- improved ATC
- more (mainly historic) aircraft
- improved weather engine with realtime automated download
- clickable virtual cockpits
- new GPS units based on Garmin 400 and 500 series
- difference between Pro and Std versions dropped. Only a single version
Captain.md-11 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 704 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6109 times:
Having looked at the screen shots it looks pretty impressive, however I would have liked to have seen a few extra new features. Ahh well I can't ask for the impossible. I think I might stick with FS2002.
Twins,twins, everywhere.... but where are the three holers?
Longhaul747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 173 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6102 times:
At this point I am not sure if I should be happy or sad. This looks like a dressed up version of FS2002. It offers some pretty cool enhancements but it looks to be about 95% the same as FS2002.
I am also wondering if this is an interim version between FS2002 and FS2004?
At the last avsim social in speaking with the M$ guys it was mentioned that the next version of FS2004 would be a radical new design. It would no longer support the BGL code. In the short term this would be disappoint but in the long term we would be able to get better designs and of all things much better performance.
At the moment I am leaning towards disappointment because this looks like a dressed up version of FS2002. Will I buy it? Yeah of coarse I will.
Jwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 20 Reply 5, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6096 times:
Marketing says this IS FS2004.
Nothing else makes sense, they can't release the versions too close together (even 2 years is pushing it...).
Remember Microsoft never released a name for the new version. Personally I'd expected them to call it FS XP to follow the current product naming of Office and Windows.
The chosen name makes perfect sense if you consider marketing. "Century of Flight" is used all over the world for this year's activities surrounding the centennial of powered flight which is this year.
At the last avsim social in speaking with the M$ guys it was mentioned that the next version of FS2004 would be a radical new design. It would no longer support the GIG / SBGL), Brazil">BGL code. In the short term this would be disappoint but in the long term we would be able to get better designs and of all things much better performance.
Dropping support for the current BGL model won't happen until a replacement model has been in the product for 2 releases.
As there is no new model in FS2002, it won't be dropped until at least 2 versions AFTER this new release.
A new scenery model might be introduced, but current scenery should remain compatible.
This is Microsoft policy that they follow almost religiously (the only times they don't is when something turns out to have been a disastrous mistake which is extremely rare).
See above why I don't think it's an interim version (unless you consider 2 years to be an interim period. Some people consider every 2nd release an interim version, and skip it).
Teahan From Belgium, joined Nov 1999, 5274 posts, RR: 62 Reply 9, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6062 times:
This would be great it is was a $20-30 expansion pack but as for paying $55, installing it and having to reinstall all of my current add-ons, I am not so sure. Will I end up buying it? Probably yes IF I don't need a new PC.
The screenshots look like FS2002 with a few add-ons.
[Edited 2003-02-10 23:17:41]
Goodbye SR-LX MD-11 / 6th of March 1991 to the 31st of October 2004
Sharpnfuzzy From Canada, joined Jun 2001, 570 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6015 times:
Well I am dissapointed. I was hoping for totally new product, but to me this does indeed look like a fancied up version of 02. But I guess I'll have to try it out to see.
Hopefully, the improvements to the ATC will be significant and not just the implementations of things that are already in FS2002 but don't work such as; speed restrictions, wake turbulance warnings, direct routings... etc.
BA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11150 posts, RR: 60 Reply 12, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6003 times:
This IS FS2004 folks and naming it Flight Simulator: A Century of Flight is an excellent move. Why? Because 2003 is century since the Wright Flyer 1 took off.
It's only appropriate to dedicate this version of Flight Simulator to celebrating 100 years of flight.
Perhaps the next version of Flight Simulator will be called FS2006.
It looks quite good. Graphics don't seem any different from FS2002, but that's fine with me. This new FS will have several improvements such as improved ATC (what we've all been waiting for) and the interactive 3D virtual cockpits.
Also, it will add 2000 new airports.
I'll buy this the first day it comes out.
"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
Dragon-wings From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3939 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6001 times:
These improvements sound very good.......Enhanced interactive air traffic control (ATC), including traffic at all airports around the world (including non-towered airports), altitude changes en route, pop-up IFR clearances, and precision and non-precision approaches to multiple runways. Scenery improvements, including taxiway and runway signs, enhanced auto-gen 3D objects, more high-detail airports, and improved lighting and sky effects. Dynamic weather system based on realistic atmospheric physics, with true three-dimensional clouds that form and dissipate, and automatic real-world weather updates when you're connected to the Internet.
The extra planes they say that will be in it doesn't really matter that much to me, cause I will hardly ever fly half of them and just download the ones I want from the net.
From the screenshots I seen it looks like they improved the look of the clouds a whole lot. The lighting looks very good too.
Jwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 20 Reply 17, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5884 times:
You're not too pleased with what?
With Microsoft listening and spending more time on non-visual improvements than on eyecandy?
Because that's the only thing you can at this stage know (and that only very superficially) about the product.
And if you look for more than a fleeting glance at the screenshots you'll see that even in these (and may I remind that those are an early prerelease version) shots the eyecandy too has improved quite a bit from the FS2002 defaults (though not quite to the level that 3rd party addons can provide, but that's logical if you consider that those are spot areas and not global like the default scenery).
From those small previews the most important aspects of the sim and the improvements cannot be seen:
- flight dynamics
- weather engine
- ATC engine
- general performance
All those should be a marked improvement on anything we've seen before, yet don't show up in screenshots...
Jwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 20 Reply 20, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5862 times:
The only part that's 95% FS2002 is the core scenery... And even that looks to be more like 75% than 95
People are just making up excuses for themselves to use a pirated copy claiming it "should have been a free upgrade so I'm not doing anything wrong" and BS like that.
Others are just sounding the party line (it's Microsoft so it must be bad) or don't think further than what they can see looking at a screenshot of a prerelease version that has been downsized for web use for half a second.