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What's Wrong With FS ATC?  
User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2376 posts, RR: 21
Posted (8 years 3 months 8 hours ago) and read 7043 times:

here are two screenshots from my latest Moscow-Copenhagen trip, and see what happened right after take-off. LOL
It kept saying TRAFFIC TRAFFIC, DESCEND DESCEND.


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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21528 posts, RR: 55
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 7 hours ago) and read 7026 times:

FS ATC does not ensure separation.....hopefully this will be fixed with FSX.

-Mir



7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2376 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 7 hours ago) and read 7026 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 1):

I hope so too! lol


User currently offlineBtriple7 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1160 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6971 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 1):
FS ATC does not ensure separation

That can be a pain in the neck when you are on final behind a Cessna and don't even know it. It has ended so many of my flights without even landing.

Regards,
Btriple7

[Edited 2006-05-03 03:17:57]


Just...fly.
User currently offlineSpark From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6959 times:

I use AI seperation, which isn't perfect, but improves my chances of not being bumped on my final. I'm also not adverse to cheating, and deleting aircraft that I know is going to cause me problems. It would be a nice improvement to FS ATC.

User currently offlineVinnieWinnie From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 772 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6934 times:

Quoting Spark (Reply 4):
use AI seperation, which isn't perfect, but improves my chances of not being bumped on my final. I'm also not adverse to cheating, and deleting aircraft that I know is going to cause me problems. It would be a nice improvement to FS ATC.

Wouldn't call that cheating since I do exactly the same!  Wink! More seriously you are cheating because of the weaknesses of flightsim's ATC so no harm done!

Also a thing that really p***** me off is the fact that ATC orders you to descend way too early! Meaning that usually you end up flying at 3000 feet for about 10 minutes! Highly unrealistic! I immensely share the pain of people living below the runway lol  Smile


User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9523 posts, RR: 42
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6933 times:

Quoting Spark (Reply 4):
Also a thing that really p***** me off is the fact that ATC orders you to descend way too early! Meaning that usually you end up flying at 3000 feet for about 10 minutes! Highly unrealistic!

To make matters worse, they don't do that till they've started your initial descent too late and start the "please expedite your descent" malarky!


User currently offlineEdelag From Mexico, joined Dec 2005, 331 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6924 times:

I simply don't enjoy FS ATC, I almost crashed my British Airways A319 one time that I was on approach on Belfast.

One time I was on a flight from MEX-DFW, and I don't know what happened and I didn't do anything, they routed me to MIA and I never got to my intended destination! A real bugger because I was flying under FS passengers and I lost about 500 points for diverting and for arriving late.



It's not just the destination, it's the journey.
User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3500 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6900 times:

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c348/muemat26/closecall2.jpg



It happens!



Next Flight: 9/17 BFI-BFI
User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2376 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6887 times:

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 8):

LOL! even "better" than my example Big grin


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6790 times:

Quoting Edelag (Reply 7):
I simply don't enjoy FS ATC, I almost crashed my British Airways A319 one time that I was on approach on Belfast

It did happen to me as well, but when I was flying BFI-SFO on an ER 727, and that was on finals. I crashed with what I believe was a US or NW 757, simply because ATC didn't keep separation between us.


User currently offlineFrancoBlanco From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6724 times:

1. Ignore FS ATC if it annoys you. They won´t kick your IFR flightplan unless you don´t answer them.

2. Disable crashes. All the invisible potholes, AI aircraft being pushed without any clearance, guidance and reason, and mid-air collisions make FS flying a real pain in the APU.

3. For more realism, buy Radar Contact 4. It isn´t perfect, but it is a LOT better than MS ATC.

4. For the most realism, fly online.

Sebastian


User currently offlineCactushp From United States of America, joined May 2004, 348 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6707 times:

Thats right, their is no comparison between fs ATC and the very realistic VATSIM.

www.vatsim.net



Sorry, I was on the landline
User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6699 times:

Quoting FrancoBlanco (Reply 11):
Ignore FS ATC if it annoys you. They won´t kick your IFR flightplan unless you don´t answer them.

Or if you're using paywares such as the LDS 767 or PMDG, fly online or don't fly with FS ATC at all.


User currently offlineGEEZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6697 times:

Quoting FrancoBlanco (Reply 11):
1. Ignore FS ATC if it annoys you. They won´t kick your IFR flightplan unless you don´t answer them.

Great advice - I been doing that for as long as I can remember!

Quoting FrancoBlanco (Reply 11):
a real pain in the APU.

 rotfl   rotfl 

Quoting FrancoBlanco (Reply 11):
4. For the most realism, fly online.

Flying online is good, but on the flipside, you dont get the full amount of traffic around you which to me, takes away a huge element of the fun and realism.

Quoting Btriple7 (Reply 3):
It has ended so many of my flights without even landing.

Couldn't you just execute a go-around?

Chris  wave 


User currently offlineCsturdiv From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1448 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6693 times:

Quoting GEEZ (Reply 14):
Flying online is good, but on the flipside, you dont get the full amount of traffic around you which to me, takes away a huge element of the fun and realism.

I agree. I used to fly online when I was involved in a VA and some areas were fun to fly in (like around New York) but when I flew my northern routes out of ORD to places like MSP and Green Bay, it was a ghost town up there and was really boring when flying.



Posting from somewhere between KORD and KRFD
User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6661 times:

Quoting GEEZ (Reply 14):
Couldn't you just execute a go-around?

Not if you're in an ATR and an AI MD80 comes from behind you and literally passes THROUGH your plane as you're on short final.  Wink

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlineMADtoCAE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6634 times:

FS ATC is just plain stupid.

User currently offlineN908AW From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 922 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6601 times:

Quoting Cactushp (Reply 12):
Thats right, their is no comparison between fs ATC and the very realistic VATSIM.

Yes! Come visit me on Minneapolis Center sometime  Smile



'Cause you're on ATA again, and on ATA, you're on vacation!
User currently offlineA3204eva From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1060 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6580 times:

Quoting GEEZ (Reply 14):
Flying online is good, but on the flipside, you dont get the full amount of traffic around you which to me, takes away a huge element of the fun and realism.

Oh I dunno  Wink http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/A3204eva/ccoverload2.jpg

Makes controlling MAN W CTR a challenge Big grin



"They have lady pilots......... they're not that good, but they have 'em"
User currently offlineSnaiks From Panama, joined Mar 2005, 216 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6534 times:

I wish my CTR was like that, i have 1 traffic a day

User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2376 posts, RR: 21
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6516 times:

how do I get started with online fs atc?

User currently offlineA3204eva From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1060 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6497 times:

www.vatsim.net and register as a new pilot (or new vATCO if you wish [I do both so best of both worlds Big grin]).

After you've registered go to the downloads section and get Squawkbox 3 and also Servinfo which will show you all the online ATC and pilots that are currently connected.

Before connecting make sure you read the pilot resources as we follow real world procedures and are nothing like the default FS ATC.

NEVER CONNECT ON AN ACTIVE RWY AND MAKE SURE YOU FILE CORRECT FLIGHTPLANS WITH SIDS/STARS/WAYPOINTS/AIRWAYS WHERE APPLICABLE

 Smile



"They have lady pilots......... they're not that good, but they have 'em"
User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2376 posts, RR: 21
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6490 times:

Quoting A3204eva (Reply 22):

thanks! I'll try  Smile


User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9523 posts, RR: 42
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6475 times:

Quoting A3204eva (Reply 22):

Presumably pausing a flight when visitors appear or when you need to go shopping is a big no-no, as well.  Smile


25 Post contains images AirPacific747 : LOL!
26 Post contains images A3204eva : Depends if there's ATC on.. if so, expect a SUP to kick you very shortly after Another coulple of things to note... Always have charts - they're freel
27 Post contains images ATAIndy : And they just stopped calling me that on Xbox live! -Feister
28 Post contains images AirPacific747 : hehehehe!! Anyway I downloaded squawkbox 3 and signed up for vatsim. I started fs, then started squawkbox, tuned the frequency in the aircraft for th
29 Post contains images A3204eva : Have you setup/checked your mic in the Sb3 settings? There should be an option to test it and change the inputs
30 Post contains images Longhornmaniac : I assume that you made sure you were holding down the correct key, while talking, as well?? The only reason I say this is I just tried to start talki
31 Post contains images AirPacific747 : yes ah that might be the answer I will try pressing down scroll lock. Thankyou very very much!!
32 San747 : That happened to me! I was flying ALB-BWI with a WN 737-700, and the ATC routed way past BWI, I was on a track for SJU!!!
33 Csturdiv : Is there a good guide for setting up all the needed software to fly online. It has been so long since I have flown online that I have forgotten how to
34 Post contains links and images Cactushp : The VATSIM PRC is a great resource for everything vatsim, including training, charts, and flying with atc. Weekly event such as TGIF and ARTCC sponsor
35 Post contains images Longhornmaniac : Not a problem! Us noobies gotta stick together. I hope that fixed it!! Let me know! Cheers, Cameron
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