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Direct GPS, VOR-VOR Or Airways  
User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8917 times:

Which is more realsitic in airline operations for FS2004. Direct GPS, VOR-VOR or High/Low Altitude Airways


I want it to be as parallel to airline operations as possible.


Tom

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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21726 posts, RR: 55
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 8908 times:

In the US, you can use either VOR to VOR or airways. Direct GPS is only appropriate if you're flying from Nowheresville A to Nowheresville B without leaving the middle of nowhere.

-Mir



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User currently offlineCptSpeaking From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 639 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 8908 times:

Most airlines file their flightplans on airways (<18,000 - low altitude; FL180 or greater - high), but they also get direct-to clearances while enroute. These could be to a waypoint or to the destination airport. If it is a big airport, it would most likely be to the initial fix on the arrival procedure. This is where you run into some problems with FS9, because it doesn't do departure and arrival procedures. The only way you could do something like that and incorporate it into the FS ATC is to buy a program like FSBuild that creates flight plans for you and saves them in FS format.

If you've got any complex add-on airplanes from companys such as PMDG, PSS or Level-D, then you could just program the FMC with your route and fly it without ATC (IFR anyways...). If you're looking for real-world routes, go on www.flightaware.com and you can see what routes have been filed and can fly those exactly.

Happy flying!!

Your CptSpeaking  wave 



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 8899 times:

Don't use neither low or high airways if you're flying Transatlantic. Especially since FS doesn't have any basic NATs hardcoded.

If you fly FS default low or high airways transoceanic flight, not only the routing becomes harder, but also that it could make your flight an RTW flight without you wanting it.


User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9525 posts, RR: 42
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 8889 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 3):
Don't use neither low or high airways if you're flying Transatlantic. Especially since FS doesn't have any basic NATs hardcoded.

Yes, get a third party planner for that!


User currently offlineJetmatt777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2822 posts, RR: 33
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 8883 times:

I fly VOR to VOR.

-Matt  Smile



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User currently offlineNorthStarDC4M From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 3038 posts, RR: 36
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 8868 times:
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I hope everyone realises you can build your own FP starting from GPS direct in FS2004 flightplanner? Simply drag the red line to the nav point you wish to use (NDF/VOR/Airport/Intersection) and it will add to the flightplan, though most of the time a box will pop up asking what you want to align to and will list airways which you can't insert (grrrr) before the rest.


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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21726 posts, RR: 55
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 8819 times:

Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 6):
I hope everyone realises you can build your own FP starting from GPS direct in FS2004 flightplanner?

Of course. But it's a real pain in the ass. Then I got FSNavigator and that was never a problem again.  biggrin 

-Mir



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User currently offlineAirWillie6475 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 8800 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 7):
FSNavigator and that was never a problem again.

How does that work? It's confusing.


User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 8800 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 7):
Then I got FSNavigator and that was never a problem again.

I sit free
 Big grin

Tom


User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9525 posts, RR: 42
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 8772 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 7):
But it's a real pain in the ass.

Yup!

Quoting Mir (Reply 7):
Then I got FSNavigator and that was never a problem again

Ditto!


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21726 posts, RR: 55
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 8737 times:

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 8):
How does that work? It's confusing.

It actually works on much the same principle as the default FS planner, with a few major (critical) differences:

1) You can insert SIDs and STARs.
2) Instead of dragging your route to the waypoints you want to go through, you drag the waypoints you want to go through to your route. Seems insignificant, but it really does make things a lot easier.
3) FSNav allows you to insert oceanic waypoints into your route
4) FSNav displays airways much more clearly than the default planner.

And FSNavigator has the ability to act as a radar for multiplayer sessions.

-Mir



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User currently offlineMalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 8720 times:

I just use direct GPS, too lazy and the default FS gets nasty on transoceanic flights, for some reason it use to look realistic but suddenly it makes some sort of way point totally out of place and makes it zig zag now, so I went to direct GPS.


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User currently offlinePilot3033 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 8708 times:

Most of my flights are on VATSIM, so I use www.flightaware.com to find the route, and use FSBuild to put the route in FS and all my addons. If I need to actually plan a route (I was unable to find a real-world flightplan, but it does not happen often) I use FSBuild on it's own as a flight planner as well as FSNav.

FS is really bad at flight planning. VOR-VOR has to be the worst of the three.



-Matt
User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9525 posts, RR: 42
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8694 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 11):
2) Instead of dragging your route to the waypoints you want to go through, you drag the waypoints you want to go through to your route. Seems insignificant, but it really does make things a lot easier.

It becomes significant if the waypoint is a long way from the current flight path.

Quoting Mir (Reply 11):
4) FSNav displays airways much more clearly than the default planner.

But it doesn't include the airways in the printout of the plan - or have I missed something? It only takes 5 minutes to get the airways from the map, though.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21726 posts, RR: 55
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 8662 times:

Quoting David L (Reply 14):
It becomes significant if the waypoint is a long way from the current flight path.

Absolutely.

Quoting David L (Reply 14):
But it doesn't include the airways in the printout of the plan - or have I missed something?

I don't print out plans, so I wouldn't know. I just write the airways and waypoints down and put them into my FMC.

-Mir



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