic ways to kill themselves.
The only sad part about this whole airplane crash is that two " innocent " people also died.
C172sb From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (13 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1821 times:
The correct term is spatial disorientation, and that is the fault of the pilot. Spatial disorientation is when what the pilot see's outside the window doesn't match with what he thinks he see's in his head. There is no problem with flying at night, you just have to know what your doing and be extra careful. Since his Saratoga was loaded with all the bells and whistles, he could have turned on the autopilot at the first sign of problems and prevented the whole accident.