Tbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7011 posts, RR: 28 Posted (8 years 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 5899 times:
Hello everybody. I'm interested in doing an FS2004 fly-in. I think it would be fun if we could get together online/multiplayer and fly into an airport. Here's what I've come up with.
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The airport of interest is:
KBIH - Eastern Sierra Regional Airport
Bishop, California, USA
Elevation - 4120 feet
Runways:
12/30 - 7498 x 100 ft.
16/34 - 5600 x 100 ft.
7/25 - 5566 x 100 ft.
Nearby Major Airports:
KFAT - Fresno Yosemite International Airport (74.1 nm ENE 061 deg)
KRNO - Reno/Tahoe International Airport (143.6 nm SSE 153 deg)
KLAS - McCarran International Airport (172.8 nm WNW 297 deg)
KOAK - Metropolitan Oakland International Airport (184.7 nm E 096 deg)
KLAX - Los Angeles International Airport (205.8 nm N 001 deg)
The Eastern Sierra Regional Airport is located two miles east of the city of Bishop, CA. It is nestled in the Owens Valley between the beautiful Sierra Nevada Mountain range to the west and the White Mountain Range to the east. Nearby is Mt. Whitney, the tallest mountain in the lower 48 states measuring at 14,494 feet. The area has great hiking, fishing, sightseeing, sailing, hang-gliding, etc.
At the airport is Sierra Wings Restauraunt. With an affordable menu of a variety of foods, this is the perfect stop for aviators in the area.
FiddleSticks From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 210 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 5837 times:
It would be best to stick to default aircraft for this I think. The aircraft will only display on other's computer if they have the exact same thing installed (with matching title) themselves, if they don't have your aircraft all they'll see is a copy of what they are flying. Also the default aircraft use multiple levels of detail (which many other UI aircraft don't) so that would lighten the load on those who don't have a great deal of spare computer horsepower.
Just ask Chris what happens when you get a bunch of Meljet 777s on the screen at one time!
This sounds like lots of fun.
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Tbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7011 posts, RR: 28 Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5803 times:
ZOTAN,
I haven't and don't use VATSIM, tried it once and had a lot of difficulty. Right now I don't know if I have the time to learn how to use it, but maybe I will.
If not using VATSIM, how would we arrange a multiplayer session like this? Just have one person hosting the game and the rest connecting via IP?
QR332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5631 times:
I'm up for it, I think we should find a good MP server and a TS server we could use though if were going to make it fun.
And Tbar, maybe we could have it at an international airport in Europe such as AMS, CDG or something? No offence or anything, I just think a major international hub makes more sense.
Also, what about ATC? Or are we just going to fly without ATC? I have participated in several fly-ins in the past where about 5 of us where flying in formation from CDG to Jersey I think, and when we got to there we all split up and landed one by one. It was a lot of fun and we didn't need any ATC.
If you guys give me a week or so , I can control you guys using ATC Simulator 2(It can connect to FS2004)...I just have to set it up and get it running correctly. (Thing is , we may have to use an American airport since all the airports are american on the program)
Then , all you guys have to do is download teamspeak and we can have some voice transmissions (Even if you don't have a microphone , still nice to hear people talking and receive instructions that way.)
Timjohns From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 681 posts, RR: 6 Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5604 times:
I don't want to steal anyone's thunder, but do you want to make use of the airliners.net VA (www.anetairlines.co.uk) facilities? We could host some information on our site and I think we could provide a server for hosting teamspeak and other multiplayer stuff, although I need to check with the owner
QR332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5523 times:
Quoting SA006 (Reply 12): If you guys give me a week or so , I can control you guys using ATC Simulator 2(It can connect to FS2004)...I just have to set it up and get it running correctly. (Thing is , we may have to use an American airport since all the airports are american on the program)
Then , all you guys have to do is download teamspeak and we can have some voice transmissions (Even if you don't have a microphone , still nice to hear people talking and receive instructions that way.)
I'd rather control than fly to be honest Smile
What do you guys think?
Hmm, sounds good but I have no experience with ATC Simulator 2 - in all my fly-ins for my former VA they used FSNavigator. Also, is one controller enough? Your gonna need at least another person to work on another frequency.
Quoting Timjohns (Reply 13): I don't want to steal anyone's thunder, but do you want to make use of the airliners.net VA (www.anetairlines.co.uk) facilities? We could host some information on our site and I think we could provide a server for hosting teamspeak and other multiplayer stuff, although I need to check with the owner
Sounds great! Do you think you could find out and reply to us in this thread?
Yooyoo From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 6055 posts, RR: 53 Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5499 times:
Sounds like a great idea. If the date and time work, i'll be there. Anything to hear SA's voice and reply to his instructions "say again"
Seriously, umm...if you do a FS2004 multiplayer flight, everybody needs to have the model/type/product aircraft on everybody else computer or you just get a 152 flying on your screen when it should be a 777. Had that happen to me before...i think it was with Zak?
Andreas
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FiddleSticks From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 210 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5483 times:
Quoting Yooyoo (Reply 20): everybody needs to have the model/type/product aircraft on everybody else computer or you just get a 152 flying on your screen when it should be a 777
I know this idea will render moans and groans but as I mentioned before it'd be best to stick to default aircraft only if we were to do something like this.
A. I'm sure people don't want to download X number of airplanes and repaints so they can actually see what the other person is actually flying. Especially if they are on dial up. The titles of the aircraft in the .cfg must match as well.
B. The default aircraft make use of the levels of detail so as distance grows the complexity of the model decreases. Most non-AI aircraft have one level of detail, getting a bunch of these kind of aircraft on screen at one time would likely make FS unusable as the framerates would drop dramatically.
FiddleSticks
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QR332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (8 years 17 hours ago) and read 5454 times:
Quoting FiddleSticks (Reply 22): A. I'm sure people don't want to download X number of airplanes and repaints so they can actually see what the other person is actually flying. Especially if they are on dial up. The titles of the aircraft in the .cfg must match as well.
B. The default aircraft make use of the levels of detail so as distance grows the complexity of the model decreases. Most non-AI aircraft have one level of detail, getting a bunch of these kind of aircraft on screen at one time would likely make FS unusable as the framerates would drop dramatically.
I agree with you 100% on point A, but as for point B, I don't know about the rest of the users here but I cannot stand the default MS models. Maybe we can compromise by using a UI model with a polycount that won't sting that bad?
And what about the airports guys? Are we going to stick to KBIH or does anyone else have any other suggestions? I still think we should hold it at an European airport...
25 YooYoo: Sure, but it will have to be a US location if we are going to have Zak be our "tourguide" Maybe LAS? Andreas
26 Timjohns: A.Net Airlines should be able to provide a server for hosting the multiplayer. Our man's investigating it now
27 Synakus: Excellent! Should I go out and buy a headset for the live atc?
28 SA006: Synakus : Don't do anything yet I still have to read up the ATC Simulator 2 manual and test connecting to FS and get someone to test with me to see if
29 Synakus: Well I think i'm going to get one anyways, and make an account with Vatsim! I have never tried online play with FS9...
30 KBOS: I've never played online either but love the idea. This might be my excuse to finally get a new pc.
31 Timjohns: What's happened to Tbar so that we can finalise it?
33 Mir: I'm up for doing ATC as well. I use FSNavigator and ATC Radarscreen, so I can control anywhere in the world, and I can also share duties with SA006. J
34 FiddleSticks: Here is some poly count info so we can have some idea of what kind of impact on frame rates some aircraft will have vs. others... LOD stands for Level
35 FiddleSticks: This might be a good place to meet for our fly-in. I'm going to be in there so if anyone wants to join me you're welcome to do so. http://bn.turbulent
36 Timjohns: Shall I stick a sign-up form on the webpage so that you ATC guys know what you are expecting? I presume you'll need a/c type, ETA and departure a/p as
37 Tbar220: Hey, sorry I dissapeared, FS2004 hadn't been running to well on my parents computer but I'm back to my own place now. Problem is I will be out of the
38 SA006: Mir , can you give me a link for the download? I'm going to try out the ATC Sim (As soon as I get my Internet up on my new comp) but I think its a bi
39 Mir: Actually, it's not really necessary for me to have that info far in advance. What normally happens is that people give me a flight plan through the F
40 QR332: We should have it around 5:00 PM GMT - It will be morning for the US, evening for Europe, and night for Asia. We should have it on a Saturday or Sunda
41 Timjohns: I'll get onto it then. Yes, I'll let him know it's for 11th June and get details out.
42 Q330: This sounds fun, I'd love to join. The only problem is that 1700 GMT is 0300 local time for me. If it was a bit earlier, more like 1400 GMT, it would
43 Timjohns: http://www.wallsmead.com/anet/index.php?page=flyin - Details are up now
44 SA006: QR332 , I feel the 11th of June may be too near. Still alot to be done. We'll discuss the date after everything is sorted I think. -SA006
45 Mir: Just so you guys know, KBIH has no ILS approaches. Brush up on your VOR skills, because that's the only way you're getting into the airport in IFR con
47 Tbar220: Timjohns, I like the venue, it has some very nice scenery in the area. I thought it would be fun to do some of the more remote areas to see new things
48 Mir: Well, here's the situation about the airport: It's in a pit, strictly speaking. There are mountains all around, and thus normal straight-in approache
49 Timjohns: It depends what people want to fly out there - a 744 sounds out of the question from your description Mir No problem.
50 Tbar220: Mir, Thanks for the description. I'll probably just be flying the Cessna and make a visual approach on any of the runways. Its my aircraft of choice r
51 SA006: Well , I guess depending on all the loads we'll experience , maybe KBIH isn't big enough? And just a note for anyone using voice...Brush up on your Ai
52 Mir: From the approach plates that are on the AirNav site. You should know that all the approaches have sections that require an altitude greater than 12,0
53 Tbar220: Mir, What if I'm just flying VFR? If I fly up the valley from the south, say around 100 nm from the south, can't I just stay about 6000 ft and make a
54 YooYoo: I just landed a 737 on Rwy 16. Very hard I think i may take a smaller aircraft ...or maybe not. Andreas
55 Tbar220: I think I see the problem, I'm used to flying the smaller aircraft on FS, mostly the Cessna. I like having every airport available to me basically...
56 YooYoo: Oh, please don't get me wrong. It's a good airport, very challenging. The mountains on each side and elevation make it a good spot. I have no problem
57 Synakus: I think we all should be making test runs! Especially if you've never flown there before (like me :p) Will we be setting limitations for the aircraft
58 Mir: Sure you can, as long as you maintain appropriate terrain clearances (500' from the nearest bit of ground - though I'd definately advise at least 100
59 Ricci767: Can we interact with ATC through the textbox? I have no microphone.
60 YooYoo: Only 2 registered so far. Maybe it won't be the extravaganza everybody was hoping for? Andreas
61 Tbar220: Well I haven't registered yet because I will be out of town on Jun 1-10. I know its on the 11th, but I don't know what state I'll be in on the 11th or
62 QR332: The problem here is that I have exams from the 6th until the 10th, and then i have a small break from the 11th until the 14th. After that, I won't be
64 Tbar220: TimJohns, can you repost the link for people once more? Thanks
65 Tbar220: Also, you posted three links in the a.net airlines page, can you elaborate on how those are going to be used? Rather, simplify it for us, thanks :-P
66 YooYoo: Register to receive updates et al. Refer to Reply # 43. btw....Andreas Jakob = YooYoo Andreas edit because i can't spell my last name [Edited 200
67 Mir: You most certainly can, but I would request that you download Teamspeak so that at least the ATCs can talk to you, even if you have to type back. The
68 Timjohns: They're all the same thing Just a page to (try) and coordinate what is going on, and a registration form so that we know who is coming.
69 Mir: Fear not. I had to edit something today because I couldn't spell my first name. -Mir
70 Synakus: I am now registered and have begun to get all the programs needed! Where are you flying from? I chose LAX because it is close, but I might consider le
71 ZKSUJ: Man, would love to go but have an exam 3 days later. So much for trying to bring the ANET VA 744 inj for a short stop
72 Timjohns: Bahh....that's loads of time As for the 744, you could exchange it for the TwOtter
73 Synakus: That sounds funny I flew around KBIH last night for the first time. The approach isn't too bad, no matter which runway you choose. I managed to land
74 Timjohns: Those who have registered have their aircraft listed, so I could make that available.
75 YooYoo: Andreas Jakob aka YooYoo...Registered user. Will be flying a LH 735....probably from LAX. Or are we sticking to models that came with FS9?....if so, t
76 Ricci767: I have been doing some practice circuits around KBIH and I can easily land A340's, 747's and DC-10's there so its not that hard. We still doing only d
78 FutureUApilot: What if we don't know exactly how to chat with ATC? Hehe, same as Mir, I can't spell my first name either! -Sam
79 Synakus: Personally I'd prefer this, just because we all know exactly what others are flying. You can change the regs on the aircraft, and i've updated my pan
80 Tbar220: Glad to see so much interest! I'm off folks, I'll be back for ten days. I will be out of the country until then. Take care everybody
82 ZKSUJ: Tim-Due to ANET VA's policy of only two type ratings, I am not allowed to fly the TwOtter legally
83 Timjohns: As long as Wilco doesn't know, you're safe
84 ZKSUJ: Yeah, not very good 'example setting' is it. He's probably reading this thread now
85 Mir: Does the Twotter require a type rating? Aircraft with an MTOW of under 12,500lbs and that aren't jet powered don't require one. -Mir
86 Dan2002: Ill be there in my 757-200W, too bad noone will be able to see it, but oh well. -Dan
87 QR332: I'm guessing this means that everyone will bring along his own aircraft? Also, are we set for 5:00 PM GMT on the 11th? Timjohns, what is the IP for th
88 SA006: I won't be available on that day I don't think -SA006
89 Timjohns: Dan McGhee is running it (Dan2002). I'll leave it to him to let you know what his plan is for that. NP for the help
90 Ricci767: Anybody object to me bringing along a Concorde? Just a little run around thing for hopping around.
91 Synakus: It'll be kinda funny watching a 172 cruise by at mach 2!
92 Ricci767: Synakus: "It'll be kinda funny watching a 172 cruise by at mach 2!" Also be kinda funny to see a Concorde trying to do the final descent on the VOR/DM
93 YooYoo: Great....now no ATC. Whatever will we do? Zak, where are your priorities?? Andreas
95 Dan2002: Yea, there wont be a set IP until the day of the Fly-in, because I have a dynamic IP. Start emailing me with user names and passwords and ill registe
96 TransIsland: Sadly, I'm busy that day, watching the Bahamas play Jamaica in a Rugby WC Qualifier. However, I decided to dedicate this week to virtually flying TIA'
97 Ricci767: So is anything gonna happen once we all landed? I mean are we just going to sit there or do some formation flying (where possible- bit hard with a mix
99 Synakus: We can choose a location to fly to next! I say we fly to somewhere in the rockies, perhaps colorado. Formation flying would be cool, but I think we'd
100 Ricci767: Weyhey! I got reply number 100! Just thought I would share that with all of you. (I'm bored)
101 Synakus: Ok...does anyone have the server information yet? There is another fly-in later that day that I will be attending (Click) and I think it would be grea
102 Mir: It looks like I’ll be the only ATC for this one, so I figure I’ll give a few guidelines in order to ensure a smooth session: When you first enter
103 Synakus: Looks great Mir! Will you be wanting us to have charts?
104 QR332: Mir, we can also explain this to everyone tomorrow so that there are no screw ups. Also, for all those planning to bring B744s and other such aircraft
105 Ricci767: So we're not limited to default aircraft?
106 Timjohns: Currently registered: name aircraft eta dep_ap David N (Mir) ATC 1700 KBIH Andreas Jakob 737NG 17:00 CYYZ Amr (QR332) Airbus A320 17:00 KBIH dan mcghe
107 Mir: If you know how to read them, then yeah it would be appreciated. They're free here: www.myairplane.com Go to the NOAC Approach Plates link, and it's
108 TransIsland: Still sad that I can't join the fun, but I just landed on runway 34 at KBIH after a 179.8nm/1.6 hrs flight from KDAG. The weather when I landed was be
109 Synakus: What's going on? I have no server IP and can't find anything on teamspeak.....me confused!
110 Mir: Me too! I know of a server that may or may not be particularly busy if you don't mind flying with other people, just in case there are problems. -Mir
112 Mir: Where is everyone? Hellooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.................... Echo....echo......echo..... -Mir
113 Mir: Well, in the absence of other news, I guess I'll post the other IP. It's "airflyers.net" (without quotes) for both Teamspeak and FS. We'll be in the U
114 Dan2002: Due to some unforseen family buisness, I most likely will not be able to host and participate in the fly in. Please redirect all inquiries to Tim John
115 QR332: OK then, 5:00PM GMT on airflyers.net... got it. Mir, it doesnt look like its going to be too busy so controlling shouldn't be too big of a problem. Wh
116 Mir: Ummm, I think it was last night. Wasn't it? Or am I totally missing something? -Mir
117 QR332: OH SHIT... talk about STUPID... I completley forgot about it. Hehe... my mistake. Oh well, maybe next time
118 Timjohns: How did it go? I'm really sorry that A.Net let you down with the server. As Dan said, he had a death in the family and so wasn't around to set it up.
119 Mir: Well, it went along pretty well, but only Synakus showed up (and I managed to get Wilco737 to come along as well). Kind of lonely. That can't be blame
120 QR332: My condolonces to Dan... I really wanted to come, but due to my idiocy I went out on the 11th thinking its on the 12th . Maybe we can have another fly
121 Tbar220: Well this was a good first trial run. Sorry I couldn't join, I got back from Israel on the 10th, and then woke up the next day with a high fever and r
122 Synakus: I would love to lead an expedition through some passes in British Columbia. We could fly into YVR in larger jets, and then fly in smaller prop aircraf
123 Mir: My vote is for a flight into Geneva, then hopping through the Alps to Innsbruck or something like that. -Mir
124 TransIsland: I suggest Nassau, Bahamas - followed by a quick helicopter or seaplane ride to Hurrican Hole on Paradise Island for a few drinks
125 Synakus: Innsbruck would be great. I love flying the approach into that airport! I suck at flying the helicopters. I always end up spinning in circles because
127 Mir: Geneva-Sion-Lugano-Innsbruck. 3 difficult mountain approaches, one after the other. -Mir
128 Jutes85: Well whatever you decide, I should be able to join. BC, the alps, whatever, I'm in.
129 QR332: That sounds great! And we could use default a/c and keep everyone happy... Also, we could do it wthout ATC and do some formation flying. I should be
130 Jutes85: K, how's the second or third of July sound? Perhaps with the default a/c.
131 Mir: Might be good to have ATC at some of the airports at least, and enroute. Plus, it gives me something to do..... But if you want to do some formation f
132 Jutes85: Here is a suggestion: How about a little tour into Kai Tak? With Heavies? Should make for an interesting event.
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