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User currently offlineChristopherwoo From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 157 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4237 times:

Hey everyone. I've just joined Airliners.net and i wanted to know something. I'm 18 and since i was 5 i've been playing on flight sims. Taught myself everything from basic navigation to now, the full 737 cockpit including the fmc bla bla bla. What i wanted to know is are my flying skills good for my age? I'm wanting to apply for the pilot schools before long and I want to know if im just average or above average or even, hopefully not, below. Please take a look at the following videos and let me know what you think!


This is the first one, Nice weather, not difficult to land in. No autopilot or autothrottle used.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIX0WgnVW8w

Another view...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpPY1wRmi7o

And another outside view...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4kCfYNT0GI


The next two videos are in Much worse conditions, a 34 mph crosswind with gusts up to 37 mph. Bad turbulence all the way down to ground. The winds are steep and its heavy blizzards aswell which reduces visibility.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePtw_usBJhU


And the outside view....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOxcR0cJjHc


Let me know what you think of all the vids!!

Thanks in advance

Chris

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User currently offlineAjd1992 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4237 times:

Being an FS pilot is much different to flying a C172 or a B737, FS is actually more difficult (I've flown a C172, it was easy  Silly) teaching yourself the IFR, FMC, VOR stuff will probably come in handy, however, the actual flying experience probably won't an awful lot.

User currently offlineChristopherwoo From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4224 times:

i dunno, i was talking to a few pilots that i work with (im an F/A at the mo) and quite a lot of them used flightsim to brush up on things. Pilot on the 737 said the PMDG is really quite realistic!

User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9497 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4221 times:

I'm not much of a Flight Simulator person, but that crosswind landing looked pretty good and impressive.

I personally find flying a Cessna 172 in real life easier than on flight simulator. But as most pilots would say, flying the plane is not the hard part about being the pilot. It's the million other things you have to know how to do. Flight simulator is great practice, but its no comparison to the thrill and adrenaline you get the first time you fully stall an airplane. Flight sim is an excellent thing to have fun at, but flying is a step up.

Flight sim doesn't make you multi task like when you are flying a Cessna by yourself while dealing with a crosswind landing at a busy airport, monitoring ATC and trying to squeeze your callsign in among a mess of other requests all the while your passenger is throwing up right next to you. You still have to be on top of your game and be watching in case a student pilot accidentally crosses your runway which forces you to do a go around.

Anyone can land a plane.
Some people can land a plane well.
Only a few people can be a real pilot.



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User currently offlineJamesbuk From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 3968 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4202 times:

Quoting Christopherwoo (Reply 2):
Pilot on the 737 said the PMDG is really quite realistic!

Yeh the systems are realistic, the feel is nothing like it.
I fly a Cessna in real life, and the flight simulator isnt even comparable to real life, its so unrealistic. The only thing flight simulator is good for in the real world is improving your instrument scan. You are a good FS lander, but it doesnt mean you'll be good straight off, it takes practice.

Rgds --James--



You cant have your cake and eat it... What the hells the point in having it then!!!
User currently offlineRyanair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4192 times:

Landing the PMDG 737 is a piece of cake!  Wink

I would personally not spend as much time on the sim, you can easily get into bad habits quickly as when you get into your Cessna/Piper in real life you'll be constantly gazing at the instruments rather than looking outside the window because you’re staring at them in FS all the time. This is a bad habit in PPL flying, don't get into it! If you have been flying in FS for a while you may pick up things quicker than someone who hasn't, although whether you'll be a better pilot because of your competency in FS is not interiorly the reality.

Quoting Christopherwoo (Reply 2):
Pilot on the 737 said the PMDG is really quite realistic!

The application and operation of the systems are, but the overall flying sensation isn't there at all.

Quoting Jamesbuk (Reply 4):
You are a good FS lander, but it doesnt mean you'll be good straight off, it takes practice.

Yeah it certainly does I can vouch for that. The PA-38 is a bitch to land!

737


User currently offline113312 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 569 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4138 times:

Your crosswind landing, in the rain storm, looked pretty much as it would in actual conditions. However, you were too low on the glide path the whole way in. To the left of the runway were PAPI lights. They all showed RED which means TOO LOW.

User currently offlineCptSpeaking From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 639 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4138 times:

Quoting Ryanair737 (Reply 5):

I would personally not spend as much time on the sim, you can easily get into bad habits quickly as when you get into your Cessna/Piper in real life you'll be constantly gazing at the instruments rather than looking outside the window because you’re staring at them in FS all the time.

Haha...yeah I was one of those and now that I'm teaching, I have to smack my students when they stare inside as a habit from flightsim biggrin 

As others have said, the videos look great. You obviously have a good base knowledge of how and why airplanes fly. The landings are excellent, but as others have said also, flightsim isn't the real thing. I know ATPs that can't land the 172 in fs right-side up. I also know people that haven't the slightest interest or previous experience that can grease the default jets on without any coaching at all.

Flightsim is great fun and is a wonderful tool to learn instrument procedures, but it won't help you much beyond that. The real thing has a feel to it that you just can't get from a 17" monitor that stays in the same place. The fact that you've got all the systems set up and can properly fly an instrument approach (at least the final portion that we can see...not to say you can't do the whole thing...) shows that you're interested enough to have the motivation to study what you need to during training. The motivation is quite possibly the most important part of learning to fly. You can have all the natural talent in the world, but if you're not motivated to learn and perfect your skills, that talent does you no good.

Probably the best thing you can do to see if aviation is good for you is to go out to your local airport and take a discovery or introductory flight "lesson". This will give you a sense for what the training is going to be like and how the real thing looks, feels, and sounds.

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One more thing that is a pet peeve of mine as a CFI is how students base the quality of the entire training flight on the smoothness of the last landing of the day. This isn't to get on your case about posting landing videos...just something that came to my mind as I read...  Smile Great landings can definitely boost confidence, but there is a whole lot more to learning to fly an airplane safely, smoothly and efficiently than just landing well, and most times the rest of the lesson seems to be secondary to the quality of the landings.
/rant

Your CptSpeaking  wave 



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User currently offlineChristopherwoo From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4137 times:

Quoting 113312 (Reply 6):
Your crosswind landing, in the rain storm, looked pretty much as it would in actual conditions. However, you were too low on the glide path the whole way in. To the left of the runway were PAPI lights. They all showed RED which means TOO LOW.

Lol infact, if you know anything about flying you will know that below 200 ft the papi become unreliable, i was infact aiming for the 1000ft marker but when i kicked off on the rudder the plane fell down a bit. When i went under the papi guidelines i was under 200 ft. Nothing drastic. Is it me or does that video look quite realistic scenery wise? I know its just because its bad quality but still!


User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7086 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4130 times:

Nice stable approaches.

One thing I can say though, just because you can play FS well, does not mean you can slip onto a real plane with ease. A common misconception which I have heard from many. Thats how alot of people get stuck, getting into a real a/c and thinking they know everything because of FS.

Not using anyone here as an example or not implying anything. Am just saying not to make that mistake.


User currently offline777-200 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 1020 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4074 times:

One the first one you were in ground effect for wayyyy to long..

getthat sumbitch on the ground



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User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3500 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4060 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 3):
I personally find flying a Cessna 172 in real life easier than on flight simulator.

Really? I can land pretty much any a/c in FS9 after a dozen beers on a Friday night...I like my prospects for a PPL.  Wink



Next Flight: 9/17 BFI-BFI
User currently offlineChristopherwoo From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4057 times:

Quoting 777-200 (Reply 10):
One the first one you were in ground effect for wayyyy to long..

Yeah i know what you mean, i was about a cm off the ground for ages!!

Quoting Jamesbuk (Reply 4):
fly a Cessna in real life, and the flight simulator isnt even comparable to real life, its so unrealistic

I had my first trial flying lesson recently and i actually found flying the cessna really really easy. I don't want to sound arrogant and it was hardly bad weather i was flying in. But i didn't find it too hard at all. One of the things Fs does teach you is multitasking. Since you don't have a co-pilot. The other thing is perception. I know its not reality, but when i was lining up for the approach into shoreham in the real cessna i automaticly increased my bank angle and reduced it depending on where i thought the aircraft would be positioned when i became straight with the runway. Thats something i swear fs has taughed me!


User currently offlineCessna057 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 439 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4011 times:

Yeah flying props in real life are much easier. Once you get into flying larger planes though that scenario is flipped. Ill upload a few cool videos i took of come landings and takeoffs put them on here and you guys can judge mine.  Smile


Hold it . . . Hold it . . . HOLD THE FREAKIN NOSE UP!!
User currently offlineJamesbuk From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 3968 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3998 times:

Quoting Christopherwoo (Reply 12):

Yep it is easier, a hell of alot, in real life my Approaches are alot more stable, cant say the same for my landings  Wink but yeh its easier, in Fs the aircraft are to like overreactive and nothing will ever match the real feeling.

Rgds --James--



You cant have your cake and eat it... What the hells the point in having it then!!!
User currently offlineCessna057 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 439 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3987 times:

Landing somewhere in Jersey....I think princeton




Hold it . . . Hold it . . . HOLD THE FREAKIN NOSE UP!!
User currently offlineLYRFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3937 times:

Quoting Christopherwoo (Reply 12):

Yeah i know what you mean, i was about a cm off the ground for ages!!

 checkmark 

Otherwise a good landing, but landing on the right spot on the runway is important for it to be a good landing as well. So I'd say you still have something to work on  Smile

Keep up the work!


User currently offlineJamesbuk From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 3968 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3931 times:

Quoting LYRFlyer (Reply 16):

Yeh absoloutely, I'd much rather land safely near the touchdown zone, maybe rather hard/firm, than half way down the runway and soft. Im sure many would agree. Maybe a different choice in flap settings would be a good idea to reduce the float

Quoting Christopherwoo (Reply 12):
Thats something i swear fs has taughed me!

Hmmm, the only thing I can think it will teach you is a scan, so going through the T instruments (if you are in an older cockpit) and then outside, around the aircraft, and your checklists, like Bumfelch (Brakes, Undercarriage Mixture, Fuel, Engine(s) Landing light, Clearence, Height) and others.

Rgds --James--



You cant have your cake and eat it... What the hells the point in having it then!!!
User currently offlineLYRFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3929 times:

Quoting Jamesbuk (Reply 17):

Yeh absoloutely, I'd much rather land safely near the touchdown zone, maybe rather hard/firm, than half way down the runway and soft. Im sure many would agree. Maybe a different choice in flap settings would be a good idea to reduce the float

Yeah I agree!
Everyone can land softly with enough runway.. the challenging part is to touch down at the right spot, also so you have enough room to brake in emergency situations as well

[Edited 2007-01-25 23:31:33]

User currently offlineCptSpeaking From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 639 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3835 times:

Quoting Jamesbuk (Reply 17):
I'd much rather land safely near the touchdown zone, maybe rather hard/firm, than half way down the runway and soft. Im sure many would agree. Maybe a different choice in flap settings would be a good idea to reduce the float

It depends on the situation, i.e. how much runway is available and whether you have passengers to satisfy or not. Also to consider is where on the airport you are going.

If I'm carrying passengers and am landing on a 10,000 foot runway, I'm not going to force the airplane down near the touchdown zone. Also, if the FBO is at the far end of the runway, why land hard and get off soon, only to have to taxi the whole length of the runway. A 172 can easily be stopped in 1000 feet, and there aren't many airports you'd regularly be going to with runways less than 3000.

It also comes back to your approach and roundout techniques. A good approach is the key to a good landing, and if you are landing properly, you shouldn't have to force it down. Also, varying the flaps will do you no good. The purpose of flaps is to descend at a higher angle without increasing your airspeed. With less flaps, your descent angle will be less and you'll land further down the runway anyway. Also, if you're not familiar with no-flap landings, and you try to flare just as you do with flaps, then you'll float even further. It's just a lose-lose situation, so the best option is to plan a good approach in the first place.

Your CptSpeaking  wave 



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