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What's Between Microsoft And Boeing?  
User currently offlineKeta From Germany, joined Mar 2005, 448 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4624 times:

As you know, in all Microsoft Flight Simulator versions, only Boeing airliners where available as default aircraft, i.e. no Airbus planes. OK, maybe they didn't want to model, for whatever reason, an Airbus (or Tupolev or whatever) plane. But I just checked the FS2004 website and the main article is about the 787 cockpit! It's something it definitely has nothing to see with simulation. If you click the link, it directs you to the 787 homepage ( http://www.newairplane.com/default.html ). Why is this? Do they have any kind of agreement, or is it just that the FS team likes Boeing?

http://www.microsoft.com/games/flightsimulator/


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User currently offlineJasond From Australia, joined Jul 2009, 23 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4612 times:

This question has been asked in flight sim forums since about FS98. FSFW5 and below we could expect a limited number of planes so you would expect a singular boeing and little else, but nowadays I don't have an answer. For what its worth I now run FS2004 and a fleet of IFDG / PSS Airbuses, I am happy with that and it makes its own statement I think.

User currently offlineFlyingKangaroo From Australia, joined Apr 2004, 532 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4609 times:

This probably has nothing to do with it, but..

Seattle: Boeing
Seattle: Microsoft

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User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2484 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4606 times:

Maybe because both companies are american and its a question of pride I guess..

User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4602 times:

It's called BUSINESS.
Boeing and Microsoft have a contract in which Boeing provides technical expertise and Microsoft includes their models in their flightsim product.

Boeing gets exposure, Microsoft gets technical data they'd not otherwise have access to (at least not at a price making it worthwhile to include).

Remember the navigation data in MSFS is provided by Jepessen, a Boeing subsidiary, for example.



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User currently offlineNighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 5186 posts, RR: 33
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4573 times:

Quoting Jasond (Reply 1):
This question has been asked in flight sim forums since about FS98. FSFW5 and below we could expect a limited number of planes so you would expect a singular boeing and little else, but nowadays I don't have an answer. For what its worth I now run FS2004 and a fleet of IFDG / PSS Airbuses, I am happy with that and it makes its own statement I think.

the first boeing aircraft did not appear in flight sim until either FS95 or FS98. Version 5 and previous only featured a cessna and a learjet IIRC.



That'll teach you
User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21880 posts, RR: 55
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4544 times:

Quoting Keta (Thread starter):
What's Between Microsoft And Boeing?

About 20 miles as the crow flies. That's got to count for something.

I've also heard that Airbus is less than forthcoming with technical data.

-Mir



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User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4508 times:

Was actually planning to go and look at Microsoft campus (or at least get as near as possible) when I was in Seattle last year.
Didn't get around to it, but did visit Boeing field, saw some pretty interesting stuff there  Smile



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User currently offlineJasond From Australia, joined Jul 2009, 23 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 4434 times:

Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 5):
the first boeing aircraft did not appear in flight sim until either FS95 or FS98. Version 5 and previous only featured a cessna and a learjet IIRC.

You are right of course, they did. I guess the point I was making was that if MS were going to throw in one aircraft into the FS package it is more likely to be a Boeing rather than an Airbus. Which is fine so long as the rest of us still have a choice. I fly the A330 for example but then I like the BBJ also.


User currently offlineAirbus340 From Spain, joined Dec 2000, 130 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4362 times:

Apart from data, I a shure there is money in the middle... Microsoft said their "Boeing planes" in the sim were aprooved by Boeing... I think all is said there. If you look at the Ariane B737 series, I would say those are the best. Even the freeware Kittyhawk B 737 overtakes the Microsoft ones a lot.

User currently offlineKeta From Germany, joined Mar 2005, 448 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4243 times:

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 3):
Boeing and Microsoft have a contract in which Boeing provides technical expertise and Microsoft includes their models in their flightsim product.

Boeing gets exposure, Microsoft gets technical data they'd not otherwise have access to (at least not at a price making it worthwhile to include).

Remember the navigation data in MSFS is provided by Jepessen, a Boeing subsidiary, for example.

OK then there is something.



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User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4234 times:

yes, there is something. But no evil conspiracies for world domination (at least not there, I'd have long since crushed them).


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User currently offlineAndrewUber From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2528 posts, RR: 40
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4178 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 6):
About 20 miles as the crow flies. That's got to count for something.



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User currently offlineKeta From Germany, joined Mar 2005, 448 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4111 times:

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 11):
yes, there is something. But no evil conspiracies for world domination (at least not there, I'd have long since crushed them).

Err... yes I know. I never wanted to say that they were cooperating for something bad or whatever you understood. I just was looking for some kind of agreement, which I see they have, for example they use Jeppesen, and maybe they get a good deal by offering Boeing planes, or something like that. That's all I wanted, I for sure wasn't looking for conspiracies.



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User currently offlineMandargb From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3964 times:

Actually to be more accurate, they have only "Jets" that are boeing.
They have bunch of other stuff like DC3, md83, cessana, Bell helicopters,
Couple of lockheeds. etc.

So if you are a simmer who happens to be Cessana lover say , you would probably have ignotred the Ugly painted 737, 777, 747 and MD83s alike that fly around as AI traffic in MSFS. And you would be bothering "is there something between Cessana and MS" ?

but in my openion the point is very valid that they have "more" B and A is completely absent. I guess it is primarily for convinience of building models being in the same country and less of legal and Intellectual property issues.


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