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Can't Fly FS After Flying In Real Life  
User currently offlineJalto27R From United States of America, joined May 2004, 857 posts, RR: 15
Posted (8 years 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6494 times:

Hey guys. Just got back from soloing at a flight course last week, and went to go fly on Flight Sim with the Cessna...and I just can't do it! It feels so unrealistic, that I can't fly with it. The way the plane turns, the way it reacts to power input..it's all really inaccurate. The worst part for me is I fly older version Cessna's, so the panel in FS is inaccurate for me in that it is missing carb heat...which just drives me crazy. Hahahaha. Has anyone else run into this problem with any of the aircraft in FS?

Mike

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User currently offlineKLM672 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 2433 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6486 times:

Same thing, did the pattern perfect over at my local airport and then jumped into the same plane (C150) same airport and it didnt work.

User currently offlineFlyMIA From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7110 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 6463 times:

You could buy a payware Cessna 150 from Flight Sim if you want to get some practice with FS. But many Simmers who are real pilots will tell you FS is never good to practice Stick Rudder skills or anything like that because it is much harder in FS. It is good to practice some IFR though.


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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21510 posts, RR: 55
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 6412 times:

Quoting FlyMIA (Reply 2):
It is good to practice some IFR though.

Amen to that. FS is just not a VFR sim, unless you´re doing stuff that would be illegal in real life (in which case, FS is definitely the place to do it  Smile ). IFR is another story.

I don´t fly the small planes much anymore, but I still like to fly the bigger iron. The ATC has started to frustrate me though - I´m debating whether or not to invest in RadarContact with FSX on the horizon. And yes, I know about VATSIM.

-Mir



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User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3499 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6336 times:

A good friend of mine told me the exact same thing when he started flying at 16. I don't find it terribly surprising.


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User currently offlineSinkrate From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 336 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6292 times:

Hey,
I found the exact same thing. When i first went flying about 1.5 yrs ago i was so excited. I got home and jumped on FS. I was really dissapointed.

Michael


User currently offlineAussieAviator From Australia, joined Jul 2006, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6264 times:

You're right there mate !

Flight simulation software such as FS2004 have obvious limitations and this aspect can be further influenced by inferior peripheral equipment (eg. cheap joysticks etc).

I believe the current range of Flight Sim software should be more correctly marketed as: 'Synthetic Trainers'.

Software such as that mention in this thread is useful for basic 'orientation' and practicing IFR techniques - but, that's about where it all ends!

Some dedicated 'flight simmers' would argue otherwise, but, then again - some of these people are the same people who walk around in flying suits embossed with 'wings' and literally call themselves "Pilots"! Can't work that one out?

I just hope the 'flight sim' developers keep on keeping on and continue to provide us all with a very functional, high standard - training 'game.'



Graham Slingsby
User currently offlineLHR27C From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 1279 posts, RR: 16
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6257 times:

When I started learning to fly, I thought I'd come back and practise everything in FS, but actually I don't, at least for VFR stick/rudder skills it just doesn't feel the same. For IFR, flying the airliners, it's much better (provided you have good add-ons  Smile ). So I found my FS experience really useful flying a 777 Level-D full motion simulator last December, whereas when starting to learn to fly, it seemed to have been more a hindrance than a help. I spent too much time staring at the instruments when I should have been looking outside.


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User currently offlineDreamsUnited From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 264 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6249 times:

I got back from SNA after an afternoon of really nice 1,600 overcast pattern work and I got home, plugged in the weather and everything so I could continue my experience and it just was NOT the same, nowhere near...


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User currently offlineAussieAviator From Australia, joined Jul 2006, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6183 times:

Quoting LHR27C (Reply 7):
I spent too much time staring at the instruments when I should have been looking outside.

This is a very big danger for new pilots (especially those at ab initio stage). As useful as flight simulator software is, this propensity for students to become focussed on instruments when flying a real aircraft, is something many instructors notice with students who have extensive 'experience' using software such as FS2004.

This is an even bigger problem for students who enter flight training with the military, as much of the military training focusses upon 'attitude' flying - at least in the intital stages of the syallabus.



Graham Slingsby
User currently offlineJetflyer From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6064 times:

Quoting AussieAviator (Reply 9):
This is a very big danger for new pilots (especially those at ab initio stage). As useful as flight simulator software is, this propensity for students to become focussed on instruments when flying a real aircraft, is something many instructors notice with students who have extensive 'experience' using software such as FS2004.

I had this problem when I started flying real aircraft, thanks to FS2004 most likely. In the way the Cessna 150 handles on FS it isn't bad, about 7/10 but it doesn't feel correct because a) you can't feel the motion and b) it responds differently by the different controls you use. The Cessna 150 is the only plane I have been able to fly in real life that I have also flown on FS as well. I don't fly much GA on FS.


User currently offlineAirtahitinui From French Polynesia, joined Jul 2001, 79 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5958 times:

FS is not a simulator - it is a game.

If you want to get anywhere close to real flight dynamics you have to use x-plane.

After I started flying (in an actual plane) FS became a toy. I've been playing with x-plane and its much better (not perfect though). Also, as an aero-engineer I appreciate the appraoch x-plane takes to mirror the physics of real-world flight.



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User currently offlineLIPH From Italy, joined May 2004, 848 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5933 times:

Jalto ! I happened the exact same thing ! I'm taking my PPL and once begun I had not been able to go back and play FS ! Cannot find a real reason though...It sounds like that once you've flown real you can't go back because you miss the same sensations you have while in flight....


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User currently offlineJetflyer From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5920 times:

Quoting Airtahitinui (Reply 11):
If you want to get anywhere close to real flight dynamics you have to use x-plane.

After I started flying (in an actual plane) FS became a toy. I've been playing with x-plane and its much better (not perfect though). Also, as an aero-engineer I appreciate the appraoch x-plane takes to mirror the physics of real-world flight.

Ha ha sorry no if you call MSFS a "game" then so is X-plane... I've tried both and flown real planes... the flight dynamics are as good as the author makes them... end of story. I've seen far more realistic ones for FS2004 than some on X-plane and vice versa.... to call FS a game would mean X-plane is too. Sorry. They simulate exactly the same stuff!


User currently offlinePilotdude09 From Australia, joined May 2005, 1777 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5901 times:

It is a weird feeling but if you fly the bigger stuff like 767's 737's it can be good!

My instructor reckons i can practise in real life then give it a go on flight sim, sometimes it works other times it doesnt!



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User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4488 posts, RR: 21
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5829 times:

Lots of people make a big differentiation with FS and X-Plane, but I don't think the problem lies so much in that.

I really think it's more of the environment.

There's just no substitute from the full sensory experience of real flight. You can't use your peripheral vision, you don't have an accurate tactile feeling, you don't have the constant vibration and sound of engines, and you don't have the same vestibular system inputs. That's basically impossible to simulate with one average consumer PC.



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User currently offlineFutureualpilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2602 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5720 times:

FS is fun, however for VFR flying, as stated, it is not so great. It has been helpful with instrument work, i.e. scans, instrument interpretation, practicing approaches andf SIDs/DPs, and as far as the big iron, it is fun to imagine, but I wish you could do more with it. Maybe program the FMS, have more of the overhead panel to use for checklists, etc.


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