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Topic: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: Administrator
Posted 2005-08-19 02:58:28 and read 21310 times.

Hello photographers,

A lot of you have expressed concern that your photos uploaded in high quality to Airliners.net can be be used commercially without your permission. Many voices have been raised that a feature should be added where a photographer can choose to include a visible watermark in his photos to deter misuse:
Watermarks....protecting Our Images Against Theft (by AKE0404AR Jun 2 2005 in Aviation Photography)

This feature has now been implemented. My personal opinion is that the loss is often bigger than the gain when it comes to watermarks. Hundreds of thousands of people visit Airliners.net to enjoy the photos and all these have to endure a watermark. While it might prevent theft, misuse is relatively rare. Most companies choose to contact the photographer for permission even if there is no watermark.

I still chose to add this feature as I hope photographers that have not dared to upload to us in the past for fears of misuse will now choose to upload. I therefore hope that the overall effect is positive.

Please note that First Class Members will still have access to the photos without a watermark.

Please have a look at the new feature and let me know what you think:
http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/add.main

Thanks,
Johan

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: PipoA380
Posted 2005-08-19 03:08:47 and read 21286 times.

Johan,

Is there any way we could see an example of how it would look like? And why the privilege of the "no watermark" not for all membrers?

How many photographs would put it on theirs? Of course it's rageing to see our pics being stolen, but looking at pics will maybe no longer be as cool...

Quoting Administrator (Thread starter):
My personal opinion is that the loss is often bigger than the gain when it comes to watermarks.

I totally agree!

Cheers, Philippe

[Edited 2005-08-19 03:10:23]

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: Fly747
Posted 2005-08-19 03:14:49 and read 21264 times.

Johan,

I think this is a good move. I especially like the idea of picking your own spot and strength of the watermark and as well the idea that the photog can decide if he wants to apply it.

Ivan

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: Photopilot
Posted 2005-08-19 03:16:43 and read 21257 times.

I agree that I'd like to see a sample image first.

I notice that the darkness of the watermark can also be varied.

Can you prepare a sample image with light, medium, strong, very strong watermarks so we get an idea what we're doing.

Also, what happens to all the existing photos in the DB if we decide we want a watermark? Do we have to re-submit and reupload every one of our images?

thanks

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: Q330
Posted 2005-08-19 03:27:11 and read 21242 times.

Quoting Photopilot (Reply 3):
Also, what happens to all the existing photos in the DB if we decide we want a watermark? Do we have to re-submit and reupload every one of our images?

I assume that, just like changing the copyright bar when you change your photographer name, you'll have to reupload all your photos.

I'm not really looking forward to seeing watermarks on photos here, but at least it's optional.

-Q

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: Administrator
Posted 2005-08-19 03:30:51 and read 21235 times.

Quoting Photopilot (Reply 3):
I'd like to see a sample image first.

You can test it on any image in the database here:
http://www.airliners.net/static/delme.php

Regards,
Johan

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: Eksath
Posted 2005-08-19 03:31:32 and read 21233 times.

Johan.

Thank you.


Suresh

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: PipoA380
Posted 2005-08-19 03:33:54 and read 21228 times.

Thanks Johan. Even though it does not make too much difference if it's light, I'd really like to see the possibility to see it without to all members...

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: Olympus69
Posted 2005-08-19 03:45:18 and read 21205 times.

Why could you not have an airliners.net watermark that appears on all photos, but only when the photo is downloaded?

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: A346Dude
Posted 2005-08-19 03:48:49 and read 21203 times.

Ugh, disappointed.  

I really hope the majority of photographers decide not to use this "feature". I know I won't.

Thanks for at least making it optional.

A346Dude

[Edited 2005-08-19 03:50:32]

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: StealthZ
Posted 2005-08-19 03:52:17 and read 21194 times.

mmm,

Not convinced on this one, I agree with Johan I am not sure the gain is worth it...
I find it incongruous that a site with uncompromising standards on quality, near invisible dustspots, and motiv can support the vandalising of images with blatant watermarks.(and I mean some of the contributors rather than the management)
Sure there are photographers that have had pictures misappropriated, some of those have been compensated afterwards(a sale they would NOT have made). It is likely that many of the photographers here that are vocal about illegal use of their work would not have any sales at all if it were not for the exposure on A.net.
There is also the possibility the sites that really "steal" photos will continue to do so.

It is the high quality of images on A.net that keeps people coming back.. I think if a large percentage of contributors utilise the watermark option many of those will not return.

Having said that... like the comments thing, lets give it a try(although the comments issue does not impact the quality of the db)

Regards

Chris

[Edited 2005-08-19 03:55:28]

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: Photopilot
Posted 2005-08-19 04:40:24 and read 21156 times.

Well I've tried it and have this suggestion.

Have the thumbnail state which images are watermarked prior to having to open the image. Then I won't be wasting my time looking at images that are ugly.

thanks

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: JeffM
Posted 2005-08-19 04:41:11 and read 21155 times.

Quoting Administrator (Thread starter):
Please note that First Class Members will still have access to the photos without a watermark.

What does paying for a first class membership to get a username and post in the forums have to do with viewing the image without a watermark?

Can we add that same watermark to the original image prior to uploading? So it is on all versions viewed, either by non-members or first class members?

Is there a method to add this to all of our privious photos?

[Edited 2005-08-19 04:42:02]

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: A346Dude
Posted 2005-08-19 04:45:19 and read 21141 times.

Quoting Photopilot (Reply 11):
Have the thumbnail state which images are watermarked prior to having to open the image. Then I won't be wasting my time looking at images that are ugly.

Agreed. Is this possible, Johan?

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: JeffM
Posted 2005-08-19 04:49:05 and read 21137 times.

Quoting A346Dude (Reply 13):
Is this possible, Johan?

Dude, read his first post......... Wink Can't get much clearer.

Quoting Administrator (Thread starter):
Please note that First Class Members will still have access to the photos without a watermark.

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: Knighty
Posted 2005-08-19 05:23:55 and read 21109 times.

Absolutely 100% against this - I've just tried that sample page and they look horrible!

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: United737522
Posted 2005-08-19 06:30:44 and read 21064 times.

No, this is just another step in the wrong direction for airliners.

Oh boo hoo. Some flight simmer made a banner out of my photo. Oh no, my photo is on a site that provides info about aircraft. All without my permission. Oh the world is going to end!

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: Q330
Posted 2005-08-19 06:34:05 and read 21060 times.

Quoting JeffM (Reply 12):
What does paying for a first class membership to get a username and post in the forums have to do with viewing the image without a watermark?

I assume it's mostly to create another benefit for first class membership. It's probably pretty safe too, since I wouldn't expect someone who's paying for A.net membership to be stealing photos.

After looking at the samples, I'm not happy with this feature. It really isn't nice to have big watermarks across photos. Even the lightest ones are distracting.

-Q

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: An-225
Posted 2005-08-19 06:36:19 and read 21059 times.

I don't think it's a right step. Images are ruined.

Alex.

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: Rotate
Posted 2005-08-19 08:17:04 and read 21005 times.

I really dont like it, because the watermarks are way too big, they ruin defintely the photo, even in light.
why cant people choose on their own, if they put their "own" small watermark on their shot? then will are also getting rid of that discussion with the 1st class memebership?

get me?

Robin

[Edited 2005-08-19 08:18:00]

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: Willo
Posted 2005-08-19 08:50:44 and read 20980 times.

Quoting A346Dude (Reply 9):
I really hope the majority of photographers decide not to use this "feature". I know I won't.

Which means you will have to sign up for first class membership  Sad

This move is a success for the vocal minority that use the site to conduct their business. It is a shame that it has been foisted on the rest of us who are pure hobbyists.

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: Ghostbase
Posted 2005-08-19 09:15:41 and read 20966 times.

Yuck! How could any so-called 'photographer' be prepared to showcase his/her work here with watermarks like these splashed across them? Where is the logic in doing that?

As I said on the previous thread, realistically just *how* many photos are stolen? It is a very small proportion indeed and this is a classic case of degrading the high standards of quality for 99% of honest A.Net viewers in order to put off the 1% who are less scupulous.

At least it is optional I suppose...

 ghost 

PS: I have had 2 images 'misused' out of 1099 in the database so I make that an 0.182% dishonesty ratio  Smile

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: Erwin972
Posted 2005-08-19 09:39:39 and read 20948 times.

Johan, All,

Great function. Glad it is optional. A few people will be happy now. But I choose not to use it.  Smile

I want visitors to enjoy my photography! That's my motivation for uploading in the first place.



Kind regards,
Erwin

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: JetTrader
Posted 2005-08-19 10:14:25 and read 20925 times.

Quoting Willo (Reply 20):
Quoting A346Dude (Reply 9):
I really hope the majority of photographers decide not to use this "feature". I know I won't.

Which means you will have to sign up for first class membership

Not quite sure this is true.

As I interpret it, he is saying that as a photographer he will select the "no watermark" option when he uploads...as will I.

Then our shots will not be watermarked whoever is viewing them.

I think that's right...  Smile

Cheers,
Dean / JT

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: StealthZ
Posted 2005-08-19 10:24:21 and read 20914 times.

Not a huge amount of support for this option!!

A vocal minority have requested it and it happened.
At least it is optional, perhaps an alternative would be to let the minority use their own watermark, with easy to implement guidelines. I accept this would place extra load on the screeners.(a very bad thing!!)

Perhaps another alternative is for the minority that use A.net as a way of running their business to find another way of gaining the free exposure gained via A.nets huge audience. I venture to suggest any alternative method of gaining that exposure will cost significantly more than the few "stolen" images.(and likely still result in "stolen" images)

I accept that it is the photographers and their work that "makes" A.net but I feel some may be biting the hand that feeds them.

Regards

Chris

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: INNflight
Posted 2005-08-19 10:35:17 and read 20902 times.

I do not understand why all of you guys are so upset about this feature?! The thread Johan linked in the 1st posting explains everything why it was implemented.

Again, it's optional, so no reason to whine around here if you don't like it! Just don't use it.

Some photographers want their photos be protected against theft, I see nothing wrong with that! Glad it's done now.

I won't use it, though.

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: Willo
Posted 2005-08-19 10:50:06 and read 20889 times.

Quoting JetTrader (Reply 23):
he is saying that as a photographer he will select the "no watermark" option when he uploads...as will I.

My apologies, wrong interpretation of the original post! Having just checked the upload page I see that the watermark option is available to all photographers and not just first class members. A346 and I will have to upgrade our membership to view pictures without the watermark. My other comment still stands.

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: Gary2880
Posted 2005-08-19 10:58:20 and read 20879 times.

I've said this before hopefully someone will agree with me this time

instead of hiding the photograph usage in the 'about' section where if someone steals a photograph they come out with 'oh well I just didn't look there'

put a clear message between the photograph and the photocomment on the large/medium photographs or at the very top just above the photograph so the viewer see's it as soon as they open the page that states

''this photograph is copyrighted to XXXXX you may not use this without permission in doing so this will result in legal action, please contact the photographer to gain permission''

or whatever I'm not a lawyer. That way everyone knows exactly what they are getting into if they have plans on stealing without having to ruin our photographs.

if you can have watermarks as an option i think it would be nice to have that as an option aswell

I would rather have that between the photograph and comment rather than the rating and voting system as its getting cluttered it would be better if they were under the photographers comment box

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: LHRsunriser
Posted 2005-08-19 11:23:48 and read 20860 times.

Yuck Yuck Yuck. Well Done in the effort Johan. But we have the option those who want it have it those that dont dont. I wont be having it.

Cheers Dom - Capital Aviation Photography

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: LGW
Posted 2005-08-19 13:01:18 and read 20806 times.

Gary,

"put a clear message between the photograph and the photocomment on the large/medium photographs "

"That way everyone knows exactly what they are getting into if they have plans on stealing without having to ruin our photographs"


It is naive to think these people don't know the rules and what they are getting into, they all know what they are doing and the consequences, they just don't give it a second thought as they assume they will never be caught.

The use of peer-2-peer free mp3 downloads is a good analogy; everyone knows it is illegal, wrong and the consequences but most people believe they will never get caught to therefore just do it anyway.

Johan has provided us with a useful tool, it is now down to personal preference whether or not to implement it; the way life should be, give people choice and the power to make their own decisions and let them get on with it.

I personally will not be using the new feature, but, if I get a photo stolen and used without permission from now on then I know that it is partly down to me as I chose not to make use of a feature which exists.

Cheers

Ben Pritchard

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: A346Dude
Posted 2005-08-19 13:29:56 and read 20784 times.

Quoting JetTrader (Reply 23):
As I interpret it, he is saying that as a photographer he will select the "no watermark" option when he uploads...as will I.

That is correct. Sorry for any confusion.

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: A346Dude
Posted 2005-08-19 13:54:42 and read 20763 times.

Quoting JeffM (Reply 14):
Dude, read his first post......... Can't get much clearer.

Jeff, I have no idea what you're talking about. Johan's original post stated First Class members would still have access to the non-watermarked images. I asked if Photopilot's idea that watermarked images would be differentiated from non-watermarked images, for example some sort of recognizable symbol that could be seen as one surfs the database, could be implemented.

Two very different things.

A346Dude

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: Granite
Posted 2005-08-19 14:02:45 and read 20756 times.

Hi all

Words of wisdom from Ben P.

Regards

Gary

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: Flyfisher1976
Posted 2005-08-19 14:35:10 and read 20725 times.

Quoting United737522 (Reply 16):
Some flight simmer made a banner out of my photo. Oh no, my photo is on a site that provides info about aircraft. All without my permission. Oh the world is going to end!

Well maybe the world won't end, but I for one would be extremely aggrevated if any of my photos were used in any way without my permission. I don't work for free, and if any of my hobbies turn into something that might bring me money or recognition, I sure as hell would want to take full advantage of this. I have spent a lot of money and time getting the photos that i have accepted to the database...my photos aren't for free!!

I think the watermarks are a great idea...if you don't like it, don't use it!

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: Gary2880
Posted 2005-08-19 14:38:26 and read 20723 times.

Quoting LGW (Reply 29):
It is naive to think these people don't know the rules and what they are getting into, they all know what they are doing and the consequences, they just don't give it a second thought as they assume they will never be caught.

they will still try and say 'oh sorry I didn't know, I didn't go to that bit' with it buried in the About section

with the words legal action staring them in the face maybe they will give it a second thought.

Would just be something more than nothing if we choose to opt out of the watermark

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: TS
Posted 2005-08-19 15:00:03 and read 20701 times.

Disappointing to see this ugly feature implemtented just because a dozen out of several thousands of photographers requested it.

I hope any photo with a watermark gets clearly marked on the photo results page so that visitors see what they will click on. An option to exclude watermarked photos from the search page would also be very helpful.

Thomas

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: StealthZ
Posted 2005-08-19 15:10:09 and read 20687 times.

Thomas,

An interesting concept... I wonder if some of those that insisted on watermarks would be so happy if they were excluded from searches etc!

As it's an option.. we will see what the take up is!!

cheers

Chris

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: Tappan
Posted 2005-08-19 15:15:56 and read 20682 times.

United737522 calls a plumber to his house and says thanks for fixing my toilet good day. Well, says the plumber:"Do I get paid" no says United737522, I don't pay. Mor did I pay my electrician...

I FIND IT AMAZING that United737522 lists his occupation as a photographer. How do you $urvive without charging your customers.

Ryan, let me give you some good advice. Your good work does busine$$ for some company?? YOU CHARGE!

EXCELLENT ----->>>OPTION<<<--- BY JOHAN!

Mark Garfinkel

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: Pilot kaz
Posted 2005-08-19 15:19:11 and read 20679 times.

Yick,

I wont be using it, Ruins the photo in my opinion,

Thanks anyway Johan and thanks for the optional feature Big grin

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: Tappan
Posted 2005-08-19 15:30:47 and read 20662 times.

JOHAN,
Can I just flip a switch on a certain photo??...or do I have to re upload??
Thanks Mark Garfinkel

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: Flyfisher1976
Posted 2005-08-19 15:32:52 and read 20659 times.

Quoting TS (Reply 35):
Disappointing to see this ugly feature implemtented just because a dozen out of several thousands of photographers requested it.

A dozen? Do you mean like a bakers dozen or a regular dozen? Like 12? Out of several thousand?

Sorry, but quite an exaggeration....

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: JeffM
Posted 2005-08-19 15:39:32 and read 20648 times.

Quoting Gary2880 (Reply 27):
''this photograph is copyrighted to XXXXX you may not use this without permission in doing so this will result in legal action, please contact the photographer to gain permission''

This makes me laugh....I would bet less then 1/10th of the folks with photos on here have the financial means to hire a lawyer and try and prove loss of income from a copyright infringement of one of their photos. A few hours of a lawyers time is not cheap, and if you were to lose, you would most likely be liable for the court fees and the fees of the supposed thief. There is much more to that procedure then many understand.

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: Flyfisher1976
Posted 2005-08-19 15:47:30 and read 20636 times.

Quoting Tappan (Reply 37):
Ryan, let me give you some good advice. Your good work does busine$$ for some company?? YOU CHARGE!

Well said...my thoughts exactly!

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: Administrator
Posted 2005-08-19 15:48:18 and read 20635 times.

Hey guys,

I share your view that watermarks will somewhat lower the enjoyment for the viewers even though I have spent considerable time to make it as unobtrusive as possible.

Remember that this is an option. I am certain most photographers will keep uploading their photos without adding a watermark.

I added this feature because I am hoping we will see photos on Airliners.net that we would not have seen if it wasn't for the watermark feature. There's a large number of great aviation photographers out there that don't put their work on the Internet due to fear of misuse. These will be encouraged to upload to Airliners.net.

Quoting Tappan (Reply 39):
Can I just flip a switch on a certain photo??...or do I have to re upload??

The re-upload page has not yet been fitted with this feature, stay tuned.

Regards,
Johan

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: TS
Posted 2005-08-19 15:52:41 and read 20625 times.

Quoting Flyfisher1976 (Reply 40):
A dozen? Do you mean like a bakers dozen or a regular dozen? Like 12? Out of several thousand?

Yes, I was referring to a dozen equalling 12. Maybe the number was 15, but that's still a tiny (but loud-voiced) minority.

Quoting INNflight (Reply 25):
Again, it's optional, so no reason to whine around here if you don't like it! Just don't use it.

Do you always dismiss differing opinions as "whining," young man? The optionality argument is quite interesting to me. Photographers who wanted to have a watermark but didn't get one so far actually didn't need to upload their photos to this website. Uploading is optional. Big grin

Thomas

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: Maiznblu_757
Posted 2005-08-19 16:08:39 and read 20612 times.

Quoting Tappan (Reply 37):
Ryan, let me give you some good advice. Your good work does busine$$ for some company?? YOU CHARGE!

Totally agree with you Mark...and it hurts everyone else when he practices this.

The only time I ever think about giving away a free photo/use is when I am given the opportunity to fly with the Air Guard, or if someone goes out of their way to give me special opportunities.

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: Danny
Posted 2005-08-19 16:09:40 and read 20612 times.

Quoting Administrator (Reply 43):
The re-upload page has not yet been fitted with this feature, stay tuned.

Cannot it be applied to the photos already in database? Since we are able to test the feature on any photo I would think it should be possible.

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: Administrator
Posted 2005-08-19 16:13:38 and read 20611 times.

Quoting Danny (Reply 46):
Cannot it be applied to the photos already in database? Since we are able to test the feature on any photo I would think it should be possible.

Every re-save of a jpeg image lowers the quality of the image. The photo should be re-uploaded from the original too keep the quality high and file size small.

Regards,
Johan

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: Gary2880
Posted 2005-08-19 16:26:25 and read 20597 times.

Quoting JeffM (Reply 41):
This makes me laugh....I would bet less then 1/10th of the folks with photos on here have the financial means to hire a lawyer and try and prove loss of income from a copyright infringement of one of their photos

and how do the people stealing them know which photographers have the means to hire a lawyer.

but im sure people that will steal photos in the future will thank you for the advice  Smile

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: Photopilot
Posted 2005-08-19 17:02:14 and read 20578 times.

Ok, here's an even better idea.

Those who want the watermark and are driving this initiative are those photographers who don't want their work used elsewhere (stolen) without payment. They run a BUSINESS out of their posted photos. They make MONEY out of A.net display.

So keep the watermark feature... but make it a PAY-to-USE feature. Say $25.00 charged to each photographer to watermark his photo. And the charge if for EACH PHOTO watermarked!

I can hear the howls of outrage now. But wait a minute. You're running a BUSINESS on A.net. You pay the watermark fee as a COST of doing business, and if you are a true business person, you write your expences off against your profits at tax time. After all, every good business has to pay something to have their product marketed.

So keep the feature, but make it USER PAY!!!

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: Gary2880
Posted 2005-08-19 17:24:24 and read 20551 times.

Its not meant to be a business though, its meant to be a photoalbum, even if it is packed of sellable HQ prints.

Interesting concept though

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: JeffM
Posted 2005-08-19 17:25:19 and read 20550 times.

Quoting Photopilot (Reply 49):
Ok, here's an even better idea.

Hardly.

Quoting Photopilot (Reply 49):
So keep the watermark feature... but make it a PAY-to-USE feature. Say $25.00 charged to each photographer to watermark his photo. And the charge if for EACH PHOTO watermarked!

Laughed long and hard after reading that...  Wink

Quoting Photopilot (Reply 49):
I can hear the howls of outrage now. But wait a minute. You're running a BUSINESS on A.net.

You don't have to be running a business to not want your pictures used without permission.....what world do you live in? As it stands, it can't be any easier.... You either watermark, or don't watermark. No one is twisting your arm either way.

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: INNflight
Posted 2005-08-19 17:26:02 and read 20549 times.

Quoting TS (Reply 44):
Quoting INNflight (Reply 25):
Again, it's optional, so no reason to whine around here if you don't like it! Just don't use it.

Do you always dismiss differing opinions as "whining," young man? The optionality argument is quite interesting to me.

Hi Thomas, hope you're doning well.
I didn't necessarily want to attack the above written comments, which all are opinions of different people, that's perfectly fine to me. You and I, we both participated in the thread of Vasco, where watermarking was requested, and almost every user that reads this forum on a regular basis left his comment wether he likes the option or not. I just didn't see a reason to start it all over again. It's implemented, good for those who like it. I don't really care.

No hard feelings here  Smile

cheers,
F.

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: LGW
Posted 2005-08-19 17:57:18 and read 20518 times.

Hi all,

Thank you Mr Watt  Smile

"Those who want the watermark and are driving this initiative are those photographers who don't want their work used elsewhere (stolen) without payment."

So are you really trying to say that the photographers who are not "driving the initiative" want their work to be stolen?! No one wants their work to be stolen but each individual must weight up the pro's and con's of the situation.

"They run a BUSINESS out of their posted photos. They make MONEY out of A.net display."

I too make money from my photos (as do a large number of airliners.net photographers) which feature here on airliners.net, very handy income it is too. No one at airliners.net is running a business even the handful of professional's who post their work here do not do so as a business they have their own personal contacts, website and agreements for that.

"how do the people stealing them know which photographers have the means to hire a lawyer"

Making empty threats is not a wise idea, although many people do not know which photographers could or would bring legal action if you threaten people with legal action (same with any empty threat in life) and do not carry it through then word can spread quickly, a ripple effect and before you know it lots of people start to gauage that no one is going to take legal action and thus the consequence does not worry anyone and airliners.net photos are here for the taking.

We all have our own reasons for uploading to airliners.net and we all have our own views and opinions on the theft of our images, Johan has come up with what a small number of photographers were calling for, and by making the feature optional means the majority (including myself) who did not want the feature do not have to use it.

Cheers

Ben Pritchard

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: Ghostbase
Posted 2005-08-19 18:42:03 and read 20489 times.

Quoting INNflight (Reply 52):
I didn't necessarily want to attack the above written comments, which all are opinions of different people, that's perfectly fine to me.

Trouble is that the 'whining' word does not always sit well depending where you come from. I understand that it is widely used in the USA and by American English speakers and is regarded as a fairly mild rebuke. As a middle-aged English English speaker I regard 'whining' as a pretty strong word and if you told me to stop whining to my face I would be very offended. When I read your post I took it to mean that you were dismissing other people's opinions as worthless and nearly replied as such.

Reminds me of that phrase about being divided by a common language!

 ghost 

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: INNflight
Posted 2005-08-19 18:52:17 and read 20485 times.

Thanks for clarifying that Ghostbase, really appreciated. I'll use it more selective in the future.

Cheers,
F.

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: JeffM
Posted 2005-08-19 21:05:38 and read 20418 times.

Quoting Administrator (Reply 47):
The photo should be re-uploaded from the original too keep the quality high and file size small.

Well it WAS a good idea. But having to re-upload almost a 1,000 photos is pretty close to rediculous. Those with only 50 or 60 photos, or a 100 or so might consider it.

Quoting Administrator (Reply 47):
Every re-save of a jpeg image lowers the quality of the image.

Not enough to make any noticeable difference...after all, think about it...we are going to spread a huge watermark over it anyway. It defeats the whole purpose.

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: Administrator
Posted 2005-08-19 21:49:42 and read 20384 times.

Again Jeff, this is not a feature for photos you have already uploaded to Airliners.net. This is a feature for photos you haven't dared to upload because you fear misuse.

You will be able to re-upload photos with a watermark but I (like every other visitor) suggest you do not but instead use the watermark feature very selectively.

Regards,
Johan

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: Tappan
Posted 2005-08-20 01:41:18 and read 20290 times.

UNSAFE SEX.....

Now that I have your attention.
When a photographer puts a unique or beautiful or well done photograph on a.net without a watermark it is like having unsafe, unprotected sex...
Hear me out and I don't want to minimize the extreme health dangers of what I am "tonque in cheek" comparing....
Alright, YES, I give away some photos to charity "angel flights" "lifeguard flights" and I allow a dad to "screensave" my work for his son..and I allow some flight sims to use......ok.....so what does that mean.
This option that Johan has devised seems excellent. I will only use it for 4 of my 190 photos. Any of you have photos that are in the "editor's choice" or "all time popular" that is where the pics will be stolen from mostly....Everyone else with an a.net membership can view them without a watermark....WHAT's the PROBLEM???
After "googling" my name and a.net photoid numbers etc, I learned, this month, that 5 companies were using my photos on their website. One was a fortune 500 company with big bucks...The first call I made I settled for $150.00.
The second call I made was a start up company who was having money problems and I allowed her to keep my photo up there for free. The thirs call I made I asked the person to take it down because he could not accept giving me MY FAIR DUE. The last call I made I settled (without a lawyer) for a VERY good sum of money (NOT a ridiculous amount) but a gentleman like way...and, guess what?, they want to use other photos of mine. This is how it works. BIG companies come here because OUR work IS the BEST.....!!!!!AGAIN, if a pilot calls and says it was his last flight before retiring (or something like that) of course, I give away free to my aviation friend...BUT, people here have to stop these $25.00 sales to big aviation companies just so that they can get a photo credit and pat on the back....

Mark G

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: Clickhappy
Posted 2005-08-20 02:12:49 and read 20272 times.

I am sorry if I have misread this, I've been in the sun far too long today.

Did someone say that if a non-paying visitor to this site does a search for a particular photo, lets say by reg number, that the only photos they will see are those of the photographers who have choose to add a watermark to their photos?

Please tell me I am confused...

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: MD-90
Posted 2005-08-20 04:04:11 and read 20233 times.

Hey, Clickhappy has a very good question.

Quoting Administrator (Thread starter):
Please note that First Class Members will still have access to the photos without a watermark.

Does this mean that a non-FC member such as myself will not be able to view new photos that photographers choose not to have watermarked? I believe you mean that the freeloaders won't be able to see non-watermarked versions of photos from photographers who upload them with the watermark.

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: TomTurner
Posted 2005-08-20 04:45:51 and read 20215 times.

Royal/MD90 - that'd be pretty funny.

I think all he meant was 1st class members can still see all the images without the Watermark.

I guess we'll find out...

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: Administrator
Posted 2005-08-20 05:15:22 and read 20201 times.

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 59):
a non-paying visitor to this site does a search for a particular photo, lets say by reg number, that the only photos they will see are those of the photographers who have choose to add a watermark to their photos?

Absolutely not! I'm very sorry if I have been unclear. All photos will show up for all visitors as always, no matter if you are First Class or not. The only difference is that non-FC members will sometimes see a watermarked photo when they click "View large/middle photo" while it will not carry a watermark for FC members. I expect about 0,001% of the photos on Airliners.net to carry a watermark in the future.

Regards,
Johan

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: RG828
Posted 2005-08-20 08:22:51 and read 20167 times.

Just uploaded my first pics with watermarks, I must say its a brilliant solution being able to choose where and how visible you want it.

Hats off to you, Mr. Administrator!

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: Dazed767
Posted 2005-08-20 12:52:29 and read 20114 times.

Which is wrong, but a small group of you dont seem to care what happens to your photos or who uses them, which ruins it for a lot of us. Probably why a lot of people who want to use my photos and contact me dont want to pay for it, cause they know someone will give it for free.

Quoting United737522 (Reply 16):
Oh boo hoo. Some flight simmer made a banner out of my photo. Oh no, my photo is on a site that provides info about aircraft. All without my permission.

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: Granite
Posted 2005-08-20 13:33:05 and read 20096 times.

Hi all

Guys, give it a chance.

You have the option to enable or disable at the upload stage. I have used it for the first time after uploading an image last night. Very feint and at the top.

Have to say the font/logo may be on the large size.

Vasco, where art thou Vasco? You started the previous thread about this so I am pretty sure Johan would appreciate your thoughts and contribution.

Regards

Gary

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: TomTurner
Posted 2005-08-20 16:35:57 and read 20033 times.

Regarding the sales, I had read someone complain in these forums about a year or so ago, that they were undercut by a consortium of Aviation Photographers - I believe the sale was for under $25 - $5.00 or so. Someone ventured a response this was okay because the unnamed Consortium may have been "growing their business". Which is fine.

But it certainly puts into perspective the complaints about others giving away shots for peanuts. That was only brought to light, due to an errant email. Doubt if it was an isolated incident.

On another note, The Watermark will certainly help prevent theft of those images protected, but I haven't seen anyone acknowledge that a good number of sales appear to be made from rather pedestrian/ordinary/common-place images. That being the case, I wonder if we won't see alot of images protected over time - not merely "spectacular" or unique shots of one sort or another.

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: TFSPhoto
Posted 2005-08-20 18:25:23 and read 19994 times.

Johan,

Instead of having "Airliners.net" splattered across the images, i think it would be more appropiate with the photographers name across it, and not the a.net stuff.

Lew

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: Mrk25
Posted 2005-08-20 19:08:55 and read 19975 times.

I think the watermark feature is a great idea, but I have to agree with TFSPhoto, the copyright is with the photographer not A.net.

Mark

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: JeffM
Posted 2005-08-20 20:05:30 and read 19954 times.

Quoting Mrk25 (Reply 68):
I think the watermark feature is a great idea, but I have to agree with TFSPhoto, the copyright is with the photographer not A.net.

Mark,
A copyright notice and a watermark are two completely different things. A watermark is simply something placed on an image to prevent it's use unaltered. Most watermarks are simply words like PROOF, SAMPLE, or a logo, etc.

Placing the phrase "Airliners.net" over the image as a watermark in no way alters the owners copyright.

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: Neilalp
Posted 2005-08-20 22:26:11 and read 19915 times.

Quoting Administrator (Thread starter):
Please note that First Class Members will still have access to the photos without a watermark.

What does this do? Someone who wants to steal a photo justs pays the FC membership fee and they have themself a watermark free photo.

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: INNflight
Posted 2005-08-20 23:07:31 and read 19892 times.

Quoting Neilalp (Reply 70):
Someone who wants to steal a photo justs pays the FC membership fee and they have themself a watermark free photo.

I hardly think anybody who wants to steal a photo would pay a FC membership to do so. Also, how should he know he gets to watermark-free version when being a FC Member?

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: A346Dude
Posted 2005-08-20 23:48:06 and read 19865 times.

Quoting INNflight (Reply 71):
I hardly think anybody who wants to steal a photo would pay a FC membership to do so.

Why not, it's only 5 bucks. For that price, they could have a month's worth of free images.

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: CMD777300ER
Posted 2005-08-21 17:46:22 and read 19644 times.

I don't like the visible watermark. "badmotiv" in my opinion!! I think the copyright bar at the bottom of the photograph is great. That displays the photographer's name.

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: Birdy
Posted 2005-08-21 20:22:34 and read 19613 times.

Quoting Administrator (Thread starter):
Please have a look at the new feature and let me know what you think:

I am very glad that this feature has been implemented, especially after lots of discussions in two previous threads about watermarks.
Aviation photography is not the same for everyone. Most of people do this for pleasure but some apart of enjoyments are also semi-professionals or professionals. However, because just minority of those photographers are going to use watermarks there will be not significant changes on A.net and it is great that this website gives options for everyone.

Johan, you did great job, this is exactly what I, and others asked for.
Thank you  Smile

Best regards,
Greg

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: Paulinbna
Posted 2005-08-22 08:23:13 and read 19513 times.

I have a question? I have first class membership and still SEE the water mark.

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: Syncmaster
Posted 2005-08-22 09:10:46 and read 19498 times.

Quoting Paulinbna (Reply 75):
I have a question? I have first class membership and still SEE the water mark.

I too am having this same problem, any suggestions?

-Charlie

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: AndrewUber
Posted 2005-08-22 09:31:53 and read 19490 times.

Roger that, I am having that same problem. I'm a paying member, I don't pay to see watermarks.

Drew

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: JetTrader
Posted 2005-08-22 11:25:10 and read 19452 times.

Quoting Administrator (Reply 43):
There's a large number of great aviation photographers out there that don't put their work on the Internet due to fear of misuse. These will be encouraged to upload to Airliners.net.



Quoting Neilalp (Reply 70):
Someone who wants to steal a photo justs pays the FC membership fee and they have themself a watermark free photo.



Quoting Q330 (Reply 17):
Quoting JeffM (Reply 12):
It's probably pretty safe too, since I wouldn't expect someone who's paying for A.net membership to be stealing photos.

If I were in the business of ripping off pics from airliners.net I'd certainly register as an FC member and carry on as before. This feature as implemented does nothing to ensure security of images.

It has been mentioned that a potential rip-off merchant would not know that FC membership provided watermark free images. I sincerely doubt this. I'm pretty sure this would be used by Johan as a selling point to get more FC memberships.

Much as I can appreciate the time & effort put into this by Johan, it does seem fundamentally flawed in one significant respect (i.e. that of not ENSURING security of images)...and the watermarks themselves are a bit unsightly to say the least. Sad

Regards,
Dean / JT

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: CV747
Posted 2005-08-22 13:23:16 and read 19414 times.

Johan,
Please Please don't!

I would like to outligne the old saying again: If you're scared about others using your picture. Don't make it public!

Quoting PipoA380 (Reply 7):
Thanks Johan. Even though it does not make too much difference if it's light, I'd really like to see the possibility to see it without to all members...

Dito! I saw the Space shuttle pictures. It really destroys the optic.

Olafur

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: Administrator
Posted 2005-08-22 14:51:53 and read 19367 times.

Quoting JetTrader (Reply 78):
It has been mentioned that a potential rip-off merchant would not know that FC membership provided watermark free images. I sincerely doubt this.

That is your opinion. My professional opinion is that it is very unlikely that someone will sign up for FC to misuse photos. Remember that we have full details on every First Class member from the payment process (real name, address etc) and it would be rather foolish of someone to think that we would not be able to connect a particular misuse with a particular name.

But again, no system is fully watertight apart from not publishing the photos at all. Such a strategy is quite sad though and this new feature is intended to encourage those that have not yet dared upload due to fear of misuse.

I have to weigh the the wishes of the viewers against the wishes of the photographers and to have the option of a watermark that's not visible to the FC members is a good compromise.

Regards,
Johan

PS First Class Members will notice that watermarks are visible even though they are logged on. This is simply because I have not updated the View Photo page. It will be done very soon.

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: Ariis
Posted 2005-08-22 17:01:39 and read 19307 times.

Quoting JeffM (Reply 14):
Dude, read his first post......... Wink Can't get much clearer.

The question was: "Can Browse Photos page have all watermarked photos marked somehow to know it before opening?" (with a different color, notice, flower, whetever) and that is NOT explained in Johan's first post.

As a great supporter of Photopilot's idea, I would like to ask Johan this question again. So, is such feature possible?

Best regards
FAO

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: JeffM
Posted 2005-08-22 17:06:27 and read 19303 times.

Quoting Ariis (Reply 81):
The question was:..........

And the answer is..........

Buy a First Class membership and the point is moot.  Wink Simple really.

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: Administrator
Posted 2005-08-22 22:22:50 and read 19237 times.

First Class members will now be able to view all photos without watermark. First Class members, please check it out and let me know if you run into any problems.

Thanks,
Johan

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: Bottie
Posted 2005-08-22 22:32:11 and read 19230 times.

Works fine here ... Picture is now like it should be

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: Flyingbronco05
Posted 2005-08-23 02:21:23 and read 19184 times.

Quoting Administrator (Reply 83):
First Class members will now be able to view all photos without watermark. First Class members, please check it out and let me know if you run into any problems.

I'm not a FC member and I don't see any watermarks.

FB05

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: A346Dude
Posted 2005-08-23 02:44:23 and read 19175 times.

FB05,

Only a couple photos in the database have the watermark so far, such as this one:


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Suresh A. Atapattu



It could use the hits  Wink.

A346Dude

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: Eadster
Posted 2005-08-23 03:06:41 and read 19167 times.

I'll probably get blasted over this but anyway...

This will have its pro's and con's.

If you don't want to use it, don't. It's simple really. Protect your own pics or don't.

Just because others are going to have watermarks on their photos, does not mean that people are going to stop viewing them. I know I will still browse through the photos regardless of a watermark.

If it encourages people to upload their photos because they now feel that its safer then so be it. Thats great.

If its going to turn people away well there's not much that can be done about that either. Its Johan's decision and I think we should all give it a go. If it does not seem to be doing that well, maybe the issue can be re-addressed later?

Quoting Administrator (Reply 80):
no system is fully watertight apart from not publishing the photos at all. Such a strategy is quite sad though and this new feature is intended to encourage those that have not yet dared upload due to fear of misuse.

I have to weigh the the wishes of the viewers against the wishes of the photographers and to have the option of a watermark that's not visible to the FC members is a good compromise.

This is very well said. Johan has to make every attempt to protect his and the photographers work. He's only looking out for us.

My $0.02 worth!

Martin

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: Paulinbna
Posted 2005-08-23 06:54:15 and read 19144 times.

Johan thanks the watermark is gone now.

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: Newark777
Posted 2005-08-23 06:59:16 and read 19144 times.

Johan thanks the watermark is gone now.

So now there will be a small handful of pictures with watermarks on them? Strange.

Harry

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: CV747
Posted 2005-08-23 10:21:38 and read 19120 times.

Quoting Administrator (Reply 83):
First Class members will now be able to view all photos without watermark. First Class members, please check it out and let me know if you run into any problems.

This picture still has watermarks even in FC mode.

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/905169/L/

Olafur

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: Tommy Mogren
Posted 2005-08-23 11:28:19 and read 19110 times.

Johan,

Thank you for finally implementing this feature. It is well needed and most welcome.

I do have a question though...

Using your test page: http://www.airliners.net/static/delme.php
I can test the feature on any picture, it shows the various
placements possible and some differences in visibility.

But it's very hard to know which one is Very faint, for example.
On the first testpage, we could read how strong it was.
(then it was 10%, 20% and 30%)

From the upload page you can see the various visibility modes available:
Very Faint
Faint
Strong
Very Strong

Can you add some text on the test page again so we know which one is which ?

Tommy Mogren

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: Granite
Posted 2005-08-23 14:06:02 and read 19085 times.

Hi all

After some deliberation I have decided that I will start using it as standard from now on.

Thanks for the hard work Johan, I don't always tell you that. I'm sure you will agree with that statement. Almost a week without an argument between us  Wink

Regards

Gary

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: Mrk25
Posted 2005-08-24 21:36:45 and read 18918 times.

Hi everybody, Just quick note to say the watermark does do it's job.
I posted a queued photo on another post to get a feel as to if it would be accepted, most of the replies complained about the watermark. But it was one of the last replies that clinched it. The user commented that it wasn't even worth a save on the desktop with the watermark, does this mean he would of happily saved my photo onto his machine, I think so.
Watermark feature, just the job.

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: Ghostbase
Posted 2005-08-24 22:00:05 and read 18901 times.

Quoting Mrk25 (Reply 93):
I posted a queued photo on another post to get a feel as to if it would be accepted, most of the replies complained about the watermark. But it was one of the last replies that clinched it. The user commented that it wasn't even worth a save on the desktop with the watermark, does this mean he would of happily saved my photo onto his machine, I think so.

With respect I really fail to see the logic in this. Does it not concern you that 'most' of the replies were complaints about using a watermark? Is preventing one person from using your photo on his desktop - hardly a grievous case of commercial robbery - worth alienating several other people who have actually taken the time to type some feedback regards the use of the watermark? (if I have understood you correctly).

I can understand a professional photographer wishing to protect his/her photographs from being misused and losing income. Applying a watermark which visually detracts from the quality of the image just to prevent someone saving your photo to a desktop seems a bit over-the-top.

 ghost 

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: A346Dude
Posted 2005-08-24 22:01:16 and read 18900 times.

I think that person meant he would have used it as his desktop wallpaper, which we clearly allow (read http://www.airliners.net/usephotos/ if you don't believe me). In any case, you're never going to get payment from someone who saves a photo on his personal machine - with or without a watermark.

So let me get this straight, nearly everyone complained about the watermark and yet you deem it a success?

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: Mrk25
Posted 2005-08-24 22:12:27 and read 18888 times.

My point was, if someone is not going to bother saving it as wallpaper there is good chance of preventing it being being misused in other ways.

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: United737522
Posted 2005-08-24 23:28:24 and read 18858 times.

Quoting Mrk25 (Reply 96):
My point was, if someone is not going to bother saving it as wallpaper there is good chance of preventing it being being misused in other ways.

Yeah, and what is the point of even opening the picture then? If it is not worthy of being on the desktop, it really should not be worthy of being on airliners.net.

Point is, a watermark ruins a good photo for the few thousand that view it. And it MAYBE prevents one person from using it on whatever.

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: JeffM
Posted 2005-08-24 23:47:12 and read 18848 times.

Quoting United737522 (Reply 97):
If it is not worthy of being on the desktop, it really should not be worthy of being on airliners.net.

Right up there with the most rediculous statements I have heard on here.

Go to any stock photo agency's website and see if you can view non-watermarked images of the size and resolution you find on here. I'm sure the photographer's are all broken up that some teenager won't use his or her photo for their desktop.

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: Clickhappy
Posted 2005-08-24 23:56:27 and read 18842 times.

Ryan, whre online is that picture of you in the captains seat wearing a captains hat, I was trying to show someone but cant seem to find it  Smile

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: JumboJim747
Posted 2005-08-25 00:16:54 and read 18825 times.

Quoting Administrator (Reply 80):
Remember that we have full details on every First Class member from the payment process (real name, address etc

Johan with all due respect you are wrong on this point.
Me as i don't have a credit card i get my friends to pay for me with their cards and then i pay them the money accordingly.
So if someone wants to use the feature for other intentions they are not going to use their own credit card.
Before you all start asking why i don't have a credit card i simply don't like them and would be too scared to use it on the internet if i did have one.
Back on topic although i don't like the feature lets give it a try and see how it pans out.
Cheers

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: StealthZ
Posted 2005-08-25 00:44:07 and read 18818 times.

Quoting JeffM (Reply 98):
Go to any stock photo agency's website and see if you can view non-watermarked images of the size and resolution you find on here

Absolutely.. except last time I looked and certainly not the reason I joined and started contributing to A.net, it is NOT a stock photo agency... maybe those who feel it is should pay the same amount to have their photos displayed here!

Chris

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: JeffM
Posted 2005-08-25 02:44:06 and read 18789 times.

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 101):
it is NOT a stock photo agency...

So Chris, where is a good stock photo agency for airline/GA/military photos? I don't believe we are supplier of "desktop wallpaper" either.  Wink

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: TACAA320
Posted 2005-08-25 03:00:40 and read 18783 times.

Thanks for the effort and for putting optional. I personally find it ugly.

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: StealthZ
Posted 2005-08-25 03:09:47 and read 18775 times.

Jeff,

I don't know the answer to that and have not bothered to research it, maybe if there is a demand.. someone may care to fill it. Because there may not be a good one, expecting A.net to fullfil all the roles of a stock agency for free is a little much.

Oh and A. and desktop wall paper.. from the Airliners.net restrictions in usage, in fact the very first para., you could hardly have missed it.-

Quote:
You have limited rights to personally view the images with your web browser and to use them as your personal computer wallpaper (or background image) on your own computer....

Chris

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: JeffM
Posted 2005-08-25 03:24:04 and read 18769 times.

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 104):
...in fact the very first para., you could hardly have missed it.-

I have knew that, it's has been there for years...but it doesn't put us in the 'business' now does it?

I guess you miss the point. I'm not sure why you complain about the watermark anyway.

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 104):
I don't know the answer to that and have not bothered to research it, maybe if there is a demand.. someone may care to fill it.

We fill it, and there is a demand, maybe you just have not been a part of it yet?

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: United737522
Posted 2005-08-25 03:43:56 and read 18752 times.

So someone pays $5, gets the image, and the money they paid goes to airliners.net. Anyone else see something wrong with this? What is the point if the image is still susceptable?

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: StealthZ
Posted 2005-08-25 03:51:47 and read 18752 times.

Quoting JeffM (Reply 105):
We fill it, and there is a demand, maybe you just have not been a part of it yet?

And do you pay the 20-40+% of your revenues to A.net as commissions?...no you get the service for free!!!

Quoting JeffM (Reply 105):
maybe you just have not been a part of it yet?

Oh just a hint of that famous A.net elitism creeping in, no I have not had huge demand for my Aviation shots but I was selling photographs and dealing with stock agencies many years before A.net was a glimmer in Johan's eye.

I am not against watermarks and copyright notices as such, I just feel the A.net implementation detracts from the value of the site.

If I had the huge demand and lavish income you obviously enjoy I would be more worried about those that give away images because they "are honoured" to be asked.. that WILL devalue your revenue.

Regards

Chris

Topic: RE: New Visible Watermark Feature
Username: Administrator
Posted 2005-08-25 04:07:01 and read 18750 times.

Guys,

Airliners.net caters to all photographers and have therefore made the watermark feature optional.

Some of you will use it, some will not. It is entirely up to you.

You can continue the discussion in Addition Of "the" Watermark On Your Photo's. (by DutchOps Aug 19 2005 in Aviation Photography) or elsewhere. As this thread seems to have lost its focus I am locking it.

Thanks,
Johan


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