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Topic: Airside Tours At Sydney...photography Banned!
Username: CallMeCapt
Posted 2005-05-16 04:27:23 and read 3584 times.

Just got word that the "Airside Tarmac Tours" at Sydney Airport has now banned photography as ordered to them by Airservices Australia.
This is getting beyond a joke now. My guess is, in the next few years, all photography will be banned in and around airports. I didn't know cameras were considered such dangerous objects capable of committing such mass destruction.

Topic: RE: Airside Tours At Sydney...photography Banned!
Username: StealthZ
Posted 2005-05-16 04:46:53 and read 3569 times.

This may be a reaction to the "baggage handlers" issue, Airside tours would be a good way for reporters etc to get "inside the fence"

I wouldn't panic yet, photography is banned inside many workplaces and airside at any airport is a workplace.

Regards

Chris

Topic: RE: Airside Tours At Sydney...photography Banned!
Username: CallMeCapt
Posted 2005-05-16 04:57:31 and read 3560 times.

So bottom line, because of a few idiot baggage handlers who take bribes for transporting drugs, we suffer.
Justice, gotta love it.

Topic: RE: Airside Tours At Sydney...photography Banned!
Username: JumboJim747
Posted 2005-05-16 06:54:52 and read 3528 times.

Hey groan i got your email .
If this is what Chris said is only in relation to the baggage handlers then fine it should be back to normal soon.
But if its not and its going to remain like this forever you can tell them im not going on any further tours also.

Quoting CallMeCapt (Reply 2):
Justice, gotto love it.

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It is getting a bit beyond the joke the way we are treated this paranoia has to come to an end sometime.

Topic: RE: Airside Tours At Sydney...photography Banned!
Username: AJ
Posted 2005-05-16 07:41:58 and read 3516 times.

Airservices Australia has had nothing to do with it, it is the Sydney Airport Corporation (SACL).

Topic: RE: Airside Tours At Sydney...photography Banned!
Username: CallMeCapt
Posted 2005-05-16 08:07:57 and read 3503 times.

Sorry, my mistake, you're right AJ.
Just got the email confirming that.
Still kinda sux though.

Topic: RE: Airside Tours At Sydney...photography Banned!
Username: Ryan h
Posted 2005-05-16 13:24:35 and read 3430 times.

I think this is rediculous. It will impact Airside Tarmac Tours. I hope they don't go broke.

Topic: RE: Airside Tours At Sydney...photography Banned!
Username: CallMeCapt
Posted 2005-05-16 14:36:19 and read 3399 times.

Not a question of hoping they don't go broke. If SACL hold their ground, ATT WILL go broke. I'm going to draft a letter to SACL and will do so every week until they respond with a positive answer.
And believe me, I'm prepared to keep the letters going for as long as I have to.
On that note, if I were a photographer in the states, wherever that T4 terminal is, I would do the very same thing there.
I'm sick of standing back and letting them do these things with absolutely no justification of their actions whatsoever.
That reason they put, what was it, not being allowed to take photos because you can record where the planes are parking...that is just plain ludicrous!!
I can tell you right now, if a security officer told me to erase any photos, I'd tell him where to go while shoving the CF card down the rear end of my underwear.
Ok, I feel a bit better now.
 Angry  Angry

Topic: RE: Airside Tours At Sydney...photography Banned!
Username: StealthZ
Posted 2005-05-16 14:59:12 and read 3380 times.

Would I be out of place suggesting a measure of temperance here.
Airside security, especially at SYD, is a sensitive topic right now.
Placing too many demands on SACL may cause a kneejerk reaction that results in a loss of some or all of the access spotters and photographers currently enjoy.
Would be a shame to see the observation deck at the International Terminal or the "Tower Mound" denied to us!

I suspect that SACL has decided AirSide Tours is a possible security risk and are trying to force them out.
With all the crap and media attention right now about baggage handlers and general security lapses at SYD making a huge fuss will not be received well.

Regards

Chris

Topic: RE: Airside Tours At Sydney...photography Banned!
Username: CallMeCapt
Posted 2005-05-16 15:30:21 and read 3366 times.

Let me set the scene for you.
Not attacking you Chris, just want to describe what goes on at Airside tours.
First, you park your car at the environment office where ATT is located. Then, pay your money, show your ID (for security reasons. Even I had to show my ID each time I went even though Tonia knew who I was) then board the bus. The bus drives to the Domestic terminal where the passengers disembark to go through a security screening via metal detectors and randomly checked for explosives while placing all our belongings on the x ray conveyor belt. All items resembling a sharp object are confiscated and not returned so we are warned to leave such items at the office before we get on the bus. While we are getting screened, the bus goes through a security screening as well where 1 or 2 security personnel thoroughly comb the bus inside and out which can take as long as 5-10 minutes. Then the bus pulls up at the tarmac side of the gate and we all get on. At no time are the passengers or the driver permitted to get off the bus while the bus is on the tarmac. (Tonia, the driver, has said she can't even get tower or ramp access and alan and myself joked about Sam being above her as he can get those clearances, yet she works there. Still love your work Sam.) I have seen on each ocassion I go on the tour, no less than 4 airport security cars driving around the field.
Now, my point, if a tour bus with approximately 30 to 40 people are allowed to take a tour around the airport under these conditions, what harm could a camera possibly cause? A reporter with a good telephoto lens can get any shot he wants of the baggae handlers so I doubt that was the reason.
Tonia, bless her, has emailed me and told me she, and her business partner are going to start having several meetings with SACL about this and will do whatever she can to get this decision overturned, but, not to hold my breath as it doesn't look like it will be resolved in the near future. Unfortunately, Alan and myself won't be going on these tours anymore as we only go for the photo ops.
SACL has not told Airside tours to leave or minimise business. They only told them not to allow cameras on the tour anymore.
As for the observation deck and the mound and the several other spotting locations around the airport, do you really think they will be available for much longer? Sydney had an observation deck years ago and they closed it down. I remember taking a few photos at the mound with Alan one morning and a police car came around, did a small lap and left.
Perhaps, if airport security were doing what they are paid to be doing, none of this would be necessary.

[Edited 2005-05-16 15:31:51]

[Edited 2005-05-16 15:33:13]

Topic: RE: Airside Tours At Sydney...photography Banned!
Username: ScarletHarlot
Posted 2005-05-17 01:06:35 and read 3274 times.

Oh no...no photos? That was one of the best things about the tour when we did it in February. Mr. Harlot took a TON of photos. We also did the Rex sightseeing flight and it would have been very disappointing not to have photos from that.

Next time any of you guys see Tonia please tell her her friends from Seattle say hello.

Topic: RE: Airside Tours At Sydney...photography Banned!
Username: JumboJim747
Posted 2005-05-17 12:11:06 and read 3211 times.

Quoting CallMeCapt (Reply 7):
I can tell you right now, if a security officer told me to erase any photos, I'd tell him where to go while shoving the CF card down the rear end of my underwear.

Haha that is funny Goran hey but by doing that i think you would put yourself in more trouble then you started with he might be that sort he might dive in and get it  Smile

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 8):
Would be a shame to see the observation deck at the International Terminal or the "Tower Mound" denied to us!

Chris i have a feeling it wont be long before they are closed the way things are going .
If they keep closing locations down and they dont hear from no one they might think its ok .
But when they hear from people who genuinly care about these locations they might say (hold on we might be stepping on a few too many toes here)

Topic: RE: Airside Tours At Sydney...photography Banned!
Username: CallMeCapt
Posted 2005-05-17 12:40:22 and read 3213 times.

Quoting JumboJim747 (Reply 11):
Chris i have a feeling it wont be long before they are closed the way things are going .
If they keep closing locations down and they dont hear from no one they might think its ok .
But when they hear from people who genuinly care about these locations they might say (hold on we might be stepping on a few too many toes here)

I might email them a civilised but firm question asking if they plan on closing any more locations and requesting that they leave all other locations available to us. Having said that, maybe they should conduct some kind of security screening for photographers, amateur or professional and issuing some kind of id that can be flashed to any airport security.
Just a thought


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