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User currently offlineAzza40 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 1052 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 8 months 21 hours ago) and read 4553 times:

hi all,

me and my freind, jon, were talking and we thought about how a link between the isle of wight and southampton or bembridge and possibly london city airport. we thought it would be a good link for buissness, commercial and lesiure use. currently, the link by ferry takes 20 mins, and the airlink would take 7 mins. charging approx £19. we thought that BAe jetstream aircraft would be perfect for the route.

what are you opinions on the idea?

if you would like to contact us on any of the below addresses, that would be good as well.

azza40@hotmail.co.uk
jonathan_mark_davies@hotmail.com

regards,
Aaron  sly 


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User currently offlineRJ111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 21 hours ago) and read 4546 times:

I don't know the area amasingly well, but i'd imagine it's not really worth the hassle when going to the respective airports. LCY might be worthwhile.

Why do you have a J41?


User currently offlineTimboflier215 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1344 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 21 hours ago) and read 4513 times:

i take it thats 7 mins flight time. dont forget check in, taxiing, waiting for bags etc etc. im not sure it would be worth it. plus, how many of the ferry users are foot pax, and how many bring their car??

User currently offlineDaleaholic From UK - England, joined Oct 2005, 3208 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 20 hours ago) and read 4498 times:

Wouldn't really work, people wouldn't want all the hassle of checking in, getting bags, waiting. Just for a 7 minute flight.


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User currently offlineLeonB1985 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 20 hours ago) and read 4473 times:

Are you sure that £19 per passenger could cover all your costs?

User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4359 posts, RR: 35
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 20 hours ago) and read 4437 times:

No chance you would make a profit filling the J-41 with 19 GBP tickets. Remember the pilots, maintenance, flight attendants, other staff all need salaries, probably you will need at least 20 staff members (or comparible outsourced people working full time equivalent for the operation) costing about 100 GBP a day each, that means 2000 GBP on salaries alone. Then the aircraft, fuel, parts, fees etc which will triple the fixed costs of the airline.
A full J-41 will only have a revenue of 570 GBP, so it would only work if you manage to fill it on an hourly basis. But I am sure you won't find that many pax for instance on tuesdays between 11 and 3 pm.
This is the reason short flights on small prop aircraft (check Eastern Airways and Aurigny) usually start at least at 50 GBP and there are relatively few of these sort of flights. Only FlyBe can be a bit cheaper but their smallest aircraft is now the Q400 with 70 seats, and economies of scale then start to be a factor.



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User currently offlineAzza40 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 1052 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 20 hours ago) and read 4431 times:

Quoting LeonB1985 (Reply 4):
Are you sure that £19 per passenger could cover all your costs?

jon suggested that, and i agreed. LS fly from MAN-LGW for £15, so i am sure a little flight for £19 could be possible

Aaron  sly 



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User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4126 posts, RR: 29
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 20 hours ago) and read 4422 times:

But LS does not sell all seats for 15£, the last few seats more likely go away for 150£ or so...

Regards,
RJ100



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User currently offlineLeonB1985 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 20 hours ago) and read 4408 times:

Quoting Azza40 (Reply 6):
LS fly from MAN-LGW for £15, so i am sure a little flight for £19 could be possible

But LS are a larger company with experience in aviation and (I assume) a fair amount of cash behind them. I think a start-up with a Jetstream just wouldn't be able to survive with the same sort of business model employed by LS. Remember also that LS have B737s with a considerably larger capacity than a Jetstream, and only a relative minority will pay the £15 headline fares.


User currently offlineArt From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 3398 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 19 hours ago) and read 4372 times:

Quoting RJ111 (Reply 1):
LCY might be worthwhile.

I would suggest finding out how many people travel from the Isle of Wight to central London each day using the train as step 1. Step 2, when do they need to arrive in central London and when do they need to return to the Isle of Wight? Step 3, how much does it cost them and what do they pay return?
Step 4, have a look at the costs - an indication kindly provided below.

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 5):
Remember the pilots, maintenance, flight attendants, other staff all need salaries, probably you will need at least 20 staff members (or comparible outsourced people working full time equivalent for the operation) costing about 100 GBP a day each, that means 2000 GBP on salaries alone. Then the aircraft, fuel, parts, fees etc which will triple the fixed costs of the airline.

And there is marketing/advertising etc to pay.

Step 5, having an idea of current passenger numbers IOW - central London and the demand distribution during the day, see the minimum price you would need to charge to cover costs.

If it's a lot more than the ferry/train return price, does not look promising. If it's half the ferry/train return price, it might be worth investigating further.


User currently offlineBA767s From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4166 times:

Hey buddy - take a look at this, looks like this OAT grad beat you to it im afraid.

http://www.flyalpha1.com/

John


User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9545 posts, RR: 42
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4152 times:

Quoting BA767s (Reply 10):
Hey buddy - take a look at this, looks like this OAT grad beat you to it im afraid.

Since every page I tried is "under construction" I'd have to go with the information on the front page, i.e. that's a service from the Isle of Man. I'm sure the Isle of Man ferry takes more than 20 minutes!


User currently offlineNighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 5186 posts, RR: 33
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4113 times:

Quoting BA767s (Reply 10):
Hey buddy - take a look at this, looks like this OAT grad beat you to it im afraid.

http://www.flyalpha1.com/

John

Alpha1 ceased ops months ago......



That'll teach you
User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9545 posts, RR: 42
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4107 times:

Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 12):
Alpha1 ceased ops months ago......

But did they ever operate from the Isle of Wight?


User currently offlineAzza40 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 1052 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4096 times:

alpha1 was from the isle of man, i said to operate from the isle of wight

Aaron  sly 



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User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9545 posts, RR: 42
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4078 times:

Quoting Azza40 (Reply 14):
alpha1 was from the isle of man, i said to operate from the isle of wight

Exactly!


User currently offlineAirWillie6475 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4070 times:

maybe you can charge people based on their weight for round trip tickets.

User currently offlineAzza40 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 1052 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4056 times:

how about a postal service, would that work?

Aaron  sly 



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