Print from Airliners.net discussion forum
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/aviation_photography/read.main/376035/

Topic: Website Stealing Images- Warning, And Advice?
Username: NPeterman
Posted 2012-08-09 19:59:04 and read 8055 times.

Hello All,

I am sure we have all seen the rash of Facebook pages illegally using images these past few months. As disturbing as they are, the idea of a website in the USA knowingly, and willingly hosting images that have been stolen and illegally re-posted is even more egregious. Yet that is exactly the situation that I, and I suspect more unknowing photographers, find ourselves in. As such, I am writing first to warn photographers to check out Patricksaviation.com for stolen images of their own, and second to ask for advice.

I first became aware of the stolen image (URL : http://www.patricksaviation.com/photos/SAS73/42397/ ) a day or two after it was posted. At that time I immediately used the contact feature on the website to notify them of the situation. It would seem that at least one of their users subscribes to the fallacy that giving credit and having approval to use a photo are one in the same, which many of us know is far from the truth. Now, more than two weeks later, and after emailing the owner of the website himself, as well as commenting on the image requesting its removal, nothing has been done. They have not even taken the time to issue a response.

I'll admit that this is a very new situation for me, andI know my options are likely limited at this point, but I would love to hear other people's thoughts and ideas on the issue. I know that none of us like to see our images used sans permission. I can only hope that a little awareness, and perhaps discoveries of new images posted without permission will lead to the site fulfilling it's legal obligations to take down illegally posted pictures.



Regards,

Nick Peterman

Topic: RE: Website Stealing Images- Warning, And Advice?
Username: GEEZER
Posted 2012-08-09 23:15:43 and read 8013 times.

Nick;

I think the real problem is, the world has become full of people who have no morals, no integrity, no respect for other people's rights, no appreciation for craftsmanship or talent, etc. etc. etc. In other words............the world is rapidly going to "pot"; ( for lack of a better term )

Of all the things that people post on the internet, I can think of nothing that is a bigger target for thieves than photographs. Of course the music industry went through the same thing, but they were much better equipped to deal with the problem.

At the end of the day, I would say that the only way to prevent people from stealing photographs is to avoid posting them on the internet. Regardless of where you exhibit your work, I can assure you that if someone takes a liking to it, they will either copy it or steal it. Huge companies have very "deep pockets"; the thieves are aware of this, so they're slightly less prone to stealing or copying ideas, designs and so on, from people who are apt to spend large sums of cash "going after" them. But even this is by no means a guarantee; a case in point:

My best friend is a large vendor and rents out vendor space to many more vendors every year at a very large festival; for the past three years, the single most successful vendor has been a couple of young "asian" fellows; their "product"?

Ladie's "designer" purses and clothing; all "knock-offs" of Coach, Gucci, and a few more "high end" companies.
these fellows take in so much money in just 10 days it's unbelievable; ( even though my friend increased the rent last year by 50% ) Even more incredible is.........near the end of last year's festival, another "asian"fellow approached my friend and said he wanted to rent that space "next year", and offered DOUBLE what these fellows would be paying, even after yet another increase in rent. ( I'm very anxious to see what happens this year ! )


In contrast to that, here's an example that's quite different;

I have another friend who owns a big campground; he has a restaurant which he only opened on Sat. night; every Sat. night a group of fellows would get together and play "country music"; no one got paid, it was all "just for fun".
after maybe 4 or 5 years, he received a registered letter from the R.I.A.A. ( that may or may not be the exact "title", but it's a very "real" organization which controls the exhibition of all copy righted music. The letter stated.......based on his number of seats in his establishment, he was required BY LAW to pay a certain amount per year, otherwise they would "take legal action" !

This friend is not the type you can make threats against ! his "position" was..........."screw them" ! But he just happened to have a high -dollar attorney in his family, so he asked him about this; here's what the attorney told him;

Pay them IMMEDIATELY ! You even get to set the amount; otherwise, these people have "been around" for 30 or 40 years now, they have brought hundreds of court cases against people who have refused to pay........and they have NEVER LOST a case yet ! ( My friend decided to "pay up" ! )

It seems that about 95% of all music is "controlled" this way, the only exception being, that which is in the "public domain"..........( real old songs that no one even knows who wrote them anymore )

So as long as you exhibit photography on any internet site, you're very likely to have this problem.

Charley

Topic: RE: Website Stealing Images- Warning, And Advice?
Username: eskillawl
Posted 2012-08-10 02:59:22 and read 7977 times.

Now a days people feel relaxed in stealing photos, that other maybe has worked hours on - but they can't go in to an artstore and steal a painting. That's the problem, on the internet everyone thinks that they are anonymous.

Perhaps a mandatory watermark on the picture to solve the problem, or remove the function that allows you to right click on Airliners.net. I know that the people stealing will continue stealing pictures anyway, but maybe it makes it more difficult for them. Regars.

Topic: RE: Website Stealing Images- Warning, And Advice?
Username: NPeterman
Posted 2012-08-10 13:59:01 and read 7891 times.

Thanks all for the advice! Its a frustrating situation to say the least, and one that seems increasingly unlikely to see resolution. It is impossible to get results when your communications are ignored it would seem.

Topic: RE: Website Stealing Images- Warning, And Advice?
Username: stevemchey
Posted 2012-08-10 16:07:04 and read 7873 times.

Quoting NPeterman (Reply 3):
It is impossible to get results when your communications are ignored it would seem.

Au contraire, my friend.  

It looks like the site is hosted by GoDaddy (according to WhoIs.net), which means you can contact GoDaddy and inform them that one of the sites they are hosting infringes on your copyright. To do so, take a look at GoDaddy's Copyright Infringement Policy.

Part B describes the steps necessary for you to claim copyright of the images you mentioned above. Make sure you provide them with all six pieces of information, otherwise they will disregard the claim.

Topic: RE: Website Stealing Images- Warning, And Advice?
Username: srbmod
Posted 2012-08-10 16:12:33 and read 7870 times.

Quoting eskillawl (Reply 2):
Perhaps a mandatory watermark on the picture to solve the problem, or remove the function that allows you to right click on Airliners.net. I know that the people stealing will continue stealing pictures anyway, but maybe it makes it more difficult for them. Regars.

Watermarks can be easily removed with most photoediting software. People can write scripts to allow right-clicking (I used to use such an extension several years ago on Firefox.) and folks could simply press the print screen button on their keyboard and crop as needed. For every means of protection, there is a workaround.

Topic: RE: Website Stealing Images- Warning, And Advice?
Username: Silver1SWA
Posted 2012-08-10 17:11:30 and read 7864 times.

Quoting srbmod (Reply 5):
Watermarks can be easily removed with most photoediting software. People can write scripts to allow right-clicking (I used to use such an extension several years ago on Firefox.) and folks could simply press the print screen button on their keyboard and crop as needed. For every means of protection, there is a workaround.

Both methods would at least make things more difficult than say, getting a first class membership and just downloading images watermark-free despite the photographer wanting watermark protection.

If the user can easily obtain a copy, at least keep the watermark there to make it more difficult to use illegally.  

Topic: RE: Website Stealing Images- Warning, And Advice?
Username: NPeterman
Posted 2012-08-10 21:12:09 and read 7842 times.

Before getting too confrontational, I decided to attempt one last appeal to their collective decency and see if they'd pull the image.

We'll see if this : http://www.patricksaviation.com/forums/thread.php?t=4226 , manages to generate any response without taking more drastic measures.


Thank you all to those who have responded thus far!

Topic: RE: Website Stealing Images- Warning, And Advice?
Username: stevemchey
Posted 2012-08-10 21:45:45 and read 7837 times.

Quoting NPeterman (Reply 7):
Before getting too confrontational, I decided to attempt one last appeal to their collective decency and see if they'd pull the image.

Nicely worded post on their site. Very eloquent and to the point. Hope it gets you results.

Topic: RE: Website Stealing Images- Warning, And Advice?
Username: NPeterman
Posted 2012-08-11 10:58:52 and read 7806 times.

Thanks Steve, I do too. I'm not to convinced that it will, but I believe giving them another chance was worth it.


The messages in this discussion express the views of the author of the message, not necessarily the views of Airliners.net or any entity associated with Airliners.net.

Copyright © Lundgren Aerospace. All rights reserved.
http://www.airliners.net/