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The Ultimately Difficult Plane Landing Contest  
User currently offlineSpeedbird747BA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 5121 times:

Alright, Im going to start another one of these, except this one will be better organized from the start, and will also be a lot harder.

Here are the rules:

1. No using autoland. A cockpit view must be submitted as well to ensure this rule is upheld.

2. The aircraft you use must be either a ERJ 145/140/135 or a CRJ 200/700. This rule cannot and will not be changed.

3. The landing must be made at SXM.

4. The wind should be coming from exactly due west, the landing should be made at night, during the 'heavy storm' weather scenario. As well, add fog, and put visibility at 1/2 mile. The wind should be at 35 knots.

5. Show the finals, touchdown, and a bit of your role out in the video.

6. Maximum of 2 videos submitted.


These will be graded on finals and touchdown smoothness.

Any questions?

Happy Landings!!

Cheers,
Kyle

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User currently offlineMarquis From Germany, joined Sep 2005, 274 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 5116 times:

That rules should make for some interesting and awesome videos. Just a question on the type of aircraft: I own the ERJ 135BJ Legacy from FeelThere, so is that one allowed in the contest?


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User currently offlineSpeedbird747BA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 5110 times:

Quoting Marquis (Reply 1):
I own the ERJ 135BJ Legacy

ERJ 135 is allowed, as it sayus in the starter.

Happy Landings!!

Cheers,
Kyle


User currently offlineMarquis From Germany, joined Sep 2005, 274 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 5106 times:

Quoting Speedbird747BA (Reply 2):
Quoting Marquis (Reply 1):
I own the ERJ 135BJ Legacy

ERJ 135 is allowed, as it sayus in the starter.

I wasn't quite sure about that as it is a business jet. It's better to be safe than sorry in the end.  Smile



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User currently offlineMidEx216 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 651 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 5104 times:

I would love to take part in this, but how do I get the video? What program can I use?


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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21555 posts, RR: 55
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 5086 times:

Quoting Speedbird747BA (Thread starter):
As well, add fog, and put visibility at 1/2 mile.

Which would put the airport below minimums (780ft ceiling and 4500m visibility). There's difficult, and then there's just downright unrealistic.

-Mir



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User currently offlineGBOAE From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 5080 times:

Quoting MidEx216 (Reply 4):
I would love to take part in this, but how do I get the video? What program can I use?

Use a program called fraps. Download from http://www.fraps.com/


User currently offlineSpeedbird747BA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 5069 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 5):
Which would put the airport below minimums (780ft ceiling and 4500m visibility). There's difficult, and then there's just downright unrealistic.

Unrealistic? Hardly. Ive landed with in the Swiss Alps with vis below that. Its quite possible, trust me.

Cheers,
Kyle


User currently offlineMidEx216 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 651 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 5064 times:

Quoting GBOAE (Reply 6):
Use a program called fraps

Going there now, thank you

Quoting Mir (Reply 5):
Which would put the airport below minimums (780ft ceiling and 4500m visibility). There's difficult, and then there's just downright unrealistic.

Just makes it more of a challenge. I'd much rather do this than just a boring, no wind, clear skies landing. Just wait for me to paint my plane, and my submission will be in Big grin



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21555 posts, RR: 55
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 5055 times:

Quoting Speedbird747BA (Reply 7):
Unrealistic? Hardly. Ive landed with in the Swiss Alps with vis below that. Its quite possible, trust me.

I'm not doubting that it's possible, but I think it would be more fun to have a challenge that wouldn't get your license revoked in an instant (if not killed)were you to try it in the real world. There are those types of approaches out there.

-Mir



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User currently offlineMidEx216 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 651 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 5041 times:

Uhh, my attempt yielded nothing to show; it was so dark, you could barely even see the lights on the plane.


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User currently offlineMarquis From Germany, joined Sep 2005, 274 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week ago) and read 4990 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 5):
Which would put the airport below minimums (780ft ceiling and 4500m visibility). There's difficult, and then there's just downright unrealistic.

-Mir

I thought about that, too last night. TCNM's RWY 9 is not ILS equipped so it is pretty hard to align with the centerline and to judge the right sinkrate in this low visibility.

Otherwise, there is a file on avsim.com which implements an ILS to TNCM via the AFCAD file. Here's the link: http://library.avsim.net/download.php?DLID=67989



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21555 posts, RR: 55
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4962 times:

Quoting Marquis (Reply 11):
TCNM's RWY 9 is not ILS equipped

TNCM isn't ILS-equipped at all, so you have to use the VOR approach to 9. Of course, since the wind is coming from the west, you'd have a tailwind (of at least 35 knots, according to the rules), and circling to 27 is not authorized.

Can one do it? Sure, in FS. But try it in real life and you'd have a lot of problems, and I'm not talking about the regulatory ones.

-Mir



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User currently offlineMarquis From Germany, joined Sep 2005, 274 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4948 times:

VOR/DME approach in these conditions? No way you will get down safely. Kyle, what about a better visibility?

Quoting Mir (Reply 12):
Can one do it? Sure, in FS. But try it in real life and you'd have a lot of problems, and I'm not talking about the regulatory ones.

You mean the landing on the 27 or the whole scenario with an RWY 9 VOR/DME approach?



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User currently offlineJamesbuk From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 3968 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4947 times:

Ah come on you wusses, just give it a couple of trys before you knock it!

Rgds --James--



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User currently offlineMarquis From Germany, joined Sep 2005, 274 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4944 times:

Well I tried it, but it is simply no fun to fly in almost 0 visibility. Although I really like crosswinds when landing. Solely purpose: "To separate the men from the boys."


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User currently offlineJamesbuk From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 3968 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4929 times:

Ok ive just spent 40 minutes trying to land, its effectively impossible. I've crashed into the hotel on one side, the bar on the other, etc etc.

Rgds --James--



You cant have your cake and eat it... What the hells the point in having it then!!!
User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21555 posts, RR: 55
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4899 times:

Quoting Jamesbuk (Reply 16):
Ok ive just spent 40 minutes trying to land, its effectively impossible. I've crashed into the hotel on one side, the bar on the other, etc etc.

Ready to knock it now?  Smile

I tried it, and flying the approach isn't too hard, even with the winds, but the visibility is the killer - there's just no way to fly a VOR approach to 1/2 mile visibility.

-Mir



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User currently offlineFLY2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4885 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 17):
there's just no way to fly a VOR approach to 1/2 mile visibility

I've never seen a VOR approach with less than 1 1/2 mi vis minima.

Although most ILS go down to 1/2 mi vis so doing the AFCAD mod would be a way around it...


User currently offlineCessna057 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 439 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4883 times:

Look guys. Its not impossible. I just put a greaser down the 2nd time I tried. Its not hard it can easily be done in FS. But I'm unsure as to how to get Fraps to record a video, can somebody please tell me how to use it?

[Edited 2007-01-19 02:46:09]


Hold it . . . Hold it . . . HOLD THE FREAKIN NOSE UP!!
User currently offlineSpeedbird747BA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4870 times:

OK, reconsidering vis, though now I think you are all wusses. Ill get one landed, and put it on here so you all can eat your words.  Wink Now, try 1.5 mile vis, and ill give you the added benefit of trying at dawn. But to increase the challeng, Ill up the wind to 45 knots. Essentially, you are landing in the carribean, at dawn, in the middle of a tropical storm.

Have fun, and Happy Landings!!

Cheers,
Kyle


User currently offlineAlaska737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1063 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4851 times:

Quoting Speedbird747BA (Reply 20):
OK, reconsidering vis, though now I think you are all wusses.

I want to see you make this landing. If you really want a challange, land the jet of your choice at Unalaska in a storm.


User currently offlineCessna057 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 439 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4845 times:

I'm sorry to bitch, but i CANNOT get fraps to work. I have the framerate counter up, its really glitchy, and whenever i press F9 it like turns red for a second and then turns back to yellow and doesnt record anything..


Hold it . . . Hold it . . . HOLD THE FREAKIN NOSE UP!!
User currently offlineSpeedbird747BA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4768 times:

Quoting Alaska737 (Reply 21):
I want to see you make this landing. If you really want a challange, land the jet of your choice at Unalaska in a storm.

Done. Ill do it tonight, and post it then pal.


Let me take this oppurtunity to thank all those that posted or will post in this or the last of these threads for making this a success. Thank You.

Happy Landings!!

Cheers,
Kyle


User currently offlineBAW076 From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2006, 750 posts, RR: 26
Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4718 times:

SXM is boring. You see and hear about it too much in the FS world.

Why not try landing at the old Hong Kong Airport (Kai Tak). Landing IGS Runway 13 with poor visibility etc?

Surely that is more of a challenge and probably much more satisfying when completed without any hitches than SXM!?!



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25 Post contains images LTU932 : Or how about a crosswind visual landing in FNC or hell, Lukla in Nepal, or even a Runway 25 visual approach into SJO (I have the procedure for the BE
26 ACDC8 : Kyle, Between the 2 threads you have started on Landing Contests, not once have we seen a video submitted by you, the "judge". Yet you claim to make a
27 AirWillie6475 : This would be suicide in real life. No plane would ever land there with these conditions.
28 AirWillie6475 : However I did try it because it is a simulator after all. After I broke out of the fog and saw lights, I was heading right toward the hotel on the lef
29 Post contains images Jamesbuk : I couldnt agree more! Rgds --James--
30 Post contains images Speedbird747BA : Done. Guys, settle down. This is just sim, and the only reason I even did this was for you guys to have a bit of fun. Seriously, lighten up (oxymoron
31 ACDC8 : As I said, I wasn't trying to critisize you, but I do feel your rules need to be a bit more consistent and realistic. Also, you're video's don't seem
32 Post contains images BAW076 : I can't see them either... Kinda strange that eh Patrick?!
33 Post contains images FlightShadow : Don't they usually shut down SXM during hurricanes? I flew out to SXM from SJU ... couldn't find the runway, said "skrew it," flew back to SJU and la
34 Post contains images CPH813 : Okay looks like i'm the first (second of Kyles' videos work) How hard can it be??
35 Speedbird747BA : Hmmmm...... How do I get the videos to show up? Im sorry, but Im completely ignorant here. When I submitted to youtue, they uploaded but then failed t
36 Post contains images ACDC8 : Wish I could help you on that one, but I don't have that much experience with youtube. Also, you might want to change the time of day on your rules,
37 Speedbird747BA : You can see it all in my vid, but whatever. Cheers, Kyle
38 ACDC8 : Not trying to dis you, just want your thread to be succsessful with a few tips. Patrick
39 BAW076 : There isn't one. The rules are too stupid.
40 Post contains images Speedbird747BA : Yeah, I know. No hard feelings! Cheers, Kyle
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