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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 18913 times:

Have a look here.

To be honest, it looks very hideous. It just doesn't have the thing the real 777 has. If you have a look at the flexed wings, they seem to be slotted, so you can see through in some areas. I personally don't think that in the times of the supercritical wing, people would be willing to slot parts of the airfoil for efficiency.  Confused Plus, the GE90 engine looks very tiny, and the nose gear looks far too tall. What do you all simmers think?

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User currently offlineKrisYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 18894 times:

It looks pretty good to me, far above PSS B777. Don't forget does pics are pretty old, I think the plane was still in Beta when they were posted. The PSS 777 looks really odd to me, same with their A330/340. But I won't be rushing to buy it until I here some peoples opinion and read some reviews.

Wilco has also been stressing that the B777 will not be a Pilot in Command aircraft, meaning it won't have that many systems simulated. They wanted to make a plane that u can get off the ground in 5 min instead of programing the FMC and running start up procedures for 20 min on the ground.

It will be interesting to see how Wilco will strike a balance.

KrisYYZ


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21504 posts, RR: 56
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 18872 times:

I notice the 200LR has no raked tips.

http://www.wilcopub.com/wilcopub_images/images_777/35_g.jpg

Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 1):
Wilco has also been stressing that the B777 will not be a Pilot in Command aircraft, meaning it won't have that many systems simulated.

And yet, they have this on the website:

NEW : Fully functional Weather Radar, showing clouds density, rains, storms,...
You can now safely fly around dangerous weather conditions. (See picture !)
NEW : For the very first time, for long range planning and navigation, feelThere is implementing the airways input for the 777's FMS !
NEW : Traffic & Collision Avoidance System (TCAS)
NEW : Hotspots on the panel to access multiple 2D panels
NEW : Automatic engines startup - This unique 777 feature allows the pilot to switch ON the engines by turning both engine starters and push autostart buttons.
NEW : Electronic checklist - automatically updated according to the flight phases (no more paper checklists).
Vector graphics displays (GDI+ technology) for nicer and smoother graphics
FMS : SID & STARS, POS init, RTE, LEGS, FIX, PROGRESS, VNAV, NAV,...
Ground Proximity Warning System (GPWS) with multiple callouts
Pop up instrument EFIS screens for multi-monitor displays
Numerous warnings and caution messages
Multi Function Display
Accurate AutoPilot control panel
APU startup/shutdown sequences fully simulated for a complete cold & dark cockpit (battery and generators switches fully operative)
FMC Database : standard feelThere database, updated regularly


Sounds pretty detailed to me. But I'm not holding out for much, FeelThere is really hit or miss with their products - not yet in the class of PMDG or Flight1/Dreamfleet.

-Mir



7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
User currently offlineKrisYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 18860 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 2):
I notice the 200LR has no raked tips.

That was a paintjob mistake that Wilco will correct. Wilco will only be releasing the B777-200ER with GE-90s and no other derivative.

Quoting Mir (Reply 2):
Sounds pretty detailed to me.

I agree, the features look impressive. I guess I should of been more clear on what I meant regarding functionality.

From feelthere.com
On the 777 we'll simulate the fuel, APU and some electrics systems. The ones that you must need for the flight. Hydraulics and so will be left out because we would like to create a plane that can be set up for flight in about 5 minutes. The goal is not to simulate everything 100% but to give the armchair pilot some nice experience without the need of reading pages of tutorials. For this reason we decided to simulate the electronic checklist so you don't even need the paper checklist to fly the plane. One can argue if we should make it more detailed or not, but we would like to reach for all kind of customers covering easier to fly airplanes and detailed ones.
Calling a plane fleet or PIC doesn't matter. As a matter of fact there is a talk with Wilco about keeping the PIC brand only but introduce different complexity airplanes under that title.

http://www.iemit.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3888

http://www.feelthere.com/2005/777.html

KrisYYZ

[Edited 2006-03-08 20:17:14]

User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 18843 times:

It still amazes me that there is no single payware design group who is willing to make each and every 777 variant in existence. There's more to the 777 than just the GE90.

User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2373 posts, RR: 21
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 18840 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 4):
It still amazes me that there is no single payware design group who is willing to make each and every 777 variant in existence. There's more to the 777 than just the GE90.

What also amazes me is that there still is no decent A380 model. Either freeware nor buyware


User currently offlineUndies737 From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 17573 times:

anyone had troubles loading a flight plan into the Wilco/Feelthere 777 (FSX) FMC?

i used KDEN-KLAS as the guinea-pig flight. i also used a formal B737 systems tutorial program (which are given to real world B737 crews) to answer my ???s as the manual which came with the Wilco 777 addon is too abreviated.

i use the FMC (we call it CNI/MU - CommNavInterfaceManagementUnit: type specific terminology) C130Js at work to practice on & have successfully got that magenta line from A to B with a VNAV profile, so im hoping im not the reason the wilco FMC doesnt fully function?

it doesnt let you select transition point on the SIDs page, does not recognise airways when putting the info in along the LH LSKs, joining discontinuities doesnt seem to work rather just deletes the SID altogether.

interested to hear any feedbacks/pointers

cheers

undies737


User currently offlineJamesbuk From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 3968 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 17569 times:

 rotfl  Ive seen better free ware stuff than that! But then wilco has never been a quality addon producer...

IMO that should all be binned and started again, the wheels are miles too small and look well just wrong, the front section is completely off and the VC looks like a pile of turd.

Ill stick with my PSS version... atleast it looks like the 777 and simulates most if not all systems.

rgds --James--



You cant have your cake and eat it... What the hells the point in having it then!!!
User currently offlineBok269 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 2105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 17504 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 2):
I notice the 200LR has no raked tips.

Its a -200ER model. Maybe they copied a worldliner for the house livery and forgot to remove the 200LR text.



"Reality is wrong, dreams are for real." -Tupac
User currently offlineGerry From Australia, joined Jul 1999, 241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 17414 times:

I beleive that as far as the FMC is concerned there is no TOD calculated either so that you have to manually calculate a VS to arrive appropriately. If so what is VNAV for then? If I am wrong about this I apologise. It's just what I have heard and read.

Gerry


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