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FS2004 Is Really Disappointing  
User currently offlineDlx737200 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1903 posts, RR: 20
Posted (10 years 12 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4677 times:

I have been looking foward to this for a long time and today I went out and bought it and all I have to say is that I'm really disappointed with it. Yes, the ATC and weather imporvements are great but it's choppy as hell. By choppy I mean I'm only getting like 8-10 fps even in clear weather. I'm doubling my ram soon but i don't even know how much that will help. Here are my computer's specifications:

HP 7935 Pavilion
1.3 Mhz Athlon processor
256mb of Ram
40 gb hard drive with 15 free
64 mb Gefore 2 card
etc etc

Anyone know what I can do to improve in addition to more ram and maybe a new video card?

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User currently offlineNormalSpeed From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 12 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4638 times:

Mine's a little choppy too. I think beefing up your RAM should help. Also I had to tweak the visual settings a bit.

-Normal


User currently offlineCrank From Canada, joined May 2001, 1559 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (10 years 12 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4621 times:

Mine's also a little choppy even on a 1,53 GHz processor with medium settings, but it's not that bad and I can live with it.

User currently offlinePortcolumbus From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 1614 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (10 years 12 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4619 times:

Definately beef up the RAM, but the 1.3Ghz is towards the lower end of the stick nowadays.

User currently offlineContinental From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5507 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (10 years 12 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4568 times:

You nutz!?!?! I have a 1 ghz which I fly on. It was only OK, some choppiness with 128 mb of ram! I upgraded to 384 for $15, and it is SMOOOOOTHH, I was flying in the Carribean, I had the LOCK FPS at 40, and it stayed at 40 the entire time! I have to slide the slider up next time! It's definetely the RAM.

co


User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (10 years 12 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4568 times:

You can't expect to get the same performance with everything turned on you did on FS2002...

Most people are reporting BETTER performance with the same level of detail...

But then your machine is seriously out of date.
Add another 512MB RAM and add a geForce 4Ti card (NOT an MX).
FS9 uses DirectX 8 and 9 commands for optimal performance and those aren't supported by your old GF2 card so they have to be emulated in software which is slower.



I wish I were flying
User currently offlineDragon-wings From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3979 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 12 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4559 times:

Add another 512MB RAM and add a geForce 4Ti card (NOT an MX)

Thats exactly what I will be doing. Now I have 256MB RAM and Im going to get it up to 512MB RAM. Now I have a GeForce2 MX 400 graphic card and I will be getting a new one (not sure which one though)

Right now with FS2004 Im getting FPS around the low to mid teens.



Don't give up don't ever give up - Jim Valvano
User currently offlineSkihigh2002 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 12 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4553 times:

How often are you people buying computers???? Last August, before I started school I purchased a 1.13 gHz Sony VAIO laptop. It's only a year old--I would hardly call my machine "seriously out of date." ----- But anyway, I'm getting the same performance I did out of FS2002, great on the ground and in the air...crappy in clouds.. REALLY crappy in heavy clouds..

Chris/MEM


User currently offline767ALLTHEWAY From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 659 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 12 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4554 times:

So i guess im good to go with 1GB of RAM huh?


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User currently offlineShawn Patrick From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 2608 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (10 years 12 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4518 times:

How will my comp perform with FS2004? Specs will be:

P4, 2.4 ghz @ 400mhz
512mb RAM
GeForce Ti4200, 128mb ram
Windows 2000

Is there a better, comparably-priced video card than the Ti4200 for FS2004? Maybe ATI?

Thanks
Shawn


User currently offlineCovert From Ghana, joined Oct 2001, 1450 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (10 years 12 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4511 times:

Is there a better, comparably-priced video card than the Ti4200 for FS2004? Maybe ATI?

The ATi Radeon series.

I have a GeForce TI4600 though, never used the Radeon, but the reviews put ATi and Nvidia as head to head competitors with ATi slightly heading.



thank goodness for TCAS !
User currently offlineShawn Patrick From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 2608 posts, RR: 17
Reply 11, posted (10 years 12 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4512 times:

Thanks, I'm posting a new topic on that question.

User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 12 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4530 times:

At least you guys can get it to run; every time I try to run it, my screen turns black and displays a red rectangle saying "out of range". My computer is not even 4 months old, so it more than meets the minimum system requirements. I've tried adjusting the monitor settings to no avail, and I've ran diagnostics, and it says everything is running right. Tech support for my computer leaves at lot to be desired (I tried online tech support and got fed up after 10 minutes of waiting for an answer), and Microsoft hasn't got any tech support stuff up for MSFS2004 yet, and I've even downloaded the newest video drivers to.

User currently offlineNorthStarDC4M From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2991 posts, RR: 37
Reply 13, posted (10 years 12 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4503 times:
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Srbmod, sounds like you're trying to run it with a too high screen resolution, try deleting the FS2004.cfg file and trying again.


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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 12 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4503 times:

I actually got it to work by starting it up in safe mode; I closed it several times, restarted it not only through the program folder, I also was able to get it to load off of the desktop icon.

User currently offlineNormalSpeed From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 12 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4491 times:

It seems like my choppyness problems are solved. I tweaked things a little bit, and started running it on the resolution that my graphics card was supporting.... Man it looks sweet.

-Normal


User currently offlineDlx737200 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1903 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (10 years 12 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4482 times:

Well I'm going to BestBuy this week to buy another 256 megabytes of ram which will total me to 512mb. Hopefully it will be smooth then. I can't really afford a new video card. I'm only 15 for cryin out loud! Even if I could afford it, I don't know how great the card would perform because for some STUPID reason, HP built my computer with no AGP slot. So any add-on video cards have to be PCI only. That's what my Geforce 2 is.

User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 17, posted (10 years 12 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4455 times:

Thats exactly what I will be doing. Now I have 256MB RAM and Im going to get it up to 512MB RAM. Now I have a GeForce2 MX 400 graphic card and I will be getting a new one (not sure which one though)


nono, ADD 512MB. Don't go TO 512MB!

For videocards, the geForce 4Ti4200 and 4600 are the best cards out there.
ATI is according to some a bit faster but you'd need their 9700 line which is quite expensive, and the geForce FX cards are better than that.
ATI also is well known for driver problems and in fact people using their cards are currently struggling because several rendering options that are new in DirectX 9 are not properly implemented leaving them with badlooking FS.

Your machine most likely DOES have an AGP slot, but you don't see it.
It's used by the integrated card on your motherboard (which you apparently already shut down  Smile).



I wish I were flying
User currently offlineDragon-wings From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3979 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 12 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4455 times:

nono, ADD 512MB. Don't go TO 512MB!

Thats what I ment to say  Laugh out loud


[Edited 2003-07-30 08:02:07]


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User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 19, posted (10 years 12 months 3 days ago) and read 4374 times:

I update my computer several times a year with some new components.
About every 3 years it gets completely replaced but by that time the only things still in it from the original one are the motherboard, harddisks, CD drive and part of the RAM (and those harddisks and CD usually get reused in the new machine).



I wish I were flying
User currently offlineDlx737200 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1903 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (10 years 12 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4283 times:

Ok.... I just went and bought another 256mb of ram and expanded my computer to 512mb of ram. But guess what.... IT'S STILL CHOPPY!!! So after seeing that the framerates were still low, I went back to best buy and spent $128 dollars on a new video card. Here my current updated specs of my computer.

HP 7935 Pavilion
1.3 Ghz Athlon processor
512mb of Ram
40 gb hard drive with 15 free
128 mb Gefore FX 5200 PCI card
etc etc

But guess what, I installed it and took off in a 737 at MCO with fair weather and it's still only getting 10-14 fps. WHAT IS UP???? I've spent about $300 dollars on this DAMN simulator now and it's still not up to my standards that I had with FS2002. On 2002 I had at least 25 fps. What is wrong???

Any comment is appreciated. Thanks!

-Justin


[Edited 2003-07-31 20:16:30]

User currently offlineNorthStarDC4M From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2991 posts, RR: 37
Reply 21, posted (10 years 12 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4267 times:
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ok well, im gonna guess its something else stealing clock cycles, either a memory resident program or a nasty code (virus/trojan/worm). Check your system tray and task manager before you load FS, try shutting down anti-virus software and compression utilities, especailly shut down things like the WinAmp and RealOne players in the taskbar or IM programs like MSN or AOL IM.

Also FS2004 WILL take more resources with all the sliders maxed out, especailly check hardware lights in the display hardware settings, setting this high will seriously degrade performance even for people with 3.2ghz/GFFX5900Ultra/2GB of RAM systems, i run with 3, never any more than that. Also try bilinear filtering instead of trilinear (with the 5200 there wont be much visual difference anyways). Make sure you also have the newest WHQL approved Detonators for your card (44.53 i think it is now?)

Im running an Athlon XP1800+ with a Radeon 9600Pro, 512MB PC2100 DDR and well lets just say lots of HD space, and i dont get much over 20FPS anywhere on the ground, but it is SMOOTH, not choppy, even under 10FPS its very smooth considering and im SURE its my CPU thats the bottleneck now, just running 3DMark 2001 and 2003 tells me that much.



Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
User currently offlineN757st From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 years 12 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4271 times:

The reason that you are getting a crap framerate is because the components in your computer are not that great... The geforce fx 5200 is one of the slowest graphics chipsets on the market, slower then a geforce 3 ti 500. What you need is more ram, you got that covered, and decent GPU, ie: radeon 9500pro, 9700pro, 9800pro, geforce 5600,5900. To the poster that said get the ti4200... dude... the radeon is much faster, the 9700pro is close to twice the speed of the geforce 4 series and the geforce slows to a crawl with fsaa. The new cats are just as stable as the dets btw.

My system:

Athlon 2400+
512 pc 2700 DDR
Radeon 9700pro

Flight sim runs at about 40 fps with almost all eye candy and fsaa turned on.


User currently offlineZrb2 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 895 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (10 years 12 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4264 times:

I've spent about $300 dollars on this DAMN simulator now and it's still not up to my standards that I had with FS2002. On 2002 I had at least 25 fps. What is wrong???

Thanks for the warning. I'm having a similar experience with FS2004 but after hearing your story, I'm not dropping bucks on new video or RAM until I know it will make a big difference. Keep us posted on your quest for better FPS.


User currently offlineSharpnfuzzy From Canada, joined Jun 2001, 570 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (10 years 12 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4215 times:

Buying the lowest end of a new card line is never a good idea, because they are usually worse then high/mid end cards from the previous generation. If I was you I'd take that FX5200 back.



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