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User currently offlineEMA747 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 1171 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5403 times:

HI,

I was thinking of something the other day while watching one of your DVDs that I thought might be a good idea for your future releases. I have 15 or so of your DVDs and they are all very good. However, most of them contain a cockpit presentation and after seeing 15 films, the majority of them being A330/340 the cockpit presenations get a bit boring. Dont take that the wrong way, its just after seeing a couple on the same type of plane you get the jist.
My idea is this: could you not do a series of films that have cockpit presentations plus the rest of the flights (like the present format) and call them a "beginner" series. They could be aimed at people who want to get to know the operations and tecnical details of a new aircraft type. You could then do a series of "expert" (I dont mean to be vein just could think of another word) films that omit the cockpit presentations and concentrate more on the whole flight. ie preperations, route info, extended arrival phase (like Austrian A330 film). These films could give a real sence of "being there" with the pilots etc. Im thinking like the Swiss MD-11 and Austrain A330 but without the cockpit presentations because I really felt like I had been on a little holiday with the crew.

You could either do the two types with the same film, for one version just include more action and for the other cut out the action and put a cocpit presentation in.

So basically if you wanted to find out about a new aircraft type you could get a beginner DVD. If you have already seen a beginner film you could get an expert one to get a more immersive film.

I will say it again that I love your films and that this is just a thought and is in no way putting you funderful work down.

PS, would love to see more 777 and 747 DVDs, SQ, EK, BA?  Wink

Regards

Andy S


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User currently offlineAjd1992 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5388 times:

Um... You do know this forum has nothing to do with Just Planes, although your a noobie so that's ok  Silly. Maybe they have their own forum, i'm sure a quick google search would yield some useful information.

User currently offlineEMA747 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 1171 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5379 times:

I do know it has nothing to do with Just Planes. I have seen some of the team from JP posting in this forum so I decided to post here insted of send them an email.  Wink


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User currently offlineAirWillie6475 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5360 times:

There's a lot of Just Planes posts here. I agree with you EMA747. The new worldairroutes, although a great production company, does have an amateur feel to their style of fliming. I enjoyed more of their old videos like the Sabena series. And yes I do have to say that the A320/330 has been filmed to death. I hope they try other aircraft like Emb170/190/CRJ700/900/777/747 and also more Asian airlines in Japan or Taiwan or Hong Kong.

User currently offlineEMA747 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 1171 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5320 times:

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 3):
The new worldairroutes, although a great production company, does have an amateur feel to their style of filming

I didnt mean that. I think their filming is good on the whole. Different to ITVV films but I thing its good that we have the two companies.

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 3):
more Asian airlines in Japan or Taiwan or Hong Kong

Right on. Do a lot of my FS flying in Asia, so it would be good to see how the pros do it (and how much of an amature I am, LOL)



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User currently offlineJustPlanes From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 886 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5301 times:

Quoting EMA747 (Thread starter):
I was thinking of something the other day while watching one of your DVDs that I thought might be a good idea for your future releases. I have 15 or so of your DVDs and they are all very good. However, most of them contain a cockpit presentation and after seeing 15 films, the majority of them being A330/340 the cockpit presenations get a bit boring. Dont take that the wrong way, its just after seeing a couple on the same type of plane you get the jist.

Hey EMA747
I could not agree with you more... and a few years ago we started releasing some programs with no cockpit presentations whatsoever... Now we mix things so that some programs have in debt presentations of around 60mins, others have more specific presentations that focus on a special aspect and are say 20-30mins, others give a very basic look of anywhere between 5-15mins and others have no presentations at all...
I don't think we could split the series up into 2... if we did we'd have to split it up into 4 or 5 sections and that's just too confusing... We have to keep it simple for our customers and the basic idea is that our major focus is on the routes and destinations, not the types of aircraft and cockpits... but we will throw some in here and there...


User currently offlineJustPlanes From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 886 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5296 times:

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 3):
There's a lot of Just Planes posts here. I agree with you EMA747. The new worldairroutes, although a great production company, does have an amateur feel to their style of fliming. I enjoyed more of their old videos like the Sabena series. And yes I do have to say that the A320/330 has been filmed to death. I hope they try other aircraft like Emb170/190/CRJ700/900/777/747 and also more Asian airlines in Japan or Taiwan or Hong Kong.

Hey AirWllie
Our switch from Flight in the Cockpit to World Air Routes allowed us to increase the number of airlines filmed from 10 to 180, they may have an amateur feel but that's how we have to shoot them these days... Sales are way up which says something too...

As far as aircraft like Emb170 and CRJ700... Yes people have been asking us about them... we did a CRJ-700... but an A320 sells 10x more dvds... we do have to pay the bills yet we will still release these other types in time...

Asian airlines don't open their cockpits so that's why you're not seeing us there too often...


User currently offlinePilotallen From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 656 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5243 times:

On the topic of ideas....I'm still a big fan of the videos and always have been...my one idea would be to add subtitles to what the pilots are saying...being from Maine and barely knowing english hahaha....it would be nice to fully understand what the pilots are trying to say. For example....the Silkways IL-76 was a great video...however the pilots were hard to understand....it wouldn't keep my from buying videos but would be kinda cool to have....oh well theres my two cents. Keep up the good work, and get more weird planes (russian stuff haha) thanks! -Josh


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User currently offlineJustPlanes From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 886 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5240 times:

Quoting Pilotallen (Reply 7):
On the topic of ideas....I'm still a big fan of the videos and always have been...my one idea would be to add subtitles to what the pilots are saying...being from Maine and barely knowing english hahaha....it would be nice to fully understand what the pilots are trying to say. For example....the Silkways IL-76 was a great video...however the pilots were hard to understand....it wouldn't keep my from buying videos but would be kinda cool to have....oh well theres my two cents. Keep up the good work, and get more weird planes (russian stuff haha) thanks! -Josh

Hi Pilotallen,
I think in a case like the IL-76 no one really understands what they are saying...  Smile


User currently offlinePilotallen From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 656 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5236 times:

I think in a case like the IL-76 no one really understands what they are saying



very true! The coarsair dvd was another tough one......Im shocked since maine has a huge french population but I was clueless haha...thanks!



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User currently offlineJustPlanes From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 886 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5197 times:

It's actually part of the charm of the series to get pilots from all corners of the world, some speak English well, some don't speak it at all... Try communicating with them in the cockpit during the filming... I think the best story that comes to mind was a Captain on Air Tahiti Nui... We were filming the Papeete to Tokyo run which is at least 12 hours long, so plenty of time to let him do a nice presentation... About an hour into the flight he started talking about the airline but just could not get his words right in English. He was nice enough to ask for a break so he could write it up and prepare properly and so an hour or 2 later we started again but it just didn't work, we were holding his papers in the air so he could read it but all there was in the cockpit was extreme laughing between the Captain and copilot... needless to say everyone had a great time, which you need to have when you're over the Pacific for so many hours... we cut the presentation down to a few minutes and you might be able to see it was seriously cut all over the place....
Anyway English won't keep us from flying those interesting routes because that's what the series is all about...  Smile


User currently offlineAirWillie6475 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5192 times:

That's interesting, I have to say the French pilots have a harder time explaining things. Like in the Air Austral video, the Captain on the 737 sector probably didn't speak a word of English outside the checklist flows.  Smile I would encourage more filiming in the UK or Canada, I really enjoyed the Jetmagic program. Also what about airlines in South Eastern Europe like Czech Airlines, or Macedonian airlines with their new CRJ900 fleet.

User currently offlineJustPlanes From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 886 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5179 times:

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 11):
That's interesting, I have to say the French pilots have a harder time explaining things. Like in the Air Austral video, the Captain on the 737 sector probably didn't speak a word of English outside the checklist flows.   I would encourage more filiming in the UK or Canada, I really enjoyed the Jetmagic program. Also what about airlines in South Eastern Europe like Czech Airlines, or Macedonian airlines with their new CRJ900 fleet.

The French pilots can be good + we sell a lot of dvds to French areas in the world so we have to continue...
Another very funny story comes to mind...
As you know all French airlines do their ATC communications in French but we always ask they do our flights in English and pretty much all of them agree to the big surprise of ATC...
Well one day we were departing Orly, bound for Reunion I believe on the Corsair 747... The crew had generously agreed to do communications in English... Well here is the tower talking French and the pilots in English so the tower switches to English... and out of nowhere this other French pilot on another plane says... if Napoleon would hear you, he would turn around in his grave...

Filming in the UK is as complicated as filming in the US... Not sure if you've seen the BWIA program but we were cleared for all cockpits with the exception of the takeoff and landing at Heathrow...
As far as Canada. We enjoy one of the best relations with the Canadian authorities and airlines. They are absolutely great. I believe you will several more programs from that area in the coming year...
Eastern Europe... We've done some stuff there, maybe we'll do more... who knows...


User currently offlineEMA747 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 1171 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 5162 times:

Quoting JustPlanes (Reply 12):
Well one day we were departing Orly, bound for Reunion I believe on the Corsair 747... The crew had generously agreed to do communications in English... Well here is the tower talking French and the pilots in English so the tower switches to English... and out of nowhere this other French pilot on another plane says... if Napoleon would hear you, he would turn around in his grave...

 rotfl 

Quoting JustPlanes (Reply 12):
Not sure if you've seen the BWIA program but we were cleared for all cockpits with the exception of the takeoff and landing at Heathrow...

I quite liked the simultanious shots of out front (but not showing the instruments if I remember correctly) and the wing view. It was something different. Also if I remember it was a fairly long descent that was included in the film, which I like. I dont like the ones where you see the top of descent or something and then the next shot we are fully established on finals, but I understand that sometimes this must be necessary due to time constraints for the film.

Quoting JustPlanes (Reply 12):
As far as Canada. We enjoy one of the best relations with the Canadian authorities and airlines. They are absolutely great. I believe you will several more programs from that area in the coming year..

Great news! Would really like an AC 763 and/or an AC 777 when they get them. Jazz also has some interesting routes that could make a good film.

Cheers

Andy S



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User currently offlineJustPlanes From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 886 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5154 times:

Quoting EMA747 (Reply 13):
Great news! Would really like an AC 763 and/or an AC 777 when they get them. Jazz also has some interesting routes that could make a good film.

I would not exactly count on either of those carriers to join... Jazz was cleared to join though and so were the pilots but some women in some office put her foot down... but the Westjet dvd has been extremely well received both by the public and by the airline and their pilots so I would not be surprised if we had back in their direction. They were great to work with!


User currently offlineEMA747 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 1171 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5151 times:

I will get the Westjet DVD when I can but it's proving a bit difficult to track one down in the UK!  Sad


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