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New Model Project: 1/144 A340-600 South African!  
User currently offlineSWISSER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 17104 times:

For the Moderators and readers,
I have changed the project of the EK 1/144 A340-500 into a South African A340-600, therefore I started this new thread so it gives the correct info for you!
You can close the A340-500 EK topic.

This thread is for the model kit enthousiast to create out of 2 (or maybe 3) A333 kits an A340-600 as real as it gets!

read the old post here:
A340-500 1/144 Emirates (by SWISSER Jan 27 2006 in Aviation Hobby)

this is where we left of,


Thorben From Denmark, joined Sep 2005, 825 posts, RR: 1
Reply 48, posted Mon Feb 20 2006 12:58:35 UTC+1 and read 10 times:


Quoting SWISSER (Reply 47):


Karel, how are you going to put the SAA A342 tail on the A346 tail?? I thought about this project as well, but it was the tail that made me go for an A343 instead.



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SWISSER From Belgium, joined Feb 2005, 1145 posts, RR: 8
Reply 49, posted Mon Feb 20 2006 17:15:00 UTC+1 and read 1 times:


Quoting Thorben (Reply 48):
Karel, how are you going to put the SAA A342 tail on the A346 tail?? I thought about this project as well, but it was the tail that made me go for an A343 instead.

I think I' am going to paint the flat colors myself on both A342 and A346 and drop the detail decals on them, will give much better result!
after that massive work, it will mean nothing and it's not that hard, I have already done such a thing for a friend on a helicopter in South Africa!

ok, some tail shots from our beloved site!
The A340-600:

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Photo © Zak Economides


The A340-200:

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Photo © Rolf Wallner



[Edited 2006-02-20 17:29:22]

[Edited 2006-02-20 17:30:01]

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User currently offlineSWISSER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 17114 times:

I will start now with the extension of the fuselage!
it's really looooong, even in model!
I know South Africans call it "the Dachshund", a teckel dog!

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Photo © Vivian A Watts



[Edited 2006-02-20 17:34:25]

User currently offlineSWISSER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 17095 times:

Ok,
here is a shot of the quick 3M tape fit!
If you find faults in the lenght, please share it!
I' am quite sure this is the exact lenght, but still...

Don't look at the windows, they are wrong after the middle of the wing.
Also note that on the aft section, i have placed a plug of 4 frames, this is the location where the last door will be placed.
This came from some leftovers of previous conversions,
in fact this is already a part we need from a 3rth kit, this was needed because the aft section is stretched out on it's maximum with the A333 kits...

[Edited 2006-02-20 19:22:59]

User currently offlineSWISSER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 17076 times:

Well everything worked out nicely!

the fuselage is assembled, the modified wings are installed and the tail is set in place!
It starts to look like an A340-600 now!

To give an impression of the lenght, I have included a real size picture of the current state of the model!
It looks very rough now, but you can recognise the A346 in it!
I can't wait to paint the SAA tail on it!  Wink
this picture is also a good reference for you guys!


User currently offlineILOVEA340 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 2100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 17068 times:

Man Karel you jsut can't make up your mind can you  Wink

(My advice is go with the -600 but lets see a Swissair bird!)


User currently offlineSWISSER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 17063 times:

Quoting ILOVEA340 (Reply 4):
Man Karel you jsut can't make up your mind can you

Yes, in fact I'am a real mindshifter!

Quoting ILOVEA340 (Reply 4):
(My advice is go with the -600 but lets see a Swissair bird!)

No prob!  Wink

It's not an A340, but this SR bird is an icon for Swiss aviation!
Still a lot of work on this MD-11, but it's a Swiss(air) masterpiece in the making!


User currently offlineAleksandar From Serbia, joined Jul 2000, 3236 posts, RR: 32
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 17036 times:

It is really interesting switch. Did you finish the EK plane and started a new one or you just changed your mind and building the same one you already mentioned?

Quoting SWISSER (Reply 5):
but it's a Swiss(air) masterpiece in the making!

I'm currently building Swissair bird, too. Only difference is that it is Fokker 100.



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User currently offlineAR1300 From Argentina, joined Feb 2005, 1740 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 17032 times:

Hey!!Nice.I'm doing a SAS 767-300 right now.(1:144)
Just a question:What do you use as a primer??

Mike



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User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 17004 times:

Hi Karel, quiet impressive. In April, I will have time to do more on my models, then I will look after my LH A346.

User currently offlineAleksandar From Serbia, joined Jul 2000, 3236 posts, RR: 32
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 16993 times:

Quoting AR1300 (Reply 7):
Nice.I'm doing a SAS 767-300 right now.(1:144)

What color do you use for SAS? I'd love to build either SAS or Gulf Traveller. The Revell choice of 371 fro SAS doesn't seem good to me.



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User currently offlineAR1300 From Argentina, joined Feb 2005, 1740 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 16975 times:

Revell 371.Right on the head.It's on the manual.seem right to me.
But I had to change the blue for another one.the one in the manual sheet was more ''Lufthansish''.

Mike



They don't call us Continental for nothing.
User currently offlineSWISSER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 16951 times:

Quoting AR1300 (Reply 7):
Just a question:What do you use as a primer??

I use Humbrol Nr1, very good!

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 6):
It is really interesting switch. Did you finish the EK plane and started a new one or you just changed your mind and building the same one you already mentioned?

I just took the started parts of the -500 and just extended the fuselage to a -600!


User currently offlineSWISSER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 16948 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 8):
then I will look after my LH A346.

I will guide you on that!

I' am planning to create some sort of manual with detailed drawings of what to do and what to get for fellow modellers.
Anyway, the model looks really awesome!
I was planning to work on it this evening, but I got a lot of work at BRU with our newest customer at the Catering, Thalys!

Still I' am going to speed up things, and I want the model to be primered and whitened this weekend, wings in full paint and landing gear and engines installed, so I just need to paint the tail, place the decals and start the detail work like antenna's etc. So in 2 weeks it should be finished so I can start working out the manual!


User currently offlineAleksandar From Serbia, joined Jul 2000, 3236 posts, RR: 32
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 16841 times:

Quoting SWISSER (Thread starter):

Hey Karel, any news from your workbench? It seems that I totally ruined my little Fokker today, so I'd love to hear something better.



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User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 16826 times:

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 13):
It seems that I totally ruined my little Fokker today

Why, what happened?


User currently offlineAleksandar From Serbia, joined Jul 2000, 3236 posts, RR: 32
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 16815 times:

Well, usual stuff - PAINTING. I'm using a very basic airbrush and it is always a struggle. Grey went fine and then it was time for some white coat. It looks a bit better today after it dried a bit, but it won't be a competition model at all. There are some small bits I would have to fix with brush and hold my breath for some red coat.

Interestingly, this model was a bit of a struggle for me. It is the first kit I'm building after eight years of absence, so mistakes were inevitable. I'm not quite happy how the wings look (dihedral seems wrong, but looking at some photos of other finished F100s, they all seem to have the same problem).

Anyway, I'll finish it. I might even like it in a few months time and try to do better with DC-9 (in old JAT colors, my next kit to be built).



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User currently offlineSWISSER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 16804 times:

Hi guys,

well I haven't done much modelling this weekend,
I just bought Silent Hunter III and that game kept me up a few nights!
Really fun! It's even possible to play it in German!

Altough I have seen the SAA A340-600 DVD!
That was interesting stuff too, they went down the entire plane in a maintenance scene, wich is very interesting, they filmed the gearbays with great detail.

I will proceed with the work next week!

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 15):
Well, usual stuff - PAINTING. I'm using a very basic airbrush and it is always a struggle

The best price/value airbrushes are those from Badger,
I use the model 150 with a standard small compressor.
It cost a bit, but the results are awesome!
expect around €350 for the complete config with compressor.

Also what white paint do you use?
I advice Humbrol 22 with a 75% 25% paint solvent mixture for airbrushing, gives the best results, also make sure the compressor provides decent pressure levels, and you won't have a problem!

Oh yes,
give the undercoat a few days to dry and apply it gently overlaying,
not too thick, or you might rip it of when taping of other surfaces.


User currently offlineAleksandar From Serbia, joined Jul 2000, 3236 posts, RR: 32
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 16799 times:

Hi Karel,
thanks for your advice

Quoting SWISSER (Reply 16):
expect around €350 for the complete config with compressor.

too much for me, I'm afraid  crying 

Quoting SWISSER (Reply 16):
Also what white paint do you use?

I love Humbrol colors, but this time I used Revell gloss white 04



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User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 16789 times:

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 17):
Quoting SWISSER (Reply 16):
expect around €350 for the complete config with compressor.

too much for me, I'm afraid

Well, a Revell basic compressor gives you nice results as well. At least for larger surfaces.


User currently offlineSWISSER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 16749 times:

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 17):
Revell gloss white 04

It sucks! it really does!

Quoting Thorben (Reply 18):
Well, a Revell basic compressor gives you nice results as well. At least for larger surfaces.

Off course, those are excellent as well and have the correct fitting and pressure!

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 17):
too much for me, I'm afraid

Indeed, it costs much, the badger 150 is around 180EUR I think...


User currently offlineAleksandar From Serbia, joined Jul 2000, 3236 posts, RR: 32
Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 16748 times:

Quoting SWISSER (Reply 19):
It sucks! it really does!

Somehow, I simply don't like Revell gloss colors but they are the easiest to be found here. There is only one shop that has some Humbrol. I like Revell satin colors, though.

Anyway, news flash is that I started removing masking tape and, in general, it doesn't look that bad. There is a small, really small line along panel lines on the upper fuselage that is somehow greyish (not white, but not the grey too), just like scratched so I might try to fix it with brush. Like I said before, it is not bad for someone who builds his first kit after eight years (yes, back in 1998). I am not completely satisfied with results (I never will be no matter how good model looks), but it is not all completely ruined as I thought. I overreacted with that post, probably because I was too exposed to compressed gas  smile  . So, it just doesn't satisfy my expectations.....

Now, I need to hold my breath and spray that red on tail......  ouch 



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User currently offlineAleksandar From Serbia, joined Jul 2000, 3236 posts, RR: 32
Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 16747 times:

Forgot to ask something. What colors you use for engines, guys? I experimented a bit with Humbrol Aluminium Flat and it doesn't look bad. I don't like silver on fan blades, so I wanted to try something different.


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User currently offlineSWISSER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 16736 times:

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 21):
Forgot to ask something. What colors you use for engines, guys? I experimented a bit with Humbrol Aluminium Flat and it doesn't look bad. I don't like silver on fan blades, so I wanted to try something different.

53 humbrol is very nice!
My picture of the MD-11, the front part is plain 11 alu, and the aft part is a metal coat of humbrol you can buff up like a mirror!
very nice results with that!, they have numbers like 20027.

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 20):
it doesn't look that bad

I can't wait to see a picture of it!

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 20):
Now, I need to hold my breath and spray that red on tail......

one piece of advice,
take those packaging foils for preserving food and cover your plane up in that!
attach them with tape on the model.

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Photo © Johan Ljungdahl


also note that the red part of the tail on the SR F100 is not completely red till the fuselage! See the pic!
oh yes, and the tailplanes are red too!

[Edited 2006-02-28 04:19:15]

User currently offlineAleksandar From Serbia, joined Jul 2000, 3236 posts, RR: 32
Reply 23, posted (8 years 5 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 16688 times:

Quoting SWISSER (Reply 22):
I can't wait to see a picture of it!

The problem is that I don't have digital camera  Sad , but I'll figure it out how to make some photos. Or, if you visit Belgrade, you're welcome to see it yourself  Smile

Quoting SWISSER (Reply 22):
also note that the red part of the tail on the SR F100 is not completely red till the fuselage! See the pic!
oh yes, and the tailplanes are red too!

I've noticed it before. Currently, I'm looking at few photos of finished models of Fokker 100 in SR livery and it seems that both had their problems (add my as third and you can have a complete chaos Big grin ). There is a model that is finished nicely, but the guy didn't paint the tail correctly (it is red till the fuselage) and he put the decals on engines a bit too high. The second modeller did it better (it's a photo taken at Telford and posted at DrawDecal's site), but painted the frame of cockpit windows silver which is COMPLETELY wrong. My problem is to find dark brown that would be good enough for the engines. Any ideas?

Thank you for posting this photo of real plane. It is exactly what I was looking for (funny, I downloaded almost two dozens of SR F100 pics and haven't noticed this one).

Right now, I'm taking a short brake and will return to the model tomorrow.

So, after a short hijack of your thread  ashamed  , give us news about that Airbus beast you're building.



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User currently offlineSWISSER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 16679 times:

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 23):
The problem is that I don't have digital camera , but I'll figure it out how to make some photos. Or, if you visit Belgrade, you're welcome to see it yourself

I would love to visit your country ones!
BTW. I heard something on the news today about a referendum??

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 23):
My problem is to find dark brown that would be good enough for the engines. Any ideas?

Well, I looked it up in my modelling brain and strangly I could not find a solution right away in gloss...
I have to look in my paint rack!
I would defenitly paint it myself too!
Maybe a matt humbrol with a varnish?

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 23):
(it's a photo taken at Telford and posted at DrawDecal's site),

this one below I guess?
(Must be a Belgian! EBA and Sabena! damn that Sabena has a crappy cockpit! mine is better!And he forgot the marsupilami beast that was there in 1996, the olympic team logo was also placed in '96... a fault!)
http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/131/hpim16592km.jpg
Yeah the cockpit is difficult, I would fill it up, and paint windows.
http://www.drawdecal.com/telford/144%20F100%20Swissair.jpg

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 23):
So, after a short hijack of your thread

Oh no, defenitly not!
talking about models is one of the things I most like to do!
It would get a bit boring here about one sole A346  

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 23):
give us news about that Airbus beast you're building.

Well, nothing further actually!
I have a day of tommorow, so that will be model day!
Maybe even tonight, some puttyplacing is never a time loss!

[Edited 2006-03-01 01:27:00]

25 Post contains images Aleksandar : Yes, that's the one. The photos of other model I found on Google. Well, seems we'll have new borders. Montenegro seeks independence and the good chan
26 SWISSER : use orange and blue for that! black will make it more grey instead of deeper brown. Yes they where part of a PLATZ 737 set. N scale vehicles for a mo
27 Post contains links and images SWISSER : I' am very happy right now! I just was able to get 4 of these decals: So I finally can finish off my SN fleet collection! I was looking those for a fe
28 Post contains images Aleksandar : Glad to hear that. The problem is that I can't see the photo Something's wrong with the link. After I finish this Fokker (unless the little one finis
29 Post contains links and images SWISSER : Yep, just seen it, damn airlinercafé! Here they are from Danny's website, I guess the most famous Belgian modeller! (Daco products) Maybe check this
30 Post contains images Aleksandar : No, he is a world-famous modeller. I just love his decals in Revell kits. I recently bought A319 and it is amazing what he has done there! A lot of g
31 Aleksandar : Those Sabena decals are really nice. I also like their older livery with that light blue billboard title (the same as the ones on your 737 model).
32 Post contains links and images SWISSER : Me too, I was one of the few (together with you!) who liked it more then the new! I also liked the 80's blue a lot, View Large View MediumPhoto ©
33 Aleksandar : You mean OO-SLA? Yes, she spent some time in JAT fleet and my aunt flew to Singapore on it and had a very rough landing in KUL. Back then, JAT did le
34 Post contains links SWISSER : I have some custom ones from danny for the Belgian market! both DC-10 and 737's. I believe there is a very decent kit of that one, a very good, http:
35 Post contains links and images SWISSER : That 727 is really awesome! Yes, this is a model! I think it's comparable with DACO 737's.
36 Post contains images Aleksandar : It certainly is quality. I completely forgot that he also made 727-100 and had ancient Airfix kit in mind. He really does amazing things and seems li
37 Post contains images Thorben : I'm working on a paper for the university, it has do be done no later than April 3rd. It's really annoying, a lot of things don't work out the way I
38 Post contains images SWISSER : Good luck with that Thorben! I was guessing you where getting kinda busy with it. It's top priority, so don't spend to much time here then It's very n
39 Post contains images Aleksandar : I believe it is because it is resin kit and because of all the details. It seems that Welsh Models will also build only resin kits in the future. Hey
40 SWISSER : Off course not! It still is one of the most beautiful aircrafts around! I like them very much! But the sad thing is that off course in the real world
41 Post contains links and images Thorben : That was five years ago, I remember I did it the way the instructions said (I don't have them anymore). I think the main wings are light grey (Revell
42 Post contains links and images SWISSER : LH A32S is white on the upper part of both wings and tailplanes and LH-grey on the underside of the wings. The tailplanes are also white on the unders
43 Post contains images Aleksandar : Thank you for your replies, guys I apologize for not writing sooner, but yesterday was a busy day when I bought new desktop for PC, carried it by mys
44 Post contains links SWISSER : I can ask a painting label of LH at Sabena technics across my company, I' am very sure it's white in standard. It is also best to fix you to a partic
45 Post contains images Aleksandar : And I was complaining about F-100 (the only one at my desk with more soon to join in) You know, the photos I've seen only added some more confusion (
46 SWISSER : Nice models too! I have a plan of a decent 763ER in full metal AA color too!
47 Thorben : My current projects (delayed until April) are: A343 Kuwait Airways A343 South African A343 Air Mauritius A343 Gulf Air 50 years A343 Turkish Airlines
48 SWISSER : Oh,no wait, we have a small LH technics too at the other side of BRU! it was once Avipartner(my compnay) technics, so that will even be easier!
49 Post contains links and images SWISSER : Maybe a little shot on the current state of the SN fleet! When I see the picture it looks like the good old times! You can see the ARJ85, A320, A321,
50 Post contains images Aleksandar : Any help and idea would be welcome, but I do hope it won't take any of your free time. I will probably finish F-100 these days and start that A321, b
51 Post contains images SWISSER : Oh no, it's just a simple internal airport call! The guys can check the paint manual right away! I will use clear decals! very nice and an exact fit
52 Post contains images Aleksandar : In case you plan 737-200, don't forget that Airfix pulled that kit out of this year catalogue. Of course, I have no doubts that they will produce tha
53 Post contains links and images SWISSER : Ha, funny! Look at reply 24 on this thread! BTW, Kurt is also working on a 737-200 he revealed to me! I still need to get 2 DC-10's though! I have se
54 Post contains images Aleksandar : I've seen it and it does look great. Usually, modellers build dozens of the same planes in different liveries, so I just thought you might want more
55 Post contains links and images SWISSER : I can attempt one by Kurt models 732! I have this one coming along though! not 70's but 80's, will be OO-SBJ Note that this is a DACO models 737-400,
56 Aleksandar : It definitely is. Great kit and you did a fine job with it. Actually, it is the first time I see DACO kit almost finished and it looks really nice. I
57 Post contains links and images SWISSER : Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 56): It is interesting. Now, there is a livery for that particular plane that would also look great and it is Belgian too -
58 Post contains links and images Aleksandar : Thank you very much! Now a treat for your eyes. Take a look at this: http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.co...al4538_An-124_McDonald/gal4538.htm
59 Post contains images SWISSER : Very nice! I haven't bought one of those, but I will get it someday! Oh, Yes, I recieved my SN decals today from Heino Gabels (airliner-world.de) so
60 Thorben : Karel, any news on the SA A346? Or are you too busy at the moment?
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