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Topic: How Do I Do This In Photoshop?
Username: airkas1
Posted 2011-11-16 14:00:14 and read 5765 times.

Hi guys,

Sorry if this is a dumb question, but I really don't know how to do this.
I've made the following pic tonight:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2073152/PH-KBX_GRQ_16-11-11kj.jpg

I think I can safely say that I managed to get the white balance quite nicely and the only thing I want to adjust is getting some more lively colors; meaning I want to get the orange a bit more orange to have it "pop out" a bit more.
But when I add (example) +20 saturation, I get this:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2073152/PH-KBX_GRQ_16-11-11kj---2.jpg

The result is the overall image has more orange in it, which is logical, but not what I want. I just want the orange part more orange, the color of the apron is perfect in the first pic and it needs to stay that way. I usually have trouble with this when it comes to night photos and I hoped one of you knows a/the solution. I don't think selecting the areas would help, since it will make the edges of the area look iffy?

Thanks,

Kas

[Edited 2011-11-16 14:06:40]

Topic: RE: How Do I Do This In Photoshop?
Username: Psych
Posted 2011-11-16 14:21:41 and read 5751 times.

Hello Kas.

Not sure how this would look, but is it worth trying initially to make a copy layer of the first image, then add a layer mask? Add the saturation to the copy layer, which of course then saturates the whole thing. Then click on the layer mask icon to add one to that layer, make sure that is selected, and paint away what you have just added to everything except the areas where you want the saturation to remain. By painting away on the layer mask you will be exposing the original, unsaturated, colour from the background copy layer beneath (use brush with background colour set to black). You could zoom in and change brush size to ensure that you could be precise with the removal of the extra saturation.

You could also do it the other way around, and add the saturation in such a way that you 'paint that in', as opposed to painting away in the method above. I had to go and remind myself what to do here - this time apply saturation to the copy layer as before, but this time hold 'Alt' key when you click the layer mask icon, which brings up a black layer mask, instead of a white one (i.e. this hides what you have just done). Then with a brush using background colour white you can paint in what you had applied to the copy layer to get the saturation only for the areas you want to affect.

Both ways round get the same outcome - it is just whether you use a white layer mask, so the content of the layer is visible, and you paint with brush set with black to hide, or use black layer mask, which hides the layer, and then paint with brush set to white, to reveal what you have done. I agree making a selection would cause problems with the edges etc, but this way would work if you were prepared to really zoom in and be precise with your painting.

Cheers.

Paul





[Edited 2011-11-16 14:51:09]

Topic: RE: How Do I Do This In Photoshop?
Username: moose135
Posted 2011-11-16 14:46:41 and read 5742 times.

When you adjust the saturation in PS, rather than making your changes on the "Master", chose one of the color choices from the drop-down. That will allow you to bump the saturation on only the colors you want. Did you shoot in raw? I usually make those sort of changes in Adobe Camera Raw, using the Hue and Saturation sliders.

For example...
http://www.moose135photography.com/Airplanes/QANTAS-707/i-89TRc42/0/L/JM20111025N707JT009-L.jpg

When I adjusted the white balance to correct for the ugly yellow ramp lights, the red was very flat and dull. Playing with the sliders helped bring it back to a redder look.

Topic: RE: How Do I Do This In Photoshop?
Username: photopilot
Posted 2011-11-16 15:24:06 and read 5729 times.

Everybody always overthinks the problem. Have a look at this edit I did in Photoshop.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y55/Steve_YYZ/Misc_Photos/PH-KBX_GRQ_16-11-11kj.jpg

Now, it's easy and quick to do. You have a perfectly straight line from edge to edge separating the tarmac from the aircraft. Use the Polygonal Lasso Tool to select a straight line across just a fraction above the tarmac line, then around the outside edge of the image to select the bottom tarmac only. Now Feather it by 4 or 5 pixels. Then Inverse to change the selection to the top half, add your saturation to the aircraft, the re-inverse and take out color from the tarmac to make it look nice and grey and you're done.

Topic: RE: How Do I Do This In Photoshop?
Username: INNflight
Posted 2011-11-16 16:57:03 and read 5700 times.

Hi Kas,

It's a lot easier & faster than fiddling with lasso tools or layers.
I am not in front of a computer at the moment, but what you want to use is Image > Adjustments > Selective Colour. Forgive me if the menu names are wrong, but you know where I'm going.

Klick on something orange, choose the tolerance and add saturation. Tadaa!

Topic: RE: How Do I Do This In Photoshop?
Username: vikkyvik
Posted 2011-11-16 17:00:18 and read 5698 times.

I'm not in front of Photoshop right now, but I think the "Vibrance" slider might do what you want (either that or "Clarity", I forget).

I also forget if t

Quoting INNflight (Reply 4):
Hi Kas,

It's a lot easier & faster than fiddling with lasso tools or layers.
I am not in front of a computer at the moment, but what you want to use is Image > Adjustments > Selective Colour. Forgive me if the menu names are wrong, but you know where I'm going.

Klick on something orange, choose the tolerance and add saturation. Tadaa!

The problem with that, as far as I remember (I'm also not in front of PS) is this:

Quoting airkas1 (Thread starter):
The result is the overall image has more orange in it, which is logical, but not what I want.

He only wants to add the orange saturation to ONE PART of the image, not the whole thing. Selective color, while obviously being selective in color, will still affect the whole image. So if you increase the orange saturation, the orange color in the apron will also be increased in saturation, which is what he's trying to avoid.

At least that's how I remember it.

Topic: RE: How Do I Do This In Photoshop?
Username: RonS
Posted 2011-11-16 18:05:21 and read 5683 times.

Quoting photopilot (Reply 3):
Everybody always overthinks the problem.

Here is an even simpler method. Just leave as is, looks great  

Topic: RE: How Do I Do This In Photoshop?
Username: darreno1
Posted 2011-11-16 21:49:18 and read 5644 times.

Since there is enough contrast between the orange and white areas, I was able to select the orange area with the Magic Wand. It was easy once I zoomed in. If you work with a larger image it should be even easier. Once you have all the orange selected you're free to do whatever you want at that point without affecting the rest of the image.

Topic: RE: How Do I Do This In Photoshop?
Username: lh526
Posted 2011-11-17 04:54:18 and read 5553 times.

That's what I came up with after running it through my personal (Reuters adopted) Photoshop actions.
Is that what you want?

Topic: RE: How Do I Do This In Photoshop?
Username: airkas1
Posted 2011-11-17 07:11:45 and read 5523 times.

Quoting RonS (Reply 6):
Here is an even simpler method. Just leave as is, looks great

Haaah, thanks Ron!  
Quoting lh526 (Reply 8):
Is that what you want?

Yes, that's what I'm looking for! That color orange looks so much better, more vibrant etc. Compared to your edit, I noticed my edit has a more yellow cast over it. Is that the key? Or how did you do it?

I'll try all the above suggestions aswell, just to see what works best for my taste. Thank you all so much!

Topic: RE: How Do I Do This In Photoshop?
Username: airkas1
Posted 2011-11-17 12:09:00 and read 5450 times.

After some correspondence with another member of this board I found some functions in the RAWeditor that I wasnt yet aware of!  

Newer version:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2073152/PH-KBX_GRQ_16-11-11kj---betereversie.jpg

Looks much better in my opinion and I what I was aiming for. Only 1 question; how does the sky in the upper right corner look?

[Edited 2011-11-17 12:09:34]

Topic: RE: How Do I Do This In Photoshop?
Username: cooltouch
Posted 2011-11-20 23:10:03 and read 5202 times.

First thing I noticed was the tarmac has an orange tinge. This MUST go. So, I got rid of it. Then I punched up the saturation in the reds channel. That was it.

I just joined this forum, and I'll be dinged if I'm gonna pay these people money just to upload a photo. So you'll have to take a look at it here, at my very own website that costs me less than this place.

http://michaelmcbroom.com/images/aircraft/airliner1.jpg

Doesn't have to be so difficult. Just get rid of that ugly orange cast to the tarmac, then bump up the saturation for the reds. If it looks like it's spilling over into the whites, then boot the "curves" function, click on the eyedropper for white and click on a white area of the plane. That will probably take care of that problem.

Topic: RE: How Do I Do This In Photoshop?
Username: vikkyvik
Posted 2011-11-21 22:47:24 and read 5104 times.

Quoting cooltouch (Reply 11):
I just joined this forum, and I'll be dinged if I'm gonna pay these people money just to upload a photo. So you'll have to take a look at it here, at my very own website that costs me less than this place.

Not to be a dick, and not to sidetrack the thread, but from the signup page:

Free Photographer Account
Photographers upload photos can enjoy a free membership. You can upgrade to our First Class or Premium membership at any time.
This membership includes:
Access to the Aviation Photography forum
An Airliners.net profile
Creation of photo albums

Topic: RE: How Do I Do This In Photoshop?
Username: spencer
Posted 2011-11-22 03:15:33 and read 5083 times.

Cooltouch, check your sky out, it's seriously flawed, at least on the screen I'm viewing it on.
Spence

Topic: RE: How Do I Do This In Photoshop?
Username: airkas1
Posted 2011-11-22 04:15:58 and read 5077 times.

Quoting spencer (Reply 13):
Cooltouch, check your sky out, it's seriously flawed, at least on the screen I'm viewing it on.

Same here, also a bit too blue imo. Thanks for trying to help though.
I've already put an edit in the queue, so we'll see what happens in ~5 days  

Topic: RE: How Do I Do This In Photoshop?
Username: cooltouch
Posted 2011-11-22 13:29:56 and read 5004 times.

Quoting spencer (Reply 13):

Yeah, you're right Spencer. That's what I get for editing images on my laptop. The sky looks like crap. Still, you guys get my point about getting rid of the orange in the tarmac. Right?

Vikkyvik -- thanks for the clarification. All I know is when I tried to u/l a photo, I got hit with a note about having to upgrade to post a photo. I'll try again next time. I have one in the queue somewhere I uploaded for review. Haven't heard back on it yet. Maybe once they approve an image, the u/l process will be available? Hey I'm new here and this forum is different from any others I've been on.

Topic: RE: How Do I Do This In Photoshop?
Username: dlowwa
Posted 2011-11-22 21:18:19 and read 4959 times.

Just a quick note to those suggesting selecting and changing only the color of the tarmac; please do not use this type of editing on anything uploaded here, it is considered bad editing, and if caught will result not only in a rejection, but a warning/suspension.

Quoting cooltouch (Reply 11):
I just joined this forum, and I'll be dinged if I'm gonna pay these people money just to upload a photo.
Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 12):
Not to be a dick, and not to sidetrack the thread, but from the signup page:

Vik, I think he was referring to the ability to upload photos to your profile in order to post them in the thread, not the ability to submit photos for addition to the db, which is of course free. In this case any free photo hosting site would work; I use imageshack for example.

Quoting cooltouch (Reply 15):
I have one in the queue somewhere I uploaded for review. Haven't heard back on it yet.

You might want to have that image (Tigercat right?) checked out first in the Feedback forum to avoid any unpleasant surprises when it ends up being screened.

Quoting cooltouch (Reply 15):
Maybe once they approve an image, the u/l process will be available?

No, if you are reffering to the ability to post to your profile, that is a pay feature, but like I said, any free hosting service will work just fine.

Dana

Topic: RE: How Do I Do This In Photoshop?
Username: vikkyvik
Posted 2011-11-22 23:14:16 and read 4950 times.

Quoting dlowwa (Reply 16):
Vik, I think he was referring to the ability to upload photos to your profile in order to post them in the thread, not the ability to submit photos for addition to the db, which is of course free. In this case any free photo hosting site would work; I use imageshack for example.

Ahhh, well in that case I apologize, Cooltouch. I just assumed you were talking about uploading photos to the database, so ignore my reply if that's not so!

Thanks for the clarification Dana.

Topic: RE: How Do I Do This In Photoshop?
Username: darreno1
Posted 2011-11-23 20:42:35 and read 4866 times.

Quoting dlowwa (Reply 16):
Just a quick note to those suggesting selecting and changing only the color of the tarmac; please do not use this type of editing on anything uploaded here, it is considered bad editing, and if caught will result not only in a rejection, but a warning/suspension.

Can you expand on this? What's so special about the tarmac? And how is it any different from changing just the orange portion of the aircraft or changing the overall color balance? I also don't see how you can 'catch' someone with this edit if you weren't there to witness the actual color of the tarmac or see the raw pic.

[Edited 2011-11-23 20:46:29]

Topic: RE: How Do I Do This In Photoshop?
Username: dlowwa
Posted 2011-11-23 21:13:21 and read 4856 times.

Quoting darreno1 (Reply 18):
What's so special about the tarmac?

Nothing. I was simply advising against selective color changes to any part of an image. We regularly see people trying to edit only the sky, for example, to make it darker or a deeper shade of blue. If done poorly or without subtlety, it is easy to notice. If noticed, a warning is usually issued, and if repeated, then one's ability to upload is suspended. If someone wants to take the risk of being banned simply to have the sky appear more blue, or a tail more vibrant, that is their choice, but I thought it might be a good idea to spell out the possible consequences.

Topic: RE: How Do I Do This In Photoshop?
Username: vikkyvik
Posted 2011-11-23 21:47:57 and read 4850 times.

Quoting dlowwa (Reply 19):

Out of related curiosity, is the use of filters like polarizers and gradients also against the upload rules?

Topic: RE: How Do I Do This In Photoshop?
Username: dlowwa
Posted 2011-11-23 22:13:23 and read 4845 times.

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 20):
Out of related curiosity, is the use of filters like polarizers and gradients also against the upload rules?

If they are applied digitally in processing, yes. Using an actual CPL on your lens should be fine, though it would be wise to include a note letting us know that is what you have done. Something like a graduated neutral density filter is a bit more of a gray (ha!) area, and I would definitely recommend including a note if you upload a shot taken using a such a filter. We've had a number of people recently who have uploaded shots that have had (digital) gradient filters used on the sky, and those people have been warned not to use them (the Photoshop versions) in the future. The few who didn't heed the warning have been suspended.

Topic: RE: How Do I Do This In Photoshop?
Username: vikkyvik
Posted 2011-11-23 22:47:00 and read 4842 times.

Quoting dlowwa (Reply 21):

Gotcha, thanks. I was referring to actual physical lens filters, not the digital equivalent.

Topic: RE: How Do I Do This In Photoshop?
Username: yianniskatehis
Posted 2011-11-26 06:29:44 and read 4714 times.

Here is a tip:Use magic wand tool to copy only the Aircraft and make a new layer on top of the main picture...Then adjust seperatly the aircraft contrast hue saturation etc and then the backround...if you do it as one picture you will never get perfect color in both...I use the Layers technique to repaint Aircraft for FSX and take my word for it its the only and best way not to confuse the program....

Topic: RE: How Do I Do This In Photoshop?
Username: airkas1
Posted 2011-11-27 04:30:17 and read 4629 times.

Well, it got accepted   . Sorry for the plug, but I felt like showing the final result, since so many people offered their opinions and help. Thanks!!

Before:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2073152/PH-KBX_GRQ_16-11-11kj.jpg

After:

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Photo © Kas van Zonneveld


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