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Topic: What Am I Doing Wrong?
Username: Hmmmm...
Posted 2000-09-16 18:41:00 and read 3910 times.

Okay. This is my first photo submission to Airliners.net.

It has been rejected twice.

The reason was given as image quality vaguely stated in the rejection notice.

It was shot with my new Canon SLR camera with expensive Kodak film.

It was scanned with a new UMAX Astra 2200 (1200 x 600) dpi purchased expressly for this purpose.

The original photo is crisp as a 4" x 6". The scanned image appears crisp to my eye. But when uploaded the file size is massive at 773,000 bytes. So the resolution must be good. There is no pixelating going on. The data is there.

Alas, it seems not good enough. Very disappointing.

The following photo will take about 10 minutes to load because the file size is so big.

How do I make the file size smaller without sacrificing dpi?

P.S. I've had to reduce the dimension of the photo for this post to 400 x 600. Otherwise, the photo uploads at huge proportions and takes forever to load.

Hmmmm...




Hmmmm...

Topic: RE: What Am I Doing Wrong?
Username: Brick
Posted 2000-09-16 21:10:27 and read 3513 times.

First of all the file size is waaaaay too big. Even if it is at a 300 dpi resolution (which is more than enough) the file shouldn't be over 200K.

The photo was problaby rejected because: A) The subject is too far away and/or B) the subject has been cut off a little bit (why don't you crop the photo and have the aircraft centered?).

Just my opinions...

Mark Abbott
Minneapolis, MN

Topic: RE: What Am I Doing Wrong?
Username: Danny
Posted 2000-09-16 23:22:00 and read 3500 times.

Hi!

The object itself looks good. A nice angle. But you need to leave out some of the sky and concentrate on getting the plane larger. Then you shouldn't have any problems.

On the topic - can anyone tell me what's wrong with these pics?




/Danny

Topic: RE: What Am I Doing Wrong?
Username: Hmmmm...
Posted 2000-09-17 00:16:24 and read 3475 times.

Thanks for your responses guys.

The rejection notice, the form letter we are all familiar with, only spoke about image quality.

It would be much better if Johan simply stated why it was rejected. A few simple words. That way we would know why it was rejected instead of guessing. It wouldn't take any more time to do that than it takes to fire off a form letter. Unless, of course, all the rejects for say, image quality, are all put into an e-mail folder and then sent all at once at the same time in a mass mailing procedure. That won't be of much help.

As a photographer, and photography is an artform, and therefore subjective, I like the shot the way it is composed. It was coming from my left, so I like the fact that there is more sky on the right. Nor do I think that the plane is too small. I don't believe that every shot requires that the plane be huge and right in the middle. That would be like being a photographer for a mail order catalogue company. There would be no room for artistic flair and therefore no point in displaying your work for others to see. I hope that is not the reason.

Yes, the right winglet is cut off. If that is the fatal flaw, then it would be nice to know that. That way I won't waste my time guessing what is wrong and uploading it again and again. I can write that photo off as unsalvageable.

But I don't think that is the reason. Which still leaves the question as to why the file size is so big, 773,000 bytes. Something is wrong there.

Even when I scanned it at 75 dpi, the file size was still 301,000 bytes, but the picture was pixelated.


I like both of those shots Danny. If it is image quality then maybe a higher resolution scan. What dpi was it scanned? My recent rule is that I should be able to magnify three or four times without seeing pixels. But maybe Johan's rule is six times. He does not say. So we are just shooting in the dark. And comparison to other photos on Airliners.net does no good. Johan says that he has increased the standards as time goes by. Which means there are thousands of photos there which are no better than yours or mine. So we can't compare to other photos since we do not know what the standards are now vs. then.

I'm at a loss.

Hmmmm...

Topic: RE: What Am I Doing Wrong?
Username: Corona
Posted 2000-09-17 01:03:03 and read 3458 times.

Couple of points to Hmmmm...

You wrote:

"I don't believe that every shot requires that the plane be huge and right in the middle. That would be like being a photographer for a mail order catalogue company"

Welcome to Airliners.net. Yes, you ARE shooting for someone else by uploading to this site. Johan has the final say, so basically, you will have to create pictures HE likes. Sad, but true. That's why I don't upload much anymore...just a few shots here and there.

You wrote:

"So we are just shooting in the dark. And comparison to other photos on Airliners.net does no good. Johan says that he has increased the standards as time goes by. Which means there are thousands of photos there which are no better than yours or mine. So we can't compare to other photos since we do not know what the standards are now vs. then."

Well, there IS a way to see what the current standards are: check the most recent uploads.

Anyway, don't get frustrated...just keep shooting what YOU like. Good luck...

Topic: RE: What Am I Doing Wrong?
Username: Qantas737
Posted 2000-09-17 12:07:16 and read 3438 times.

I've got the same problem guys. Johan says my scan quality is very low, but they are at 600DPI and I think they are just as clear as some of the other recent photos added to the database! Hmmm..... I do think your photo should be more centered, but other than that it looks good to me. Danny I see absolutely nothing wrong with your 2 shots at all. Please have a look at mine and tell me why you think they are always rejected!

http://photos.yahoo.com/supra_101

Thanks.

Topic: RE: What Am I Doing Wrong?
Username: AUS_Spotter
Posted 2000-09-17 14:28:53 and read 3433 times.

You don't need to scan at a high dpi to get a good quality scan. All the photos I've uploaded have been scanned at 150dpi and saved with 20% JPEG compression. This results in a file size of less than 200kb almost every time. I've found that most of the photos I've had rejected are due to the original photo itself, and not the scan. I've learned a lot about scanning and taking photos since I started uploading pictures to Airliners.net in January.

Quantas737, You're photos were probably rejected because the date is printed on the photo. However, even if the date wasn't on the photo they probably would have been rejected for being too blurry. Try using the "sharpen" feature of your image editing program after you scan to make your photos sharper. I took one of your photos and sharpened it. http://www.coasterphotos.com/temp/SAS-ingvar.jpg
Check it out, I think you'll be able to see a difference. Also, it looks like the photos may have been taken through a window as I can see some reflections in the photos. This will also get a photo rejected.

Jason Knutson - Austin, TX

Topic: RE: What Am I Doing Wrong?
Username: Mirage
Posted 2000-09-17 14:58:07 and read 3422 times.

The picture would look better if the plane was centered and not cutted, if you want to bring the "art" word to discussion, you should have filled that open space on the right with something like another plane or the sun or some building. In aviation photography that kind of open spaces doesn't work, it just seems you shoot the plane one second before the right time. Ofcourse art is subjective and different to each one eyes but to tell you the truth I don't see art in that photo.

Luis, Faro, Portugal

Topic: RE: What Am I Doing Wrong?
Username: Hmmmm...
Posted 2000-09-17 20:11:39 and read 3405 times.

Okay, art critics, I have bent to your demands. I have reduced the amount of sky all around and also the tree at the bottom. I liked the tree where it was. It gave the photo perspective. You knew how low to the ground it was when you saw the plane juxtaposed against nature. But I have now become one of the Borg collective it seems, and removed this as well.

When I uploaded this photo on to the net to show you here, I noticed that the file size is right. At 612 x 900 pixels, full-page view, it comes to about 58 KBs at 300 dpi. Perhaps the host automatically compresses it. I don't know. And I don't know if lower dpis will produce the same quality. I understand that for Internet display, 150 is plenty good enough.

I added my credit to protect it now that it is in the public domain. Johan can delete that if he finally chooses to display it.


I also ran the photo through Adobe Photoshop and used the sharpen feature twice. But not more than twice.

This is the result.



BTW, that over-the-wing shot out the window shows no reflections to my eye. I don't see a problem with that one. Keep trying Danny.

Topic: RE: What Am I Doing Wrong?
Username: Nosewheel
Posted 2000-09-17 20:35:14 and read 3402 times.

Hi There Mmmmmm,

I have no comments on the picture quality...ultimately Johan has the final say so no point me telling you it is good, bad, or in-between.

But...

When it comes to scanning, resizing, saving and all the rest...try this...

Scan the shot...any resolution, doesn't matter...just try a few settings until you find what gives the best end result.

Resize the shot to some sensible size, bearing in mind the new 800/600 minimum sizes here on airliners (some packages will call this "resample") and at the same time set the "output resolution" to something between 70 and 100 dpi...this has nothing to do with the scan resolution and no detail is lost...this just affects how big your shot will print.

Note that if you resize to say 1000 pixels wide and leave the resolution as 1000dpi your shot will only be 1 inch wide when printed!!! I don't know if Johan considers this when looking at image quality...but he might...and what good is a shot that no one can print?? (just a thought).

Now sharpen (using the unsharp mask feature) to something between 100 and 160% with radius set to 1 (always!!!) and threshold set to 10...only use this once on the whole image...you can selectively do detail afterwards if required. Sometimes you might find an initial 100% sharpen at the original images size helps...this will vary from image to image but it is something to try if at this stage the image doesn't sharpen satisfactorally.

When done save as JPEG with no more than 20% compression...or better still save with no compression and use JPEG Wizard as this compresses with very little loss of image quality (get it from http://www.jpegwizard.com)...

Then see what Johan thinks...

But bear in mind it all starts with a sharp, clean slide or print.

Good luck,
Dean Barnes


Topic: RE: What Am I Doing Wrong?
Username: Mirage
Posted 2000-09-17 21:04:11 and read 3391 times.

I like it now, it lost some quality, it's more grainy but I like it.

Topic: RE: What Am I Doing Wrong?
Username: Hmmmm...
Posted 2000-09-17 23:48:54 and read 3399 times.

Thanks for your suggestions Nosewheel. This is where I am at now:

My scanner software allows me to set dpi and image size separately. I chose the default setting of 100% for image size.

Then I scan with 300 dpi. I found that higher dpi scans produced no better results. But took forever to load. But I found that scanning at 75 dpi was very pixelated.

If I scan with 1000 dpi, my file will be huge. That was what I had been doing and I was getting file sizes near 100MB! And the quality of the photo was no better. In fact, it was worse, because it was so blown up, every imperfection in the processing was there up close.

My software does not have this radius and threshold feature you speak of. Or it goes under another name. But I do use the sharpen feature that comes with the Photoshop software. I sharpen twice.

BTW, this image should be no less fine than before. I did not diminish the scan resolution. I simply just cropped the photo and sharpened it twice. Without sharpening, it was a little blurred up close.

I did not compress this JPG file. And the file size was only 58 KBs. All in all, I think the technicals are now correct. Resolution-wise, I compare it to recent uploads at Airliners.net and see no difference, even after magnification several times. I look for pixelating after moving up in magnification level and comparing where it starts between my shots and those that are already up at Airliners.net to convince myself that it is not a resolution issue.

BTW, what photo software do you people use when downloading JPG files? I have Corel Photohouse that came with Corel Suite 8. It is very basic. Not too many features, but I find it allows me to make small JPG files by selecting pixel dimensions. I can not seem to be able to do this with Adobe photoshop. It makes huge files. So I use both.

I was just talking to a gentlemen in photo equipment and processing store, and he told me that there is infinitely more data to be scanned off a negative or a slide than there is off a 4 x 6 print. Which is what most of us are doing I think. The resolution should be crystal clear if the shot was.

The scanner I purchased advertised, on the box, that it scanned negatives, slides and transparencies. Well, guess what? To do that, you need to purchase a special add-on piece. No mention of that. And guess what? It is an item almost impossible to find for that make in this country.

Truth in advertising.

Hmmmm...




Topic: RE: What Am I Doing Wrong?
Username: Mirage
Posted 2000-09-18 00:24:03 and read 3382 times.

Try to keep the scanning as simple as possible, I use Adobe Photodeluxe, first scan at 150dpi, then sharpen the photo only once and later if necessary add some contrast and that's it, all my photos are accepted. BTW the scanner is a HP5100C.

Luis, Faro, Portugal

Topic: RE: What Am I Doing Wrong?
Username: Danny
Posted 2000-09-18 08:11:05 and read 3372 times.

Hi! (sorry if I'm a little late - weekend...  )

Hmmmm, what sort of scanning software do you use? I use HP DeskScan II and it allows me to use any DPI setting but still reduce size if I want. There should be some similar thing in your software. Try looking it up. But as many already said - it usually is enough with 300 DPI, and that's what I used for my shots. But they still get rejected because of low quality. I've tried almost everything with these pics, and I really can't see what's wrong with them, just like the rest of you. So Hmmmm, we'll just need to try harder, right?   You have an eye for good photo angles, so don't give up!
That wing-shot of mine is absolutely without any reflections, so that can't be the case...I actually got rejected (if I don't remember it wrong) because of "low esthetic values". Meaning that I didn't shoot enough of the wing... Is there anyone else seeing the art in that shot? Spoilers up at fl310? I think it looks pretty good. It's almost like a desktop pic for your computer!

Qantas737 - the ideas on your pics are good, but.
* The first SR MD11 - not showing enough of the plane. I like the pic, it's very artistic. But that's not what they think here.
* The second SR MD11 - you've got a little too much terminal building in the foreground.
* The SAS B763 - why do we nordic people always have to eat so much? Them freakin' Gate Gourmet cars are in the way.
* The Qantas B743 and Australian BAe146 - play around a little with light, contrast and sharpening. Looking good.

Anyway...I'm gonna try scanning the pics one more time, then I don't know what to do...

Guys - keep trying, you sure show that you can and are good enough for this place! Good luck!

/Danny

Topic: RE: What Am I Doing Wrong?
Username: USAir_757
Posted 2000-09-19 01:22:04 and read 3353 times.

Hmmmm...: The photo still would be rejected. It's too grainy. I believe PhotoShop has a grain reduction feature. Try re-scanning that photo at 150DPI then using PhotoShop and use the grain reduction, THEN sharpen. I use Paint Shop Pro 7 beta, it has a grain reduction.

Look at the difference:
(before grain reduction) http://www.geocities.com/aviationspotter/comaircrj-4.jpg

(after grain reduction) http://www.geocities.com/aviationspotter/comaircrj-5.jpg

TRy it...


Regards
C. Wassell

Topic: RE: What Am I Doing Wrong?
Username: Qantas737
Posted 2000-09-19 03:17:31 and read 3349 times.

Looks like we all have to just keep trying   One day we might all have at least 1 photo on airliners.net. I'm trying to get my last 3 shots on the film currently in the camera used up so I can see what kind of shots I got. There is a real close up shot of a Flight West Jetstream 32EP and I hope it turns out real good. No Gate Gourmet trucks next to it and the only thing that might let it down is the rear door/step at the rear of the aircraft being down at the time! Danny I really like your photos and I don't know why they could really get rejected! The wing is like my shot of the Asia Swissair shot showing the fuselage which just isn't enough of the part, apparently. I really liked the way that my shot turned out. I think the shot with the Asia Swissair tail was more aimed at the Tokyo Narita Terminal in the background so I'm not complaining! Anyway good luck everyone trying to upload some photos! 

Topic: RE: What Am I Doing Wrong?
Username: Hmmmm...
Posted 2000-09-22 18:51:59 and read 3337 times.

Well I adjusted the photo to make it even clearer with the despeckle option in Photoshop. Unfortunately, no matter how good it is, Johan doesn't want it.

So instead of waiting 5 days to get a rejection notice, I've decided to forget about airliners.net and create my own porfolio at webshots. At webshots, you can share your photos with the internet.

I have some very interesting well-framed, artistic shots that just will never see the light of day here. But you guys can view them as soon as they are all scanned and loaded.

I suggest you do the same.

The problem is not the your photos are of low quality. We all know what a low quality photo looks like. There are thousands of them on airliners.net. Your photos are as good or better than most. We've seen them. Better than most of the run-of-the-mill shots already uploaded and accepted. The problem is that there are already so many photos on the site, many by professional photographers, that getting your photo accepted has become a contest. Often it rides on your intimate knowledge of photo editing software and your ability to manipulate your photo so that it will appear just right to Johan in the one-second glance he probably gives it.

That is not what it was about in the beginning. And it certainly is not in the spirit of the internet where sharing thoughts and photos with untold others is the reason why you and I are here.

We are here to share our photos, that have been carefully taken and scanned to the best of our ability. But to Johan, the submitted photos are only material to generate web hits, to generate banner income. The "better" the photos, the more hits he can generate, the more money the site makes. So why spend the hours and the tedious effort in uploading your work when it will most likely end in rejection because your work was deemed unprofitable for the greater glory of the site?

When you share your photos on Webshots.com, for example, they are also material for generating site hits. But at least there they do not reject your work. They allow you to share it the way you photographed it. In the egalitarian, democratic spirit of the of the Internet, they let the world decide if the shot is flawed or great. Or great with a flaw. Or somewhere in between. It is not censured by anybody, least of all, one man.

Which is ironic. In the beginning, when Johan had nothing, he accepted any decent photo of an airliner, grateful for the submission. And best of all, it was free. Fee material for his site that earned him money with the banner ads. That's how all sites work. The more hits, the more you can charge for banner ad space.

But now that this site has become so big with so many photos and such a money maker, he doesn't need, nor want, your amateur photos anymore. Now he is no longer grateful for your efforts, because he doesn't need them. Instead, he snubs his nose at your nice shots, claiming that his standards have increased, and your efforts no longer meet them. Then a belated pre-worded form e-mail rejection notice informing you that your photos are lacking.

I would like to see those "high standards" used on the discussion forums. But dumbass Airbus vs Boeing threads, with atrocious grammer and spelling worded by 12 year-olds, generate lots of hits. More hits, more money.

So much for quality control.

Hmmmm...

Topic: RE: What Am I Doing Wrong?
Username: Mirage
Posted 2000-09-22 21:13:29 and read 3324 times.

I've seen lots of people complaining about rejected photos, if you make a search, you can even see ME complaining a long time ago. You're the first that I would call a bad looser.
Something has to make the difference between the good sites and the average sites. Airliners.net is the number one site for aviation photography and I hope Johan will keep it this way.

Luis, Faro, Portugal

Topic: RE: What Am I Doing Wrong?
Username: Danny
Posted 2000-09-22 23:03:09 and read 3318 times.

Luis, as you said - you have been there before, and so have I. We had both gotten lots of rejected pics before finally getting accepted...and now that we get our pics more or less accepted, it's so much easier to say what you just said.

But please put yourself in Mark's place. Do you remember those annoying "The following pictures were NOT added..." e-mails? What did you think? What did you say in your anger? Well, probably exactly what Mark just said. So take it easy on him and remember that we have all been there.

And to you Mark, have patience. It takes a lot to get accepted, but if I can manage to get my pics accepted, so can you. You show that you have that eye for nice angles and stuff. You got the potential to be one of those "higher level"-photographers. When that day comes, remember us guys at the bottom, okay?  

Don't give up and keep up the good work!

/Danny

Topic: RE: What Am I Doing Wrong?
Username: Mirage
Posted 2000-09-22 23:28:28 and read 3316 times.

Yes I have complain before but I have never told something like "hey guys you're loosing time here, let's go to webshots, this administrator doesn't care about your photos, he's just looking for money"

It's of bad taste trying to influence the other peoples opinions using this arguments. Well this is what I think, ofcourse.

Topic: RE: What Am I Doing Wrong?
Username: AUS_Spotter
Posted 2000-09-23 01:35:04 and read 3307 times.

I am in no way a professional photographer and have a lot to learn about taking photos. All of my first uploads were rejected for low image quality. I spent a lot of time with my scanner and image editing software and finally got 1 photo accepted. A little more work and learning and I can now get photos accepted the first time most of the time. Sure, I still get photos rejected but most of the times they are shots that I'm not sure will make it in the first place. Although there were a few I had rejected yesterday that have left me scratching my head. But I don't give up, I'll rescan them and upload them again and they are usually accepted. Once you upload a few photos and they are accepted, you will start to figure out what Johan likes and won't be wasting time upload low quality images and getting rejection notices! Don't give up so easily. With a little work I'm sure you can get photos accepted. But I definitely know how you feel. It took me about a month from the time I first uploaded a photo till I got one accepted.

Jason Knutson - Austin, TX

Topic: RE: What Am I Doing Wrong?
Username: Hmmmm...
Posted 2000-09-24 06:12:55 and read 3273 times.

Well, thanks for your comments Danny and AUS_Spotter. But I have decided to shoot the shots that I think are appealing. And I want to share those.
I haven't given up. I've expanded my horizons. And in doing so, I encourage you gentlemen to post all the shots that appeal to you, as having merit, on the Internet anyway, regardless of what you contribute here.

You should not aim your camera, and your editing, for someone else's tastes and technical parameters. That's a mistake. Especially so for an aspiring, amateur photographer. Which is what we all are. And there is very little leeway, artistically, on airliners.net. And that is the direction I want to go and the one I think will be the most rewarding.

I wish you guys the best of luck. There's lots of places to share them in addition to webshots. You can even create Yahoo and/or Excite! clubs. Just because you upload something here is no reason not to upload it wherever you can, to increase your exposure.

This is your hobby, your pasttime. Don't become a robot in the process. Much less a slave robot. Shoot what you think is good, post it, and let the world give you its opinion. Not one man.

The proof is out there.


Hmmmm...

some of my recent work

Topic: RE: What Am I Doing Wrong?
Username: USAir_757
Posted 2000-09-24 06:52:24 and read 3263 times.

Hmmmm...:

I felt *EXACTLY* the same way you do now, when I first started trying to get photos on. Rejection, after rejection, after rejection, after rejection, after rejection, after rejection! I began to feel like a robot. A slave. Well, I went to every point I could to improve, got a new(used) camera, completely changed what film i use and where i get it developed, how i composed and took the pictures, and now I have 6 photos in the database, and working toward more.

My photos on airliners.net:
http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?photographersearch=C.%20Wassell

My first upload attempt:
http://www.geocities.com/aviationspotter/0008.jpg

We all have to start somewhere. Don't just go to Webshots, how will you become a better photographer on Webshots? The reason I am better now is because of these requirements! In a way, Airliners.net is a photography lesson. A really good one. Webshots is NOT that way. Please consider what I am telling you. Also, let me add that I enjoy it now. I dont feel like a robot or slave anymore.

Listen, i'll be glad to tell you what i do when i scan. If you want me to, tell me in a reply to this post.

Regards,
C. Wassell

Topic: Yes, I Know!
Username: LGW
Posted 2000-09-24 08:46:39 and read 3270 times.

I had the same problems, I used to get most of my photos rejected. So I went away bought a new auto-focus Canon EOS 3000, worked on my scanning and now I have quite a few in the data base. http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?photographersearch=ben pritchard (sorry if that link didnt work, search for ben pritchard

Topic: RE: What Am I Doing Wrong?
Username: USAir_757
Posted 2000-09-24 15:39:57 and read 3249 times.

Surround your addresses with "<>" to make them into links. Also where there would be a space instead put a "%20"

Example:

C.%20Wassell instead of C. Wassell


Regards,
C. Wassell

Topic: RE: What Am I Doing Wrong?
Username: Hmmmm...
Posted 2000-09-25 03:04:33 and read 3235 times.


Shooting for someone else's tastes will not make you a better photographer. Technically, anyone can take a photo of a plane sitting on a runway, with a zoom lens, in good light, with a good camera, and use a good scanner and get it accepted. Too bad airliners.net already has 500 identical shots of the same plane taken from the same angle. Which is why yours will likely not get accepted. And if it was, would that make you a photographer, much less a good photographer? No. That just makes you a robot working for airliners.net in their catalogue archive department.

Case in point. Clink the link I provided in my previous post and check out Chanel No 5. I love that shot. But it will never be suitable for Airliners.net because the plane itself is only a small part of the entire frame, surrounded by vast expanse of sky and grassy land. I will not crop it. That is how I framed it and that is how it was supposed to look. And that is how it will stay. I achieved, at least for me, the effect I was looking for.

Don't make the mistake of thinking that an accepted photo is a vindication of quality. A poor quality photo will be rejected. But a great photo is most likely to be rejected as well. Simply because it doesn't fit into any of the catalogue categories and one man finds it too artsy for his catalogue purpose.

A good portion of the shots already accepted here in the past are the most bland, ho-hum, I-took-a-picture-of-a-plane-sitting-on-a-runway shot. That is what Johan specializes in. Catalogue shots. Please include the date and registration number if possible.

And even if your shot, or my shot, is not to other's liking, that still is irrelevant to your pasttime. Nobody is paying you for your work. Until they do, and we know airliners.net never will, I suggest that you shoot for yourself and edit for yourself.

You will become a better photographer by continually taking new and different shots and practicing what you haven't practiced before. I was just out today and shot 18. They were all dramatic, up-close shots. Most I will toss. But the ones I got right, in that split-second moment, will be posted at Webshots when they are developed and you can critique them there. None of which will ever see the light of day at airliners.net.

Good hunting!

Hmmmm...

Topic: RE: What Am I Doing Wrong?
Username: Brick
Posted 2000-09-25 06:07:19 and read 3223 times.

Hmmmm...

I'm getting really tired of your pissing and moaning in this forum. If you don't like this website and its photo acceptance criterian then WHY THE HELL ARE YOU STILL AROUND? This forum would be more pleasant for other users if your presence wasn't here.

If you don't like the way this website is operated, then leave. Quit pissing, bitching, and moaning. Go somewhere else with it. I'm very tired of hearing about how great your photography is but we're just all too stupid and aren't artsy-fartsy enough to know that it's good. Go somewhere else to feel good about yourself and brag to others about how good you are.

If you are looking for a place so you can feel all touchy-feely about yourself, I suggest you try this link or this one.

If you are going to continue with your bad attitude, get the hell out of here.

Mark Abbott
Minneapolis, MN

P.S. You say that there are 500 photos of the same aircraft from the same angle? Fine, show me at least 5 photos on this site of the EXACT aircraft at the EXACT same angle...

Topic: RE: What Am I Doing Wrong?
Username: Danny
Posted 2000-09-25 07:18:06 and read 3204 times.

Okay guys, first of all - back off! Put yourself in Mark's place...some of you might have been lucky and gotten acceted the first time you tried, but most of us don't. So please understand that Mark is angry and frustrated.

Damn! So am I! I've been trying over and over again to upload some pics and they won't just get accepted. That Monarch 752 - I've tried lots of different things to fix the pic, (and no USAir, the sky isn't blue enough.) but it still won't get up there...so I really understand the frustration and anger... I'll post my pics later so you can explain them to me...I just don't get it.

Mark - hang in there and don't give up, oki?

/Danny

Topic: RE: What Am I Doing Wrong?
Username: Nscaler
Posted 2000-09-25 07:59:18 and read 3204 times.

Danny - I think you are confusing Mark with someone else. He pretty much knows what he is doing  

Saul

Topic: RE: What Am I Doing Wrong?
Username: Mirage
Posted 2000-09-25 15:14:55 and read 3195 times.

You can be frustated because your photos are not accepted, I can live with that and understand it.

But who do you think you are to come here and call us robots working for Airliners.net? or telling us how to be better photographers (based on your idea)? or telling us to shot for ourselves?

You don't know why I take pictures, for your information I take pictures the way I want in the most bizarre way if needed and I shot for myself since 1992. If these pictures are accepted in Airliners.net that's fine, if not then it's better wait for the next film to be developed.

If you call us robots then I would call you an arrogant person because you think everybody else must love the same you love.

BTW, your link doesn't work, I receive this message: "You do not appear to be the owner of this album.
Make sure you are logged in."

Luis, Faro, Portugal

Topic: RE: What Am I Doing Wrong?
Username: Administrator
Posted 2000-09-25 17:54:59 and read 3214 times.

Hmmmm...,

>Shooting for someone else's tastes will not make you a better photographer.

So you suggest I accept all photos that are sent in? I don't think you thought this through Hmmmm.... Read a previous discussion and my thoughts on this issue here.

Someone has to do the job and with all due respect, I think I'm at least as capable as anyone else.

>catalogue categories and one man finds it too artsy for
>his catalogue purpose


That makes no sense, we have loads of "artsy" photos. Try the "Great Shots" section.

>Click the link I provided in my previous post and check out Chanel No 5.

The link does not work so I can't comment on the photo.

>A good portion of the shots already accepted here in
>the past are the most bland, ho-hum,
>I-took-a-picture-of-a-plane-sitting-on-a-runway shot.

We specialize in aviation photos. If you think there's a lot of photos of a particular type, it's because those are the ones that are sent to us.

>Nobody is paying you for your work.

I like to think that a lot of the photographers on Airliners.net have been paid for their work. Photos from Airliners.net are used by thousands of publications worldwide as well as websites and news agencies like CNN, BBC, NBC, ABC etc. Everyone pays for the usage rights.

But I hope that money isn't everything. Maybe the fact that you get to bring happiness to a lot of people by showing them your photos means something?

I know that's what's important for me. Airliners.net is just a hobby of mine and the cash the banners bring in are sufficient to pay for hardware, Internet connection and such. My passion for aviation and the fun of running a website is what makes me going.

Cheers,
Johan

Topic: RE: What Am I Doing Wrong?
Username: AUS_Spotter
Posted 2000-09-25 19:46:32 and read 3186 times.

Hmmmm...,

>Shooting for someone else's tastes will not make you a better photographer.

I don't shoot for someone else's tastes. I take the pictures I want to take, from the angles I want and have in the photo what I want to have. If Airliners.net doesn't accept them, I don't worry about it. If they are rejected for low quality, I'll rescan and edit them and try again. The main problem I see with your photo that you posted is that the quality of the scan is very low. It doesn't look sharp and appears too grainy. I've uploaded photos that I myself thought were questionable as far as the shot itself, but were accepted by Airliners. However, I made sure the quality of the scan was the best I could get.

A lot of people enjoy uploading photos to Airliners.net. Stop telling everyone to leave and go elsewhere.

Jason Knutson - Austin, TX

Topic: RE: What Am I Doing Wrong?
Username: USAir_757
Posted 2000-09-25 20:10:46 and read 3185 times.

Johan has a taste for GOOD aviation photos,and I accept that. And there are plenty of "artsy" photos here on airliners.net. Please go here:

http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?specialsearch=COOL&static=yes

to view them. Study these photos, and try to shoot that way. THAT is what makes you an excellant photographer. I was recently at MHT shooting photos. I got some [hopefully] awesome shots. One had a plane awaiting takeoff, one landing in front of it, and another taxiing to the terminal. ALL in the frame. THAT is the true "art" in aviation photography ! !

The best time to go to the airport for spotting is a monday or a friday. It's always busiest then.

>A lot of people enjoy uploading photos to Airliners.net. Stop telling everyone to leave and go elsewhere.

Well said, Jason! ! ! !


Regards,
C. Wassell

Topic: RE: What Am I Doing Wrong?
Username: Ab.400
Posted 2000-09-25 21:02:27 and read 3179 times.

I think that the quality-standard for having a picture taken into the data-base has become somewhat high. In my opinion this has it´s good and it´s bad sides. A good one is, that you very often get a crisp picture for your request when you use the search-engine ( for example you want a picture from the plane on which you had your last flight )  
A bad side is, that you sometimes don´t even get any picture ......  
From an aesthetical point of view I am very attracted to a sharp and crispy image-quality ( I don´t care about AC, airline, location....etc ) , and from an aviation-enthusiast-in-general point of view I am very attracted to as much variety as I can get ( I care for an particular AC, airline, location, angle...... etc )
Both together would be hard always to match.
I think pictures which are at least in an acceptable quality should be uploaded for an extension to the search-engine but don´t appear in the newest entry section.
This would bring more " Live " atmosphere to you when you use the search engine, which is probably one of the most used items on this side.


Topic: RE: What Am I Doing Wrong?
Username: USAir_757
Posted 2000-09-26 01:44:08 and read 3161 times.

I do agree with that. I'd love to see more photos from Allentown-Bethlehem-Easton(ABE / KABE) airport. I'd also REALLY LOVE to see some photos of INSIDE Indianapolis International (IND / KIND) airport's terminal, taken BEFORE 1995.(I have been searching for these since early this year, and have searched TONS of sites - no success  )

Cheers,
C. Wassell

Topic: RE: What Am I Doing Wrong?
Username: Hmmmm...
Posted 2000-09-26 03:43:03 and read 3161 times.

Well, look like I touched some nerves. That's what happens when you say things the way they really are, but things that are not supposed to be said. That's what I'm good at. But for every hot head that pops his cork, there's three others nodding their heads and smiling in front of their monitors.

Never did I tell submitters to leave airliners.net. I suggested that they explore other forums as well for their work rather than put all their emotional eggs in one basket. Who could argue with that?

I think the rejection procedure needs to be re-evaluated. The notice should state why the photo was rejected, specifically, not a generic form letter. That does no good. If a photographer takes the time to edit and upload a shot to this site, the owner should take the time to explain why the shot was not accepted and include a suggestion as to what, if anything, can be done to change that. Very simple.

If Johan says he's too busy to do that for every submission and simply has to mass mail out rejection notices for one of a hundred reasons why the photo was rejected then, yes, my contention stands.

You gentlemen are slave robots working in a cataloge archive department.

And all because you think that an accepted photo at airliners.net is some type of divine vindication that you are a photographer. Or worse, a rejected photo becoming condemnation that you have produced a poor photo unfit for this site.

The advice I gave you about widening your perspective about your photography would be echoed by any photographer. But none of you are willing to say the things I said, and the way in which I said them. But with 100,000 photos already here, and 700,000 already rejected, it wouldn't take much of a crack for Johan to dump your next shot into the round file.

The tragic consequence of this rejection, of course, is that you would conclude from this that your photo had no merit. And that's where most of you are likely to be wrong. But you'll never know it. Because you are not shooting, editing, nor thinking for yourself.

Hmmmm...

Topic: RE: What Am I Doing Wrong?
Username: FastGlass
Posted 2000-09-26 03:44:06 and read 3151 times.

Last time I checked, this was an Airliner photo database, NOT an artsy-fartsy photo gallery. I assume that's why the "Great Shots" library was created. Some photogs go for the dramatic and others strive for clean sharp scans of registered aircraft. Either way, it is the photogs choice to upload or not. If they are rejected, so be it. After all, it isn't OUR site!!!

Topic: RE: What Am I Doing Wrong?
Username: Hmmmm...
Posted 2000-09-26 03:52:27 and read 3158 times.

Here's the fixed link to some of my first shots. Others coming soon. click

In way your right, FastGlass. This is an airliner photo database, not a photo gallery. My mistake.

Hmmmm...

Topic: RE: What Am I Doing Wrong?
Username: Nikonman
Posted 2000-09-26 03:58:20 and read 3153 times.

Hmmm...

Someone needs to go out to Anger Managment Class now!!



Topic: RE: What Am I Doing Wrong?
Username: Mirage
Posted 2000-09-26 04:06:08 and read 3156 times.

I saw your pictures, some are very nice but I don't understand why do you think they are so special or unique and why do you cry so much, anyone can photograph a tail of a plane flying over you.

I can also tell "things the way they really are, but things that are not supposed to be said. That's what I'm good at" also.

Luis, Faro, Portugal

Topic: RE: What Am I Doing Wrong?
Username: Qantas737
Posted 2000-09-26 05:15:22 and read 3141 times.

I am also not happy with my photos being rejected but thats life! I can tell you that the photos that have been chosen over mine are of very high quality. But i will have to agree with Louis about you thinking your photos are so unique! They may be unique to you but to us others they may not be. My Swissair MD-11 photos are a good example of that!

http://photos.yahoo.com/supra_101

Have a look at those I have rescanned them since putting them up and I believe they are much better looking now. I'll just have to wait and see won't I, and If they are not accepted I won't whinge and complain!

Topic: RE: What Am I Doing Wrong?
Username: Hmmmm...
Posted 2000-09-26 06:25:10 and read 3127 times.

There is nothing fatally wrong with any of those shots in your gallery. If they were rejected as they are, then you have to ask why were they rejected.

Which comes to the crux of the matter at hand.

They were most likely rejected because Johan had no need for more Swissair MD-11s sitting at a gate, or need for more commutor props. There is nothing so wrong with any of those photos that they should not be added simply on technical merit. So you should have been informed of that. But I surmise you weren't.

The fact that they were not added is not grounds for complaint. What is grounds for complaint is if you got a rejection notice telling you that your shots were NOT ADDED because of "poor image quality". Then you every right to question the whole process behind the selection process.

Which is what I have done in this thread, and some good has come out of it I hope.

Never did I say that my shots are so great they deserve to be on Airliners.net.

I argued that my shots were NOT of poor quality, and that they were good enough to be included.

So you did well. As did I. You put them on the internet anyway. And others may enjoy them. Of the handful of photos I uploaded just two days ago, three have already been downloaded into someone's harddrive for them to enjoy, or maybe even use. Shudder the thought. That's the whole reason why you take photos and upload them onto the Internet. So that others can see and perhaps download. Give all the photos that you believe are good enough for Airliners.net a chance elsewhere, if Airliners.net has no desire for them. Do not hang your head in shame wondering why you are such a lousy photographer.

That's all I'm advocating.

I think Johan should help the photographer by indicating why he felt that the shot did not deserve to be added.
Then you, as the photographer, can then make an informed decision as to whether you agree and will make the necessary changes, if it is an editing issue, or whether Johan simply doesn't want the photo because he thinks it inferior, or whether it is because he just has no interest in it for his website.

This would be much better way of going about things. And while it will take more time to type out two sentences indicating why it was not included, it will also save Johan time. Because he might not have to deal with that same photo being uploaded 5 times for nothing if the issue is that he just doesn't like the photo. And then having to get around and send the same e-mail notice 5 times in return. And you, the photographer, won't have to wait 5 days for each time it gets summarily rejected.

I assume all the photographers would like to know the candid reason why their shot was not added. It makes a big difference to know that. It will save time, energy, and aggravation. For both Johan and you.

Hmmmm...

Topic: RE: What Am I Doing Wrong?
Username: USAir_757
Posted 2000-09-26 07:11:04 and read 3123 times.

Well instead of wasting your time writing 30+ lines posts, why not try re-scanning those photos, re-editing them, and sending them in again. Use 150 dpi, and the unsharp mask with the clipping(threshhold) set to 10. THat will sharpen edje details, but it won't sharpen undesired grain. When I do that, it usually does the trick. I can't guarantee anthing though. The only reason I don't have many photos on right now is because I don't get to the airport all that often. I just got about 10 shots today. Hopefully i'll be able to develop soon.

Cheers,
C. Wassell

Topic: RE: What Am I Doing Wrong?
Username: Administrator
Posted 2000-09-26 14:11:41 and read 3134 times.

Hmmmm, this is getting silly. You sound like a spoiled child, whining when he doesn't get what he wants.

>you say things the way they really are,
>but things that are not supposed to be said

Yes, you're quite a hero, aren't you...  

>The notice should state why the photo was rejected,
>specifically, not a generic form letter.

I am fully aware of that the message can be improved on and I am working on that. I am not getting paid teaching you about photography though and I refuse to be your teacher. If you want me to give you detailed info on what you're doing wrong and how to fix it, well sorry, that won't happen. I run a website. A website that is a hobby of mine and a SERVICE NOT A RIGHT. If you want to better your photo skills, take a course in photography or something.

>Here's the fixed link to some of my first shots.
>Others coming soon. click

Hmmmm, the photos are, in my opinion, of very poor quality. They are horribly blurry and dark. I'm sure you've heard that already though in the automatic confirmation message you got. Now you want me to tell you WHY they are poor? How the hell should I know?? It can be caused by your camera, your scanner, your photo technics, your bad ass attitude or a combination thereof. The only one that can improve them is you. If you think that I'm wrong, that's fine, go start your own site. I can't give you any special favours just because you whining that wouldn't be fair to the others.

>They were most likely rejected because Johan had no
>need for more Swissair MD-11s sitting at a gate, or
>need for more commutor props.
...
>The fact that they were not added is not grounds for
>complaint. What is grounds for complaint is if you got
>a rejection notice telling you that your shots were
>NOT ADDED because of "poor image quality".

There's about 15 different rejection reasons right now and I'm working on making it 20. Those are the most common 20 reasons for rejection. If non of those cut it, I can write a "personal comment" describing what's wrong. If the photos you're talking about were rejected because of the scan quality, that's what the automatic mail will say. If there was another reason, that will be included instead. Clear?

>I think Johan should help the photographer by
>indicating why he felt that the shot did not deserve to
>be added.

This is actually what I'm trying to do, even though the "teacher" comment above still stands. The more detail the automatic email can contain, the better. As mentioned, the reasons for a poor photo are not easy for me to know but I believe I should work to get the messages to, in more detail than now, explain WHY they are rejected.

Johan

Topic: RE: What Am I Doing Wrong?
Username: Danny
Posted 2000-09-26 14:44:17 and read 3119 times.

Okay, good people...why don't we all just calm down and forget everything? Mark, just keep trying and you'll get them up there someday.

Johan - sheesch! I've never seen you so pissed! Not even at me!   But I sorta understand you...

--- OFF TOPIC ---

Now that I've got you here - have you read my posts about the humor forum? I (we) would really like to see such a forum...couldn't you be an angel and make one? Pleeeeeease?

Regards,
Danny

Topic: RE: What Am I Doing Wrong?
Username: Lauda 777
Posted 2000-09-26 18:58:21 and read 3101 times.



Hmmmm.....: When I started to upload photos to airliners.net It took a while (couple of mounts) for me to get ONE single picture accepted. But the happines I felt after that was so great. So just try to rescan and reupload..The effort is worth it to get the bloody picture accepted!

Johan:
Thanks for a great site and keep up the good work! Airliners.net rockar fett!!! I understand you completly

Danny:
I agree with you about the humor forum, that could be a nice and fun forum!


I proud to be a swede. One of the thing that doing me proud to be a swede is Airliners.net


Btw.
I got my first no-warnings photo accepted a couple of days ago:


Click for large version
Click here for full size photo!

Photo © Jonas Holst



Yeaahhaaaa!!

Mark, when you get your first photo accepted you can look back and laugh at this topic  

Come on mate...Don´t give up, you´ll make it!


Cheers,
Jonas. Stockholm

Topic: RE: What Am I Doing Wrong?
Username: USAir_757
Posted 2000-09-26 21:56:01 and read 3094 times.

Hmmmm...: It took me 2 and a half months to get a photo accepted!!!!!!!!!! Stop with this bullcrap and just follow the orders here. Trust me. Do a search for USAir_757. You WILL see my complaint when I first came here. Being un-teachable is not goingto get you far, anywhere. Just ask these guys(excluding Johan, he's too busy) for help, and they'll be glad to give it to you! also come in the airliners.net chat...i'm in there a lot and i'll be glad to help you there.

Cheers,
C. Wassell

Topic: RE: What Am I Doing Wrong?
Username: Mirage
Posted 2000-09-26 22:06:03 and read 3098 times.

The point here is the scanner, you may have good photos but if your scanner is bad don't loose your time trying to upload. It seems to be the case but anyway, with your bad attitude this is the last advice I give.

Topic: RE: What Am I Doing Wrong?
Username: AUS_Spotter
Posted 2000-09-26 23:35:44 and read 3089 times.

Hmmmm...

First of all, I don't see what you think is so special about your photos. Anyone here could probably take those kinds of pictures.

Second, every one of those photos has a chance at being on Airliners.net if you'd spend some time making better quality scans. The pictures are too dark and blurry (at least in my opinion).

What do you mean by "scanning for someone elses tastes"? What's wrong with Johan wanting good quality scans that are clear and have proper color balance?

Jason Knutson - Austin, TX

Topic: RE: What Am I Doing Wrong?
Username: USAir_757
Posted 2000-09-27 00:00:18 and read 3084 times.

Hmmmm...:

Please look at this pic.

http://www.geocities.com/aviationspotter/usair-a319.jpg

The following was done to get that image how it looks now(And i'll be doing this whenever possible,from now on):

• Scanned at 150 DPI
• Saved as a BMP
• Color balanced
• Sharpened using the Unsharp Mask tool. Set it to the following: Radius: 1 | Strength: 100% | Threshhold: 10

Note that depending on your software, "Threshhold" may be called "Clipping".

Here are some tips for the actual shooting:

• NEVER shoot into the sun, unless it's a sunset shot.
• Keep the sun behind your shoulder as much as possoble, whenever possible.
• Try to keep the aircraft centered.
• You can have some sky, but try to keep the aircraft filling at least 70% of the frame,unless you want to get more then one aircraft in the shot.

For some types of photography, not centering the subject and not filling the frame are OK, but for aviation photography, it's not OK. Any aviation photographer will tell you this.

Follow these guidelines, and I can tell you that you WILL get photos on airliners.net ! !

Cheers,
C. Wassell

Topic: RE: What Am I Doing Wrong?
Username: Ckw
Posted 2000-09-27 01:24:42 and read 3082 times.

"I assume all the photographers would like to know the candid reason why their shot was not added. "

Unsharp and poorly scanned. Simple. These reasons are included in Johan's standard reply. I think if you can't see how these general remarks might apply in your case, there is little hope in your learning. I would also suggest that for someone who clearly values their photography so highly, a little time spent removing dust and scratch marks would not go amiss.

Finally, I'm sorry I don't get the point about "working for Johan/airliners.net". Of course we are, as we would for any magazine editor or other photographic client. But of course, A.net is not my only "client" - and if Johan gets rich out of all this, more power to him! (though I doubt he will). He's not taking money out of my pocket - on the contrary he's giving me the opportunity for another shop window, which I for one appreciate.

Cheers,

Colin

Topic: RE: What Am I Doing Wrong?
Username: Hmmmm...
Posted 2000-09-27 04:06:02 and read 3087 times.

This is not getting silly, Johan. It is getting to the crux of the matter of your whole business. Welcome to the thread.

The photos you saw at webshots were all blurry and dark? Be honest now. That is just your anger talking.

I scan using proper resolution and I use the despeckle and sharp feature like everybody else. If those photos are still all "blurry and dark" to you, then I was right not to bother trying to upload anymore after you rejected the first one.

I'm not asking for photography lessons. There is nothing wrong with the photography of those shots. I'm asking you to make it possible for all photographers to know the reason why you rejected their photo. Which is something you admit you are already working on.

Remember, it is the photographers that gave you the material to make this site. By your own admission, you don't own a scanner and haven't uploaded a single picture yourself.

In the future, you should give more respect to the amatuer photographers and make it easier for them to give you the material that you need to make your site possible. And that begins with the rejection notice procedure. I can help you design one that will prevent this thread from happening again.

If I didn't tell you, nobody would have. So now that you have popped your cork, put it back in and let's get to work.

Hmmmm...





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Topic: RE: What Am I Doing Wrong?
Username: FastGlass
Posted 2000-09-27 04:22:17 and read 3080 times.

As with other similar threads, these posts/complaints may not be silly, but rather redundant. Photog "A" has problems with uploads whilst Photogs "B" and "C" don't seem to complain as much as you do.

If you want to display your 'excellent' photos, start your own website and you can judge from the response you get (if any). Until then, just deal with it. From what you have read, you aren't alone...

Don't rag on it here, the Webmaster (Johan) is in charge and he shouldn't have to listen to your crap (ala an earlier post).

Topic: RE: What Am I Doing Wrong?
Username: Mirage
Posted 2000-09-27 04:35:56 and read 3085 times.

You're so funny, first you come here talking about your photos and now you changed your arguments using all the photographers backup.

I don't give you permission to speak in my name so speak for YOURSELF.

Luis, Faro, Portugal

Topic: RE: What Am I Doing Wrong?
Username: Administrator
Posted 2000-10-03 05:40:54 and read 3049 times.

Sorry for that outburst Hmmmm..., I should not have written that post in anger.

I am aware of that the photo upload and process systems can be improved upon and I am constantly working on that. It's quite difficult though so please have patience.

I do belive your photos on Webshots are blurry and dark. With experience and training, I am sure you will be able to improve the quality of your scans. I have seen it many times before and if you try to adopt a more humble attitude I have no doubts that you too will be able to improve the quality substantially.

I also noticed the old photo section. I'm sure a few of those shots would be accepted with no problems due to their age and rarity.

Good luck,
Johan

Topic: RE: What Am I Doing Wrong?
Username: 777boy
Posted 2000-10-08 06:42:51 and read 2968 times.

Thought that I would share my knowlege since I had a situation similar to yours.

Trying using unsharp mask with a radius setting of .5 instead of 1 and sharpening two or three times. This reduces the grain while sharpening.

Try this, hopefully it will work.

Matt

btw, using this method, jumped my picture total from 3 to 45 in about 3 days. Check out my photos by searching for Matt Lave.

Topic: RE: What Am I Doing Wrong?
Username: Qantas737
Posted 2000-10-08 07:28:33 and read 2967 times.

Hmmmmm..... I have now gotten 4 pics accepted on airliners.net! If you keep trying you'll get there. I tried my first upload around the same time, but rather then wondering what to do and tell people about your problems, I went and tried as many different possibilites with my scanner and programs to fix the photos up and it has all worked out well for me now. Currently have 4 photos 3 without warnings and one had a warning, but hey I'm happy! Now all I need to do is take some more photos  

Just keep trying, you'll get it


Click for large version
Click here for full size photo!

Photo © Thomas Madsen



Click for large version
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Photo © Thomas Madsen



Click for large version
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Photo © Thomas Madsen



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Photo © Thomas Madsen




The Australian Air Express BAe 146-100 was the one that was given a warning.

Topic: RE: What Am I Doing Wrong?
Username: Hmmmm...
Posted 2000-10-13 05:15:50 and read 2947 times.

Believe you me, I have spent a lot of time scanning and editing my photos. Many hours. I've re-scanned some of the shots that I thought needed it and have tried a myriad of resolution and image size combinations. And I've experimented with unsharp mask and sharpen continuously.

To date, my three main albums on Webshots have been opened over 450 times and there have been over 108 instances where a photo was downloaded by someone.

I'm happy with that.

Hmmmm...


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