Azza40 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 1052 posts, RR: 2 Posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4265 times:
me and my freind, jon, were talking and we thought about how a link between the isle of wight and southampton or bembridge and possibly london city airport. we thought it would be a good link for buissness, commercial and lesiure use. currently, the link by ferry takes 20 mins, and the airlink would take 7 mins. charging approx £19. we thought that BAe jetstream aircraft would be perfect for the route.
what are you opinions on the idea?
if you would like to contact us on any of the below addresses, that would be good as well.
Timboflier215 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1323 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4225 times:
i take it thats 7 mins flight time. dont forget check in, taxiing, waiting for bags etc etc. im not sure it would be worth it. plus, how many of the ferry users are foot pax, and how many bring their car??
MEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4304 posts, RR: 36
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4149 times:
No chance you would make a profit filling the J-41 with 19 GBP tickets. Remember the pilots, maintenance, flight attendants, other staff all need salaries, probably you will need at least 20 staff members (or comparible outsourced people working full time equivalent for the operation) costing about 100 GBP a day each, that means 2000 GBP on salaries alone. Then the aircraft, fuel, parts, fees etc which will triple the fixed costs of the airline.
A full J-41 will only have a revenue of 570 GBP, so it would only work if you manage to fill it on an hourly basis. But I am sure you won't find that many pax for instance on tuesdays between 11 and 3 pm.
This is the reason short flights on small prop aircraft (check Eastern Airways and Aurigny) usually start at least at 50 GBP and there are relatively few of these sort of flights. Only FlyBe can be a bit cheaper but their smallest aircraft is now the Q400 with 70 seats, and economies of scale then start to be a factor.
nobody has ever died from hard work, but why take the risk?
LeonB1985 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4120 times:
Quoting Azza40 (Reply 6): LS fly from MAN-LGW for £15, so i am sure a little flight for £19 could be possible
But LS are a larger company with experience in aviation and (I assume) a fair amount of cash behind them. I think a start-up with a Jetstream just wouldn't be able to survive with the same sort of business model employed by LS. Remember also that LS have B737s with a considerably larger capacity than a Jetstream, and only a relative minority will pay the £15 headline fares.
I would suggest finding out how many people travel from the Isle of Wight to central London each day using the train as step 1. Step 2, when do they need to arrive in central London and when do they need to return to the Isle of Wight? Step 3, how much does it cost them and what do they pay return?
Step 4, have a look at the costs - an indication kindly provided below.
Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 5): Remember the pilots, maintenance, flight attendants, other staff all need salaries, probably you will need at least 20 staff members (or comparible outsourced people working full time equivalent for the operation) costing about 100 GBP a day each, that means 2000 GBP on salaries alone. Then the aircraft, fuel, parts, fees etc which will triple the fixed costs of the airline.
And there is marketing/advertising etc to pay.
Step 5, having an idea of current passenger numbers IOW - central London and the demand distribution during the day, see the minimum price you would need to charge to cover costs.
If it's a lot more than the ferry/train return price, does not look promising. If it's half the ferry/train return price, it might be worth investigating further.
David L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9524 posts, RR: 42
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 3 days ago) and read 3864 times:
Quoting BA767s (Reply 10): Hey buddy - take a look at this, looks like this OAT grad beat you to it im afraid.
Since every page I tried is "under construction" I'd have to go with the information on the front page, i.e. that's a service from the Isle of Man. I'm sure the Isle of Man ferry takes more than 20 minutes!