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At Last, No More Go-Arounds And Holding Patterns!  
User currently offlineGofly From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 1727 posts, RR: 38
Posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 11454 times:
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User currently offlineN754AN From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 11417 times:

About time! Have you tried it out yet?

I have downloaded it but wont be flying on FS until the weekend at the earliest!!

Let me know how you get on with it.

Chris

P.S.. I was browsing through virtual plane pics earlier and i saw the name "Gofly" on there LOL  rotfl  Great pics!


User currently offlineGofly From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 1727 posts, RR: 38
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 11412 times:
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Thanks Chris!

I have tried it, I took a short hop from DUB-LHR. It includes more than meets the eye, like for instance you can set the spacing/time between the aircraft, and the runway roll out speeds. (You need the latest version of FSUIPC)

I flew into LHR, I didn't get put into a holding pattern, but others did! It was great, I didn't have to go-around!



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21637 posts, RR: 55
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 11368 times:

Do you ever get put into a holding pattern? If other planes do, I'd feel a bit guilty if I was always given priority handling.

-Mir



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User currently offlineNighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 5157 posts, RR: 33
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 11351 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 3):
Do you ever get put into a holding pattern? If other planes do, I'd feel a bit guilty if I was always given priority handling.

you could always just circle a few times anyway, to ease the guilt?



That'll teach you
User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 11343 times:

Just downloaded the file, ill try it out later.

C Ya

Lee



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User currently offlineAmy From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 1150 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11312 times:

Great! Just downloaded it and I'm just about to fly AMS-BRS so i'll use it and post again later.


A340-300 - slow, but awesome!
User currently offlineFiddleSticks From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 11301 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 3):
I'd feel a bit guilty

Only guilty if you were holding actual people up  Big grin

I've had the last few betas of this program and think it works quite well. At present FSUIPC does not supply bank angle information so you may see aircraft at extreme angles and upside down at times. It does what it says though. There is also AI Traffic Separation (fsaisv1.1.zip on Avsim) that will slew the offending aircraft in reverse a prescribed distance to maintain separation. I have both but haven't put them in a head to head test yet. I'll give it go some time in the next few days.



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User currently offlineAmy From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 1150 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 11284 times:

Unfortunately my flight test revealed little. Bristol isn't busy enough to check it out! I'll try to head somewhere big next to give it a proper try.


A340-300 - slow, but awesome!
User currently offlineQ330 From Australia, joined Dec 2003, 1460 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 11269 times:

Quoting FiddleSticks (Reply 7):
I have both but haven't put them in a head to head test yet. I'll give it go some time in the next few days.

I look forward to hearing about that test. I've downloaded both, but haven't installed either yet. I think I'll wait until someone like you gives an actual description of the pros and cons of each.

-Q



Long live the A330!
User currently offlineJamesbuk From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 3968 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 11183 times:

i think not getting put into a holding pattern lessens the experience and i think go arounds are pretty cool so personally i think this would be a big waste of time for me


You cant have your cake and eat it... What the hells the point in having it then!!!
User currently offlineA3204eva From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1060 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 11176 times:

Simple solution: Fly on VATSIM

It's more realistic to be put into a holding pattern at the bigger airports



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User currently offlineFiddleSticks From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 11170 times:

I tried out AI Smooth V1 today @ LHR here are the results:

Time monitored: 0930-1030 on Friday (let sim run for one hour before monitoring to get itself sorted out)

Landings varied from 10min early to 1hr+ late.

Takeoffs: 19
Landings: 19
Crashes: 2
Oddities: 2
Go Arounds: 0
Disappearances due to holding short for too long: 0

My Settings (Default):


Oddities: This program didn't get along with the FSPainter 777 all that well. The BA plane slammed HARD into the ground about 5 miles out and went around in circles appearing at the end of the runway every 5 minutes or so.
The UA plane was to arrive at 0855 and at 1030 was still holding, just rolling and rolling. At other times I've seen such problems with other aircraft as well.




I'll get the AI Traffic Traffic Separation test done in the comming days and post my results here.



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User currently offlineSan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4943 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 11149 times:

Wow... I downloaded it but haven't tried it yet... hope that doesn't happen at LAX!


Scotty doesn't know...
User currently offlineYooYoo From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 6057 posts, RR: 50
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 11127 times:

What's the latest version FSUPIC?

...and does this addon require the latest version.?

thanks


Andreas  spin 



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User currently offlineFiddleSticks From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 11119 times:

Both addons require FSUIPC (http://www.schiratti.com/dowson.html) latest version is 3.48

The biggest difference between the two programs is what they do to the AI aircraft to get them to conform. AI Smooth instructs the aircraft to do a 180 fly away from the airport three miles and turn back around. FS AI Separation slews the offending aircraft backwards until it a proper distance behind the aircraft in front of it. The biggest problem with AI Smooth is that it has no way to control bank angle so you end up with aircraft flying upside down and flying half way under ground.

My thoughts for what'd work best is FS AI Separation with a larger separation radius than I used would work quite well. Once AI Smooth gets the problem gets the bank angle issue solved I'd reduce the separation time just a bit and that should work quite well also. Bottom line, take your pick.

FS AI Separation results:

I tried it out over the time period as the last test at LHR using identical techniques. Only difference was the AI handling program.

Landings were all on time (+/- 15 min from sched).

Takeoffs: 15
Landings: 27
Crashes: 0
Oddities: 0
Go Arounds: 5
Disappearances due to holding short for too long: 0

Settings:



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User currently offlineUA772IAD From Australia, joined Jul 2004, 1730 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 11097 times:

Fiddlesticks:
What is that scanner I see in your sceenshots? Does that come with the program, or is it a separate download, I would love to get a copy, myself.


User currently offlineQ330 From Australia, joined Dec 2003, 1460 posts, RR: 21
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 11092 times:

Thanks for that, FiddleSticks. thumbsup  I'll get around to trying one of them out some day.

Quoting UA772IAD (Reply 16):
Fiddlesticks:
What is that scanner I see in your sceenshots? Does that come with the program, or is it a separate download

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the TCAS and flight info scanner come with Ultimate Traffic.

-Q



Long live the A330!
User currently offlineFiddleSticks From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11071 times:

The TCAS is part of Ultimate Traffic. The flight info scanner is on avsim.com, just search for tvb_v2.1.zip.


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User currently offlineUA772IAD From Australia, joined Jul 2004, 1730 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 11057 times:

Thanks, but I have UT... how do you access the TCAS?

User currently offlineFiddleSticks From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 11055 times:

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User currently offlineYooYoo From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 6057 posts, RR: 50
Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 11051 times:

wow...i never knew about the TCAS.....super info.

Thanks

Andreas  spin 



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