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Manual Landing On FS2004  
User currently offlineSubhix From Syria, joined May 2005, 12 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7563 times:

Hello Everybody,

To stay on path, I still have to keep the Autopilot engaged on my B777 prior to landing in the FS2004. I have been doing this for a while, I believe it is time to do that as it is in reality. Any exercise or common practice amongst the professional ones here. Thank you.  confused 


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User currently offlineGofly From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 1727 posts, RR: 38
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7556 times:
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Quoting Subhix (Thread starter):
Any exercise or common practice amongst the professional ones here. Thank you.

I wouldn't call myself professional, but.....  silly 

Quoting Subhix (Thread starter):
I believe it is time to do that as it is in reality.

Even in reality, you will find the autopilot is used is used for landings, pilots are even required to do a certain number of full autolands a month. Nothing to be ashamed of there.

As for hand flying it, as with many things, practice makes perfect. Take some time just to fly and get used handling the aircraft. I'd also recommend trying something smaller at first. (Nothing like throwing yourself in at the deep end with a 777!  silly  Wink

Do you have a joystick? Because this will make the whole thing a lot easier!

Welcome to A.net, I hope you enjoy your time here!  Smile



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User currently offlineSubhix From Syria, joined May 2005, 12 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7529 times:

Hello Gofly,

I feel a lot better now..

Quoting Gofly (Reply 1):
Nothing like throwing yourself in at the deep end with a 777!

It just flies me where I want faster!  Smile

Quoting Gofly (Reply 1):
Do you have a joystick?

I do have a joystick and I reprogrammed its buttons for ladder and elevator trimming for quick re-strightening.

Quoting Gofly (Reply 1):
I wouldn't call myself professional

I value your experience, Thank you..



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User currently offlinePapaNovember From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 473 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7518 times:

When on finals aim your plane (whichever model) to "crash" right on the numbers - as you get closer level out the aircraft and change your focus to the far end of the runway - keeping the horizon level with the end of the runway.

You can also use the lights located on the left side of the runway to help with your descent rate into the airport. All white - you're too high (idle engines), white/red and your on glidepath, all red - you're too low (add power).

I'm still practicing myself and the 737 seems to be the easiest landing so far.


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User currently offlineGofly From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 1727 posts, RR: 38
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7511 times:
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Quoting Subhix (Reply 2):
I value your experience, Thank you..

Thank you....... I'm flattered  blush 

Quoting Subhix (Reply 2):
It just flies me where I want faster!

LOL! Ok  Big grin

Quoting Subhix (Reply 2):
I do have a joystick and I reprogrammed its buttons for ladder and elevator trimming for quick re-strightening.

Great idea, very helpful!

Quoting PapaNovember (Reply 3):

Take note, they are very helpful tips!

Also, you can select different types of approaches on your GPS (Go to "PROC" "Select Approach". This will give you a nice pink line to follow, and hopefully keep you straight!



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User currently offlineITA350 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 7485 times:

Hi, I've always done manual landing on FS. The advice I can give you is keep practicing until you can master it then do it again and again. I also recommend starting off with something smaller than a 777. Try these aircraft they are perfect for learning to land manually: a320 series 737's and if you can 757's.

By the way I have a question for the FS professionals out there. Is it possible to do an autoland in fs. If it is how do you do it ?


User currently offlineGofly From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 1727 posts, RR: 38
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 7473 times:
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Quoting ITA350 (Reply 5):
By the way I have a question for the FS professionals out there. Is it possible to do an autoland in fs. If it is how do you do it ?

Yep, there sure is!

When on your approach, and you know what runway you will be landing on, bring up the map, and click on your destination. From that get your runways localizer frequency. (It will be near the bottom of the list)

When you have this, put it into your NAV1 radio, and activate it. It should now bleep to signal that it has intercepted the localizer. With your autopilot engaged, arm the "APP" (approach) switch. The aircraft should now land itself. Although if it works properly, it will control the altitude, I would recommend controlling the altitude manually, as autopilot landings tend to be very hard.

Sorry if that wasn't very clear, if you have any questions, just ask!  Smile



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21625 posts, RR: 55
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 7468 times:

Quoting Gofly (Reply 1):
Even in reality, you will find the autopilot is used is used for landings, pilots are even required to do a certain number of full autolands a month. Nothing to be ashamed of there.

However, the default FS autopilot is an approach-only system, which means it will fly you right into the runway instead of flaring for a smooth landing. It can be used to fly the ILS, but not to land.

Here are some general tips:

-When landing, adjust your airspeed with your pitch (nose up or nose down), and adjust your altitude or rate of descent with the throttle. Going down too fast? The instinctive thing is to pitch up, but this only makes you slow down, which leads to more lift lost, and you'll end up going down faster than you originally were. Instead, keep the same pitch attitude, and add some power. Your speed will try to increase. Pitch the nose up to maintain it, and you'll find your rate of descent will decrease. Do this all the way to the runway. Once you're about 50 feet over the runway (for jets, smaller planes should do it at about 20 feet), bring the throttle to idle and maintain the same pitch attitude. Your speed will bleed off, and the wing will settle into ground effect for a smooth touchdown. Of course, describing it is much easier than doing it. You'll want to practice a few times so that you can see how much you need to pull back (too little and your nose wheel will touch down first, too much and you'll have a tailstrike). Which leads to the second point:

-When you practice, do it in a piston engine plane (the Beech Baron is a good choice). The reason for this is that jets have a lag between the time you make changes to the power setting and that time that the new power setting is reached due to the turbines spooling up and spooling down. Pistons are pretty much instantaneous. Once you have the concept down, you can move up to bigger planes.

-Don't fly approaches too fast. In the 777, you should be at about 150kts on final, or if you are really heavy, as much as 170kts. Keep the airplane on the glideslope with very small adjustments to the throttle - add power if you're low, reduce it if you're high. Don't change your pitch.

-Make sure that you are fully configured by the time you are 5 miles out at the latest. Flaps out, gear down, etc.

It isn't difficult in itself, but it does take a fair amount of practice to get right. Best of luck!  bigthumbsup 

-Mir



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User currently offlineGofly From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 1727 posts, RR: 38
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 7460 times:
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Quoting Mir (Reply 7):
However, the default FS autopilot is an approach-only system, which means it will fly you right into the runway instead of flaring for a smooth landing. It can be used to fly the ILS, but not to land.

Ah, that would explain when I tried to autoland it, it just fell onto the runway!  Wink

Thanks Mir



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User currently offlineSynakus From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 7446 times:

Quoting Gofly (Reply 8):
Ah, that would explain when I tried to autoland it, it just fell onto the runway!

LOL! Ouch!

I find if i'm flying in bad weather I use the ILS approach function until I have the runway in sight. I then switch off autopilot (including auto throttles), and hopefully by this time the autopilot has the aircraft on a smooth and level descent down the glideslope. So all I have to do is flare and make any corrections for crosswinds, etc....

It works for me  Smile

That's a great reply from Mir though, pay attention to that one!


User currently offlineGofly From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 1727 posts, RR: 38
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 7444 times:
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Quoting Synakus (Reply 9):
LOL! Ouch!

Indeed, never tried since  Wink



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User currently offlineJamesbuk From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 3968 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 7387 times:

I would not call myself a pro but more of an intermediate at manual landings as I find them to easy now but my way to learn was,
you get a little 172 and go to a little airport ( I used luton airport as its small and easy)
you line up on either side of the runway it doesn't matter which one, full power and take off when you reach the middle marker you turn 180' and head until your 6 miles roughly past the green glide slope line and do a 180' turn again and fly through the green gps line and head for the runway
aim at the runway numbers and when reaching close go to engine idle full flaps and then give yourself a nice 7' flare and your down you stop turn the plane around and take off again and do it slowly progressing up to the 747 ( which in my opinion is easier to land than a 172  Smile )



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User currently offlineFlyMIA From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7174 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 7353 times:

Just practice pratice and practice. My first landings where in the 737-400 on a 4,00ft runway in FS02 when I was 10 years old. Now that was good practice.

Line up with the runway save the flight and than fly the approach, land and reload the flight where you saved it.
In real life the a pilot most of the time will turn the autopilot off once he has a good visual of the runway and maybe around 2,000.
Also do some turns and stuff in cruise get a feel to the airplane.



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User currently offlineMighluss From Spain, joined Oct 2001, 948 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 7327 times:

Yesterday I tried the AUTOLAND feature in the David Maltby's Trident, and it worked wonderfully, in approach and then flaring for a perfect landing.

Then even tried it with a 36kts crosswind (auch!!) and landed on one side of the rwy. but still on it, correcting with the rudder on the flare, to put it straight on the rwy. (I'm Cat III certified!!   )

The app. mode is not the same as Autoland. it follows the ILS signal until short finals, when you have to disconnect Auto-pilot and Auto-throttle, and flare it manually.

[Edited 2005-05-31 10:10:14]


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User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7106 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 7308 times:

The 737 and the 320 are perfect for practising. What I suggest if you are in the 777 is fly a route and positionj yourself prior to your final turn for landing. Then save it and use that to practise your landing technique. Save a few differnt approaches at different airports for different conditions and scenery, elevation etc...

Do NOT use the FS learjet to practise landing, too responsive and easy to handle in my opinion.


User currently offlineKCMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 537 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7214 times:

Remember that is just a simulator too, so just keep doing repitions. If you crash...so what. Your not pooring thousands of dollars into training or flying for a big airline


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