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User currently offlineSanthosh From India, joined Sep 2001, 545 posts, RR: 1
Posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 15439 times:

Is the 2002 version of PSS A320 compatible with FS9? If so how can we add the new AIRAC in it? Also any idea if the aircrafts will fly smoothly if we use FS Nav along with it. I mean will it automatically change altitude, speed Heading, Frequencies etc. as specified on the FS Nav Flight Planed Route?

Thanx
George


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User currently offlineMsp753nwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 233 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 15397 times:
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Hi George, You can get AIRACs from here. Along with SID/STARs. And they say its FS9 compatible.


Matt



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21571 posts, RR: 55
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 15388 times:

If you're going to fly with the FSNav autopilot, save yourself the money and get a freeware model and panel.

The point of the PSS is to fly it like the pros do - put your route in the FMC and fly it with the autopilot (I generate my flight plans in FSNav, but I don't use FSNav to fly them). There's some stuff you have to learn, but it is quite rewarding when you get it right. I'll be happy to help you out a bit if you want, just drop me an email in my profile.

-Mir



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User currently offlineSanthosh From India, joined Sep 2001, 545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 15375 times:

MIR –Yep you are right. Its of no use if I fly with FSNav when still having the PSS. But buddy I have tried setting the flight plan and all. Still I can’t figure out what all sorts of automation you need to put in to make the aircraft fly the precise route in the FMS.

Well just to give you an idea and to make sure I am doing the right thing. Before the flight I enter the Departure and Destination Airports at the INIT page in the FMC then Alternate and FLt Number at the same page. Then I go to the F-Plane page and from the departure Aprt would select the appropriate Runway and SID .Then I select the Arrival STAR for the expected runway at destination. Then enter each way points in the between the SID and STAR those are enroute. Usually I do this by typing in the Intersection or vor and then clicking on the P-Flan Discontinue button, So that the way point is inserted in between .Also I enter the SPD/Altitude corresponding to the way point in the right side of the FMC. After all these go to the PERF page and enter the T/O characteristics like V1,Vr,V2 speeds flaps config, Winds, Temps, QNH Transition level. Etc. This is all what I do normally. Just tell me if what I am doing is Wright or not. Also if this is correct after take off which all button should I push in the A/P panel for the A/c to follow the flight planned route. AP1, NAV then? Well it would be a million times better than reading a Manuel if you could just explain to me in the proper method. That must give me an idea. If you can help out, Thanx very much

Regards
George



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User currently offlineMilan320 From Canada, joined Jan 2005, 869 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 15337 times:

Quoting Santhosh (Reply 3):
Also if this is correct after take off which all button should I push in the A/P panel for the A/c to follow the flight planned route. AP1, NAV then? Well it would be a million times better than reading a Manuel if you could just explain to me in the proper method. That must give me an idea. If you can help out, Thanx very much

After take-off, your PFD should read NAV, rather than HDG. You can toggle between the two by pulling/pushing on HDG/NAV knob on the FMC (right click, left-click). If you don't do anything, it should display NAV like I said above, then click AP and the plane should follow the route you have selected.

Cheers!
/Milan320



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User currently offlineSanthosh From India, joined Sep 2001, 545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks ago) and read 15325 times:

While doing the above. I suppose it gives only lateral guidance. Does it also control the altitude of the aircraft as specified in the FMC route?

Regards
George



Happy Landing
User currently offlineSanthosh From India, joined Sep 2001, 545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 15326 times:

I tried doing as you said but it seems like I still have some problem. Well Flight plan was ok. Just to give you a brief description. I had set Flex to 42 before departure. Then during takeoff roll I did advance the thrust to FLX/MCT Gate. But actually the A/c didn’t accelerate by itself so I applied full thrust in my joystick thrust lever. At the same time the PFD was reading Flex 32 ||SRS|| RWY. After departure the A/c continued to accelerate beyond V2+10 even after setting the V1 Vr V2 speed in PREF page. OK no after departure and accelerating beyond 1500 fts AGL I had set te Thrust to CL I switched AP1 and it was reading in PFD that THR CLB||CLB||NAV. but still the a/c didn’t turn when it reached the first Waypoint nether climbed . Even after setting the AP1 I had to fly it manually. Any idea why this kind of things happen?

Thankfully,
George



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User currently offlineRicci767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 151 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 15329 times:

PSS have a patch on their site to get rid of the mouse flickering that occurs when you install it in FS2004.

User currently offlineSanthosh From India, joined Sep 2001, 545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 15308 times:

Quoting Ricci767 (Reply 7):
PSS have a patch on their site to get rid of the mouse flickering that occurs when you install it in FS2004.

Ok I will download it from the PSS Website. Hopefully that would solve my problem.

Regards
George



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User currently offlineSanthosh From India, joined Sep 2001, 545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 15296 times:

One more thing I wanted to ask was. During takeoff after setting flex when you move the thrust lever to FLX/MCT does the aircraft automatically accelerate or do we have to increase thrust by moving the joystick or F3 key thrust lever further to accelerate?

Regards
George



Happy Landing
User currently offlineMilan320 From Canada, joined Jan 2005, 869 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 15293 times:

Quoting Santhosh (Reply 5):
While doing the above. I suppose it gives only lateral guidance. Does it also control the altitude of the aircraft as specified in the FMC route?

Nope, check your MCDU and look at your PFD display. A little red circle should appear (unless you have ILS button pressed) on your altitude part of the PDF. That cirlce gives you a general idea of where you should be in terms of the altitude according to what's displayed in the MCDU. It will only display +/- 500 feet so if you're more than 500 feet off the altitude suggested, then it will stay either at the bottom (you're 500+ feet too high) or top (-500 feet too low). You can try and stay within the correct altitude during ascend and descend by varying your V/S speed.

Quoting Santhosh (Reply 3):
Well just to give you an idea and to make sure I am doing the right thing. Before the flight I enter the Departure and Destination Airports at the INIT page in the FMC then Alternate

Alternate flight plan??? I though PSS's Airbus doesn't allow for an alternate flight plan. I seem to recall trying to put one in and I get NOT ALLOWED in the MCDU. If you can actually file one, how did you do it???

/Milan320



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User currently offlineMilan320 From Canada, joined Jan 2005, 869 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 15295 times:

Quoting Santhosh (Reply 6):
tried doing as you said but it seems like I still have some problem. Well Flight plan was ok. Just to give you a brief description. I had set Flex to 42 before departure. Then during takeoff roll I did advance the thrust to FLX/MCT Gate. But actually the A/c didn’t accelerate by itself so I applied full thrust in my joystick thrust lever. At the same time the PFD was reading Flex 32 ||SRS|| RWY. After departure the A/c continued to accelerate beyond V2+10 even after setting the V1 Vr V2 speed in PREF page. OK no after departure and accelerating beyond 1500 fts AGL I had set te Thrust to CL I switched AP1 and it was reading in PFD that THR CLB||CLB||NAV. but still the a/c didn’t turn when it reached the first Waypoint nether climbed . Even after setting the AP1 I had to fly it manually. Any idea why this kind of things happen?

That's odd. I usually use the iFDG planes with the PSS panels, so to be honest I have not tried it at all with the original PSS Airbus models, since I don't like them. The iFDG models (www.ifdg.net) come with the air.cfg file.
I just copy the panel and sound files from the PSS plane folders and over-write the ones in the iFDG. You won't get the 3D cockpit, but who cares, the planes are better and have better handling characteristics in my opinion.

Nevertheless, how I described it, works for me using STARS/SIDS, so no problems there. I usually hand-fly it until the first way-point but that's just for something to do ... piloting the 'bus seems to be very boring  Smile otherwise.
However, I did try with AP after about 4000 feet and it worked.


As for the throttle, go to the panel config utility and select the keys you'd like. I use page up for next detent/gate and page down for previous detent/gate

/Milan320



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21571 posts, RR: 55
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 15293 times:

Here's my general proceedure for setting up the MCDU:

Step 1: INIT page - enter all the relevant information on the first INIT page (origin/destination, flight number, alternate). Leave something blank if you don't know what should go there.

Step 2: F-PLN page - enter your route, with the departure runway selected (get it from the ATIS), as well as the SID if applicable (if there is no SID, you still have to select NO SID). You don't have to pick a STAR just yet, but you can. After you're done, go back and delete any discontinuities that may have been put in (often there's one after the SID and before the STAR)

Step 3: Get your proper weight and fuel info from the Fuel and Payload section in the Aircraft menu. Select the payload you want as well as the fuel load, then write down the Zero Fuel Weight and Fuel Quantity. If you already did this prior to starting the sim, you can skip this step.

Step 4: INIT page - on the second init page (press the NEXT PAGE key to get to it), enter your ZFW and Fuel load in the proper slots.

Step 5: PERF page - select your takeoff data (V1, VR, V2, flex setting, etc.)

Step 6: PROG page - take a look at the optimum altitude, and then select a cruise altitude based on that (as close as possible while allowing for direction of flight requirements). Enter the cruise altitude on the same page

Step 7: RAD NAV page - tune the VORs and NDBs that you'll need for the SID (if the plane isn't set to fly it itself). You might need to look at the chart for the SID, which is usually available online. Check the Charts link at www.navdata.at for where to download.

Step 8: DATA page - save the route. This isn't required, but I like to do it so that if I ever fly the same route again, I can just load it in rather than re-enter all the waypoints.

That's it - you're done. Start the engines and taxi out. When you're lined up on the runway, advance the throttles a bit to check the engines, and then enter FLEX/MCT mode. The engines should spool up to takeoff power. Rotate at the appropriate speed, and pitch up to maintain the speed indicated by the magenta bug on the airspeed tape. After 500 feet AGL, you can turn on the autopilot whenever you're ready. Just make sure that you know what it's going to do before you turn it on.

That works for me.

-Mir



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User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9524 posts, RR: 42
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 15277 times:

Quoting Santhosh (Reply 6):
After departure the A/c continued to accelerate beyond V2+10

Looks like this is the critical bit which you may have omitted:

Quoting Mir (Reply 12):
Rotate at the appropriate speed, and pitch up to maintain the speed indicated by the magenta bug on the airspeed tape

However, isn't it the horizontal, magenta pitch bar on the FD that you follow by adjusting your pitch? I don't have the A-320 but I have the PSS A-330/340.

Quoting Santhosh (Reply 6):
but still the a/c didn’t turn when it reached the first Waypoint

I haven't flown the Airbus for a while but don't you have to push the Heading Selector to engage VNAV? If I'm right, you engage Heading mode (autopilot off) before take-off using the runway heading and after take-off engaging AP1 will put the autopilot into Heading mode, i.e.the heading you chose for departure. You then push the Heading selector when you want to engage VNAV.


User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9524 posts, RR: 42
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 15274 times:

Quoting Santhosh (Reply 5):
Does it also control the altitude of the aircraft as specified in the FMC route?

Here's another opportunity to make a fool of myself but here goes... You have to set any altitudes you use with the Altitude selector. If you're using ATC, set each altitude they give you then "pull" the selector knob for Open Climb (to get there quickly) or push the knob to let the flight computers decide what rate of climb (or descent) to use.

Now, I'm really guessing here, you tell the FMC what your cruise altitude is so that it can work out fuel burn, what restrictions there are, etc., but you actually change altitude with the Altitude Selector knob because in real life you'd rarely be sent straight to your cruise altitude by ATC. You'd be "stepped" up via several altitudes due to other traffic. Same thing for descents. In summary, your lateral path (assuming nothing unusual) is the same as the flight plan you file with ATC beforehand while your vertical path is decided by ATC as required at the time - it's unpredictable.


User currently offlineSanthosh From India, joined Sep 2001, 545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 15264 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 12):
Here's my general proceedure for setting up the MCDU

Mir- Did everything the way you suggested and the aircraft flew perfectly in the first time. Then again I restarted FS and tried preparing the way you said but that time even when I setted the FLX/MCT for take off the A/c wont accelerate it self. Still don’t have a clear idea what exactly is wrong. So its works some times and some time it doesn’t. Donno why.

Quoting David L (Reply 14):
set each altitude they give you then "pull" the selector knob for Open Climb (to get there quickly) or push the knob to let the flight computers decide what rate of climb (or descent) to use.

David - I tried out as you said and it did help me out but only problem is that this tip also works only when the A/THR and AP works.And that excatly is where I have problems.

Quoting Santhosh (Reply 8):
Alternate flight plan??? I though PSS's Airbus doesn't allow for an alternate flight plan. I seem to recall trying to put one in and I get NOT ALLOWED in the MCDU. If you can actually file one, how did you do it???

Milan320- By the way you can set an alternate airport in the area below the FROM/TO in the INIT page. It reads (ALTN). By that way you can keep an alternate flight plane incase of diversion I think.

Regards
George



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User currently offlineSanthosh From India, joined Sep 2001, 545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 15262 times:

Well now I understand one thing. Every time I have set the F-Plan and other related things correctly but the entire problem starts when I start the take off. When I move the thrust lever to FLX/MCT some times the aircraft accelerates and sometimes it stays still (no response). But when ever the aircraft accelerated it flew smoothly. And all system worked properly. AP, NAV, A/THR etc etc... Still have no idea why this is caused. To be honest I haven’t slept for last three nights trying to figure out what exactly is causing the problem. Also studied the Manuel well trying to understand each and every symbols and terminologies. What’s the point in knowing all the working principles if the stuff don’t work actually. Now I’m Fed up with it.

One more tip that I can give you is that the whenever I try to open the Airbus panel config and error message comes up showing “Cannot create filePSSAirbus A3XXconfig.pnl” Also while trying to open the flight planner another message comes up telling “Unable to open planner.dat” At the same time load edit Airbus pro is working fine. Don’t know if these problems have some relation with the Autopilot and A/THR problem that I have while T/o and flight.

It seems like I have to switch back to the POSKY A330 with normal panels to continue flying even though they aren’t realistic  Sad

Anyway my sincere thanx to all for trying to help me out.

Thankfully
George



Happy Landing
User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21571 posts, RR: 55
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 15260 times:

Quoting David L (Reply 13):
However, isn't it the horizontal, magenta pitch bar on the FD that you follow by adjusting your pitch? I don't have the A-320 but I have the PSS A-330/340.

If you mean the Flight Director (which I thought was green), you can do that as well, it will show you how much to pitch up to get to the speed bug. However, I find it's easier to use the trend vector on the airspeed tape to tell me how much to pitch up. It's a personal preference.

Quoting Santhosh (Reply 16):
It seems like I have to switch back to the POSKY A330 with normal panels to continue flying even though they aren’t realistic

Don't give up! Try reading the tutorial flight and following along - it is quite helpful. If you're really stuck, contact me and I'll go through the whole process with you step by step.

-Mir



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User currently offlineSanthosh From India, joined Sep 2001, 545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 15253 times:

I was thinking if another thing. One trend which I have noticed in the problem is that if by any chance things works at the point of departure, there after even if try to restart that particular flight things seems to continue working normally. So I was thinking of saving the flight the next time when it works. Hopefully I can start it from the position I left next time. It’s just a matter of moving the aircraft to another airport for commencing another new flight. Will try experimenting on that. And Mir- It seems like you have explained almost everything about flight planning and FMC in the PSS. If I have any further doubt would definitely contact you. 500


Regards
George



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User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9524 posts, RR: 42
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 15246 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 17):
If you mean the Flight Director (which I thought was green),

Now you mention it, yes! I've been flying the PMDG 737 exclusively for a few months and it's magenta on that.

I guess I just find it simpler to adjust my pitch by chasing a pitch target. The point is to get the right pitch for the airspeed so I guess it doesn't matter how you do it


User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9524 posts, RR: 42
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 15240 times:

Quoting Santhosh (Reply 16):
When I move the thrust lever to FLX/MCT some times the aircraft accelerates and sometimes it stays still (no response).

Could you just confirm what method you're using to adjust the throttle levers?

I would recommend using key presses, as Milan320 suggested. It may not seem realistic but you don't "feel" the detents on the throttle as you would in a real Airbus. Now, if you're using key presses, get the throttle quadrant into view and make sure the levers are moving when you press the appropriate keys.

  • If they don't move then I would suggest that the problem lies with the key assignments. For some reason, the full stop key occasionally stops working the brakes for me on various aircraft.
  • If they do move to the correct detent, then I'm stumped!


User currently offlineMilan320 From Canada, joined Jan 2005, 869 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 15240 times:

Quoting Santhosh (Reply 15):
Milan320- By the way you can set an alternate airport in the area below the FROM/TO in the INIT page. It reads (ALTN). By that way you can keep an alternate flight plane incase of diversion I think.

Thanks, I'll try it again, but I could swear I did that before when I started flying the PSS Bus, but I had NOT ALLOWED. I thought that was odd obviously, so I never tried it again. However, I'll try it yet again.
/Milan320



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User currently offlineSanthosh From India, joined Sep 2001, 545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 15235 times:

Quoting David L (Reply 20):
If they do move to the correct detent, then I'm stumped!

Yea David it does move. That is why I am stumped too. When I press the +/- keys in the Num Pad the levers move from dent to dent. REV/IDEL/CL/FLX-MCT/TOGA. The I tried disabling the joystick and using the keys alone.Still it wouldn’t work. Actually when I move the Lever for take off to the FLX/MCT dent the A/THR Green light even comes up. Then the rest all depends on my luck. If it continues to accelerate as I move it to the FLX/MCT mode then everything works ok if not the same sad story again(No AP1 or AP=2 hold on NAV or HDG, No AP hold on A/THR-SPEED except ALT on Manuel V/s setting). That’s why I told I tried everything I could so far.


BTW David I do get an FSUIPC Error msg each time I start with the Airbus PSS aircrafts. It says "One or more program you are using is not accredited for access to a un registered copy of FSUIPC. Please see the FSUIPC.log for details" I use the FSUIPC ver 3.47 but it’s an unregistered copy. Don’t know if this has any relation with the problems I face while flying the PSS.

To be honest I hate flying these unrealistic aircrafts, that’s the main reason why I turned into PSS because it’s realistic. Now after seeing all the great and realistic features on the PSS my mind does want to go back to the old POSKY A330/340’s which I used to fly with the normal panels. That is why I keep on trying to solve the problems but it seems that this thing would drive me crazy in a short while Smile

Regards
George  banghead 



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User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9524 posts, RR: 42
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 15226 times:

Quoting Santhosh (Reply 22):
I use the FSUIPC ver 3.47 but it’s an unregistered copy

My copy of FSUIPC isn't registered and it does all the things I need it to do. However, my version is 3.411 (November 2004) which is, I assume, more recent so perhaps you should get hold of that. If not, at least try uninstalling then re-insatlling the version you've got.

I've heard a lot about the POSKY stuff but I've never tried it. I agree about unrealistic aircraft - after flying the PMDG 737, the default one is awful!

Incidentally, I got the A-330 out and took it for a spin. Everything worked fine... except that the gear wouldn't retract. The lever moves but the 3 greens stay on and the gear doesn't budge!


User currently offlineSanthosh From India, joined Sep 2001, 545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 15226 times:

Quoting David L (Reply 23):
Incidentally, I got the A-330 out and took it for a spin. Everything worked fine... except that the gear wouldn't retract. The lever moves but the 3 greens stay on and the gear doesn't budge!

Ooh Dear I never knew that the 330's had such a problem. Does this happen often or occasionally?

Quoting David L (Reply 23):
My copy of FSUIPC isn't registered and it does all the things I need it to do. However, my version is 3.411 (November 2004) which is, I assume, more recent so perhaps you should get hold of that. If not, at least try uninstalling then re-insatlling the version you've got.

In that case mine is more recent I think because the one I am using is ver 3.470. Anyway will try reinstalling it or download another.

Regards
George



Happy Landing
25 David L : Never happened before. I've just re-installed FS2004 and the A-330/340 but I don't remember having to do much tweaking before. OK, I took a chance! E
26 Santhosh : ' Reinstalling the whole things is a hectic process.Isn’t it? But wish your problems will be over with that. Regards George
27 Post contains images David L : But I think I'm going to have to re-install Windows and everything else from scratch. Two years' worth of clutter have taken their toll - quite a few
28 Santhosh : Reinstalling Windows would even take a longer period and is more hectic than reinstalling FS or PSS but once its reinstalled then the systems becomes
29 David L : The only other thing I can think of is the Take-off Configuration. Does the A-320 have a T.O Config test button for the lower display? On the A-330 yo
30 Santhosh : Affirmative David the 320 does have a TO Config Button. In which we have Arm Spoilers Auto Brakes Max Sign ON Flaps But that’s not the case. I alway
31 Post contains images David L : Oh yeah? Well, I just downloaded version 3.48.
32 Post contains images Santhosh : Thats nice. Might give you better results. Regards George
33 David L : One more thought - PSS recommend starting in a default aircraft and only selecting the Airbus after your starting location appears, rather than select
34 Mir : I've always gone straight to the Airbus, and haven't had any problems with it. -Mir
35 Santhosh : Ooh I c.Will definitly try that also. Regards George
36 David L : So have I but you never know!
37 Milan320 : Actually, about a month or two ago, I switched computers, re-installed FS9 and installed PSS from their website. No FSUIPC problmes this time around.
38 David L : I installed it as soon as it was available. I've had one or two problems but I've no reason to believe the update is responsible, though some have re
39 David L : Now that sounds familiar but I've no recollection of how I fixed it. Definitely worth a go.
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