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User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6409 times:

And the name is NOT FS2004 after all.
Release this summer (so not autumn as usual)!

Official announcement (with screenshots):
<http://zone.msn.com/flightsim/FS02SpecialFS9.asp>

Main points:

- improved ATC
- more (mainly historic) aircraft
- improved weather engine with realtime automated download
- clickable virtual cockpits
- new GPS units based on Garmin 400 and 500 series
- difference between Pro and Std versions dropped. Only a single version

price to be about $55 US.


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User currently offlineDC-10 Levo From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 3432 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6306 times:

Do you still think they'll release FS2004 or is this FS2004 but they called it FS9?
I hope so they still make a FS2004, but this looks pretty good.

DC-10


User currently offlineCaptain.md-11 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6306 times:

Having looked at the screen shots it looks pretty impressive, however I would have liked to have seen a few extra new features. Ahh well I can't ask for the impossible. I think I might stick with FS2002.


Twins,twins, everywhere.... but where are the three holers?
User currently offlineLonghaul747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 173 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6299 times:

At this point I am not sure if I should be happy or sad. This looks like a dressed up version of FS2002. It offers some pretty cool enhancements but it looks to be about 95% the same as FS2002.

I am also wondering if this is an interim version between FS2002 and FS2004?

At the last avsim social in speaking with the M$ guys it was mentioned that the next version of FS2004 would be a radical new design. It would no longer support the BGL code. In the short term this would be disappoint but in the long term we would be able to get better designs and of all things much better performance.

At the moment I am leaning towards disappointment because this looks like a dressed up version of FS2002. Will I buy it? Yeah of coarse I will.

Chris

[Edited 2003-02-10 22:05:56]

[Edited 2003-02-10 22:11:23]

User currently offlineMsh744 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 463 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6296 times:

Sounds pretty good, but as Captain.md-11 mentioned, I would like to see some new features besides those announced, but I'll get it anyways. Thanks for the heads-up.

-Msh744


User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6293 times:

Marketing says this IS FS2004.
Nothing else makes sense, they can't release the versions too close together (even 2 years is pushing it...).
Remember Microsoft never released a name for the new version. Personally I'd expected them to call it FS XP to follow the current product naming of Office and Windows.
The chosen name makes perfect sense if you consider marketing. "Century of Flight" is used all over the world for this year's activities surrounding the centennial of powered flight which is this year.

At the last avsim social in speaking with the M$ guys it was mentioned that the next version of FS2004 would be a radical new design. It would no longer support the GIG / SBGL), Brazil">BGL code. In the short term this would be disappoint but in the long term we would be able to get better designs and of all things much better performance.
Dropping support for the current BGL model won't happen until a replacement model has been in the product for 2 releases.
As there is no new model in FS2002, it won't be dropped until at least 2 versions AFTER this new release.
A new scenery model might be introduced, but current scenery should remain compatible.
This is Microsoft policy that they follow almost religiously (the only times they don't is when something turns out to have been a disastrous mistake which is extremely rare).

See above why I don't think it's an interim version (unless you consider 2 years to be an interim period. Some people consider every 2nd release an interim version, and skip it).

[Edited 2003-02-10 22:11:39]


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User currently offlineLonghaul747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 173 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6279 times:

Yeah I agree with you....

It would not make sense if this is an interim product. I also think dropping the pro-version and standard versions make sense. For the average consumer this caused confusion.

The weather looks much better and the sky looks a little refined. I see better textures for the autogen.

Hopefully they fixed the bugs in FS2002.


GIG / SBGL), Brazil">BGL code. I have no idea why airliners.net put all that garbage in my post..LOL. All I typed was BGL but when I posted it put all that extra garbage in there....STRANGE!!!!

Chris







User currently offlineCrank From Canada, joined May 2001, 1559 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6272 times:

I think that this is the FS2004 that we've all been waiting for, and in my opinion it looks pretty good. Just like any MSFS version, I'll have to go get it as soon as it comes out.

User currently offlineLonghaul747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 173 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6268 times:

I was looking closely at the Learjet and it looks to be more detailed then the old version from FS2000 and FS2002. Same with the Mooney. Hopefully all the default aircraft have been upgraded to G-Max.

Chris


User currently offlineTeahan From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 5293 posts, RR: 61
Reply 9, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 6259 times:

This would be great it is was a $20-30 expansion pack but as for paying $55, installing it and having to reinstall all of my current add-ons, I am not so sure. Will I end up buying it? Probably yes IF I don't need a new PC.

The screenshots look like FS2002 with a few add-ons.

Jeremiah


[Edited 2003-02-10 23:17:41]


Goodbye SR-LX MD-11 / 6th of March 1991 to the 31st of October 2004
User currently offlineDASH8KING From Canada, joined Nov 2001, 2742 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6232 times:

What are the new aircraft?

User currently offlineSharpnfuzzy From Canada, joined Jun 2001, 570 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6212 times:

Well I am dissapointed. I was hoping for totally new product, but to me this does indeed look like a fancied up version of 02. But I guess I'll have to try it out to see.

Hopefully, the improvements to the ATC will be significant and not just the implementations of things that are already in FS2002 but don't work such as; speed restrictions, wake turbulance warnings, direct routings... etc.


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6200 times:

This IS FS2004 folks and naming it Flight Simulator: A Century of Flight is an excellent move. Why? Because 2003 is century since the Wright Flyer 1 took off.

It's only appropriate to dedicate this version of Flight Simulator to celebrating 100 years of flight.

Perhaps the next version of Flight Simulator will be called FS2006.

It looks quite good. Graphics don't seem any different from FS2002, but that's fine with me. This new FS will have several improvements such as improved ATC (what we've all been waiting for) and the interactive 3D virtual cockpits.

Also, it will add 2000 new airports.  Smile

I'll buy this the first day it comes out.

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineDragon-wings From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3978 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6198 times:

These improvements sound very good.......Enhanced interactive air traffic control (ATC), including traffic at all airports around the world (including non-towered airports), altitude changes en route, pop-up IFR clearances, and precision and non-precision approaches to multiple runways. Scenery improvements, including taxiway and runway signs, enhanced auto-gen 3D objects, more high-detail airports, and improved lighting and sky effects. Dynamic weather system based on realistic atmospheric physics, with true three-dimensional clouds that form and dissipate, and automatic real-world weather updates when you're connected to the Internet.

The extra planes they say that will be in it doesn't really matter that much to me, cause I will hardly ever fly half of them and just download the ones I want from the net.

From the screenshots I seen it looks like they improved the look of the clouds a whole lot. The lighting looks very good too.



Don't give up don't ever give up - Jim Valvano
User currently offlineContinental From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5506 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6190 times:

I'm game. I'll end up getting it!

Continental


User currently offlineBrianhames From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 795 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6171 times:

The thing I want most in the next FS is better weather, and this looks like it will provide that, so I'm horny about it. Excellent.

Brian


User currently offlineDASH8KING From Canada, joined Nov 2001, 2742 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6091 times:

I am not to pleased with it and I don't think I will get it until I hear some good reviews.

User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 17, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6081 times:

You're not too pleased with what?
With Microsoft listening and spending more time on non-visual improvements than on eyecandy?
Because that's the only thing you can at this stage know (and that only very superficially) about the product.

And if you look for more than a fleeting glance at the screenshots you'll see that even in these (and may I remind that those are an early prerelease version) shots the eyecandy too has improved quite a bit from the FS2002 defaults (though not quite to the level that 3rd party addons can provide, but that's logical if you consider that those are spot areas and not global like the default scenery).

From those small previews the most important aspects of the sim and the improvements cannot be seen:
- flight dynamics
- weather engine
- ATC engine
- general performance
All those should be a marked improvement on anything we've seen before, yet don't show up in screenshots...



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User currently offlineDC-10 Levo From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 3432 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6083 times:

Oh I can't believe that this IS FS2004.
I'm sticking with 02. $55 (£40) is too much because like Longhaul747 said, this is 95% of FS2002.

DC-10


User currently offlineCrank From Canada, joined May 2001, 1559 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6067 times:

With only a few screenshots available you can't say that this is 95% FS2002, I'd wait to try the sim before saying that...

User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 20, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 6059 times:

The only part that's 95% FS2002 is the core scenery... And even that looks to be more like 75% than 95  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

People are just making up excuses for themselves to use a pirated copy claiming it "should have been a free upgrade so I'm not doing anything wrong" and BS like that.
Others are just sounding the party line (it's Microsoft so it must be bad) or don't think further than what they can see looking at a screenshot of a prerelease version that has been downsized for web use for half a second.



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User currently offlineDC-10 Levo From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 3432 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 6050 times:

I still wish they'd create FS2004.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

DC-10


User currently offlineCrank From Canada, joined May 2001, 1559 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 6038 times:

This IS FS2004, it's just the name that's different from what we expected.

User currently offlineDC-10 Levo From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 3432 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 6037 times:

It's totally different from what we expected.

DC-10


User currently offlineJj From Algeria, joined Jun 2001, 1227 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6032 times:

But if it's FS: A Century Of Flight, then its FS 2003. Plus it will be released at mid year not autumn, so......I'm buying it anyway. Looks great!

25 Continental : I don't think it's totally different than expected! It has a bunch of new crap, which is what we expected. What else could they do!? Continental
26 DASH8KING : I am satisfied with my 02 there is nothing on 04 that really makes me think it is worth 55US. Nothing against microsoft. I hope that 06 is better.
27 Beefmoney : You guys have to remember that this is still in the extreme alpha stage. There are tons of things they are still working and not ready yet so most of
28 Soontobepilot : $55 is not that much, folks! For as much time as many of you put into simming, it seems that it would be worth spending this measly amount for the top
29 Sharpnfuzzy : It is NOWHERE NEAR DONE YET. Actually if it is being released in the summer it is very much DONE. It is now probably entering testing if it already is
30 Deltaalpha : I dont know why so many people say that they will stick with fs2002. They said that after fs2000. Its just another evolution of the product. I think i
31 DASH8KING : There is a HUGE difference between fs2000 and fs2002 so don't even compare them. There is nothing that catches my eye on FS2004 and I am satisfied wit
32 Post contains links Longhaul747 : I was a little skeptical at first but I have since changed my mind....Look at the links below. http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2003/news/02/11/fl
33 Deltaalpha : No one is comparing 2002 with 2000 at least im not Im just saying folks shouldnt be so quick to denounce the new product. Delta Alpha
34 Jwenting : they're just making up excuses to use a pirated copy... "it should have been a patch, so I'm entitled to get it free", "it's so bad it's not worth the
35 BA : I gotta tell you folks, it's pathetic how some of you automatically judge the game by screenshots and only seem to care about graphics. Most of you pr
36 SKYSERVICE_330 : Who are you to judge or say what a real "flight simulator" is? It means different things to different people. You cannot categorize people as "real" f
37 Post contains links and images Captaingomes : I'm always happy to see a new MSFS come out. I am much like a few others here, a bit disappointed that it didn't go further. What this means though is
38 DASH8KING : I haven't even seen the the screenshots I am just judging it from what I read. I have a crappy computer so if it had better graphics it just make the
39 Post contains links and images Continental : Continental
40 Post contains links Continental : Fri-gatza, it didn't work. continental
41 Mika : I don't know about you guys but i'm drooling over this: Enhanced interactive air traffic control (ATC), including traffic at all airports around the w
42 NormalSpeed : Wow, Did Microsoft read my posts of suggestions for FS2k4? It looks like I got just about everything I wanted!--With the bonuses of the historic aircr
43 Post contains images DC-10 Levo : Ok, I've checked the screenshots over again, and I like it! The scenery in that screenshot posted by Continental is great, and I'd also like to see im
44 Ryanb741 : I wonder what processor/GFX card resources it will require, compared to 2002. I upgraded my PC specifically for 2002, so I hope I don't have to fork o
45 Dash8King : I will probably end up getting it as a Bday present anyways so I won't have to pay the $100 dollars.
46 B727-200 : I have always thought the game needed more work on gameplay realism than on its graphics, so if that is the path they have taken then bring it on!!!!
47 Jwenting : posted minimal specs are similar to those for FS2002, and Mauri Pratt from Avsim who spoke with the team said they're concentrating heavily on perform
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