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Topic: Which Lens?
Username: Jetfreak
Posted 2008-02-17 02:27:02 and read 2746 times.

Hi,
I´m going to buy a canon eos 450d as soon as it as released. You said it would be better not to buy the 450d kit, but only the body and a better lens. I think a zoom lens would be good for me, because then, I don´t need to buy so many different lenses. As I don´t want to spend too much money on it I´d like to buy a lense belo €300.
Can you give me advice? Thank you very much, Jetfreak

Topic: RE: Which Lens?
Username: SNATH
Posted 2008-02-17 03:02:51 and read 2730 times.



Quoting Jetfreak (Thread starter):
You said it would be better not to buy the 450d kit, but only the body and a better lens.

So, from what I've read, the new kit lens is actually quite good; better than the previous one at least... But, yes, for EUR300 you should be able to get something better.

Quoting Jetfreak (Thread starter):
I think a zoom lens would be good for me, because then, I don´t need to buy so many different lenses.

What type of pictures will you be taking? Will you need a long zoom (so you can take pictures of planes taking off from far away), or maybe a wide zoom (for landscapes / architecture / cabin shots)? Or more of a general purpose lens?

Quoting Jetfreak (Thread starter):
As I don´t want to spend too much money on it I´d like to buy a lense belo €300.

I don't have it, but a lens that I've seen recommended a lot for the Canons is the Tamron 17-50mm f/2.8 XR Di II:

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/R...mm-f-2.8-XR-Di-II-Lens-Review.aspx
http://www.photozone.de/Reviews/Cano...rical-if-canon-test-report--review

It has a similar focal range to the kit lens, constant f/2.8 aperture, good image quality, at a reasonable price.

What I would recommend that you do is to decide what type of shooting you will be doing, read up on the lenses that are available, and see which one would suit your needs best at your price range.

Tony

Topic: RE: Which Lens?
Username: Jetfreak
Posted 2008-02-17 04:17:49 and read 2710 times.

Thank you very much.

Quoting SNATH (Reply 1):
What type of pictures will you be taking? Will you need a long zoom (so you can take pictures of planes taking off from far away), or maybe a wide zoom (for landscapes / architecture / cabin shots)? Or more of a general purpose lens?

I think I´ll need a long zoom, because in Vienna (where I go spotting) there´s the runway pretty far away from the airport fence, but I also want to use my camera for things like sightseeing in foreign countries or something like that.

I already have a Canon EF 28-80mm 1:3.5-5.6 II because it was in the kit of the camera (it´s a non-digital EOS 300) which my mum bought long ago.

Thanks, Jetfreak

Topic: RE: Which Lens?
Username: SNATH
Posted 2008-02-17 04:50:12 and read 2698 times.



Quoting Jetfreak (Reply 2):
I think I´ll need a long zoom, because in Vienna (where I go spotting) there´s the runway pretty far away from the airport fence,

This is highly regarded for the price:

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/R...mm-f-4-5.6-IS-USM-Lens-Review.aspx

but I don't know whether it's within your budget. I know that you want to get the latest Rebel, but maybe you should also consider getting, say, the previous one (400D) and a better lens, instead of the latest one and a not-so-good lens. The lens plays huge role in the quality of the pictures you'll take.

Quoting Jetfreak (Reply 2):
but I also want to use my camera for things like sightseeing in foreign countries or something like that.

When sightseeing (of which I do a lot), I generally like to use a wide lens (the 17-40mm f/4 L is my "bread and butter" lens). I wouldn't want to go sightseeing with a very long lens, but that's my personal preference.

Quoting Jetfreak (Reply 2):
I already have a Canon EF 28-80mm 1:3.5-5.6 II

You probably know this, but just in case you don't: a lot of the DSLRs (the Rebels included) have what's referred to as a 1.6x crop factor, i.e., the 28-80mm lens on the Rebel will become the equivalent of a 49-128mm which, again in my opinion, will be too long for general sight-seeing. I find that something like 17mm or 18mm is wide enough for most purposes on the 1.6x cameras...

Tony

Topic: RE: Which Lens?
Username: Whisperjet
Posted 2008-02-17 04:57:16 and read 2698 times.

Quoting SNATH (Reply 3):
I know that you want to get the latest Rebel, but maybe you should also consider getting, say, the previous one (400D) and a better lens, instead of the latest one and a not-so-good lens. The lens plays huge role in the quality of the pictures you'll take.

     

Can only agree with Tony. I would definitely consider buying either the 350D or the 400D (depending on the price) and the 70-300 IS. Together with your 28-80 it's a good combination to start with.

I've been to VIE and I always needed at least 200mm, often more.

Stefan

[Edited 2008-02-17 04:57:44]

Topic: RE: Which Lens?
Username: Jetfreak
Posted 2008-02-17 05:04:50 and read 2690 times.

Ok. I thought of buying the 450D because then I have got a camera with the newest technologies for many years.

Quoting SNATH (Reply 3):
This is highly regarded for the price:

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/R...mm-f-4-5.6-IS-USM-Lens-Review.aspx

but I don't know whether it's within your budget.


Maybe...  Confused if I want a good equipment, €200 more to pay???

Topic: RE: Which Lens?
Username: SNATH
Posted 2008-02-17 05:17:17 and read 2688 times.



Quoting Jetfreak (Reply 5):
Ok. I thought of buying the 450D because then I have got a camera with the newest technologies for many years.

Sure, I understand that, maybe the 2 extra megapixels and the live view will be worth the extra money. Here are the differences between 400D and 450D BTW:

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0801/08012415canoneos450dchanges.asp

Actually, one reason to buy the 450D over the previous models is that the 450D takes SD cards (and it looks as if Canon is moving in that direction with their cameras), whereas the previous ones still take Compact Flash cards. So, getting the 450D and investing in SD cards is maybe a more "future proofed" approach. But, you will get better quality pictures with a more expensive lens and a slightly older camera, instead of the latest camera and a cheaper lens.

Lots of food for thought for you.  Smile

Tony

Topic: RE: Which Lens?
Username: Jetfreak
Posted 2008-02-17 07:03:59 and read 2668 times.

I´ve already got a lot of SD cards, because of my starter digital camera (Nikon Coolpix L5).

Regards, Jetfreak

Topic: RE: Which Lens?
Username: A350XWB
Posted 2008-02-17 21:17:27 and read 2633 times.

I have a 70-300 IS USM since about 2 years and it's a great lens in this price category. You should consider spending these extra euro now, otherwise you will upgrade your equipment within the next 6 month  Wink

www.photouniversal.de announces a new Canon Cashback campaign starting in 2 weeks. If this turns out to be true, I can only recommend you to buy the 400D (60 EUR cash back) + 70-300 IS USM (50 EUR cashback). This would be about 430 EUR for the lens and 380 EUR for the body (took the lowest prices of www.idealo.de).

This set would be a great one to start your spotting experiences.

Topic: RE: Which Lens?
Username: SNATH
Posted 2008-02-18 00:08:24 and read 2620 times.



Quoting Jetfreak (Reply 7):
I´ve already got a lot of SD cards, because of my starter digital camera (Nikon Coolpix L5).

Make sure they are big enough! With a 12mp camera, you'll fill them up pretty quickly!  Wink

Tony

Topic: RE: Which Lens?
Username: JakTrax
Posted 2008-02-18 00:34:53 and read 2617 times.

If you are just beginning then I think the 450D would be a good choice. While it's true that a cheaper body with good glass is the best combination, not everyone wants to shell out on L series lenses straight away. Go for the 450D and something like the EF75-300 F4-5.6 USM III. Remember, it's all very well having great glass but ultimately picture quality lies in the hands of the operator. I had the mentioned lens (around EUR200, maybe less) and managed many fantastic images with it. In a year or two, or when you can afford, upgrade your lens(es) to something better. I think part of the fun is the continual upgrading until you get your set-up exactly how you want it.

Karl

Topic: RE: Which Lens?
Username: Jetfreak
Posted 2008-02-18 10:50:35 and read 2581 times.

Thank you very much for your advice!!!  Smile

Topic: RE: Which Lens?
Username: GuamVICE
Posted 2008-02-18 12:25:56 and read 2561 times.



Quoting JakTrax (Reply 10):
I think part of the fun is the continual upgrading until you get your set-up exactly how you want it.

This is exactly how things started for me. When I first got my Rebel XTi (400D) I had the following lenses to accompany it: 18-55; 28-135 IS; 75-300. I upgraded to a 30D last April and eventually sold off the other three lenses and found myself in the company of the 10-22; 24-70 f/2.8L; 70-200 f/2.8L IS. It is truly part of the fun upgrading and realizing how much more valuable your better equipment is in when you need better pictures...

Good luck!


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