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Topic: Spotting At LAX
Username: michiganatc
Posted 2012-09-15 07:12:55 and read 7348 times.

When spotting at the In & Out Burger for Runway 24R, where is the sun at for this time of year around 12 noon? Basically, if I am there this Thursday September 20th at 12:00pm, would all my pictures be looking into the sun? If it is, would I be better off going to Long Term Parking "Lot C" instead? If I remember correctly, pictures are only good at In & Out burger after about 3pm year round, is this correct?

Topic: RE: Spotting At LAX
Username: Andrew50
Posted 2012-09-15 10:14:15 and read 7291 times.

At that time of day it would be best to be on south side of 24R. Getting late in the year for the sun to be good for In and Out shots.

Topic: RE: Spotting At LAX
Username: vikkyvik
Posted 2012-09-15 15:35:15 and read 7254 times.

Quoting michiganatc (Thread starter):
If I remember correctly, pictures are only good at In & Out burger after about 3pm year round, is this correct?

No. That's true for the summer. In the winter, photos from the In'n'Out will be backlit, unless you walk to the south side of the approach like Andrew suggested.

With that said....

Quoting michiganatc (Thread starter):
Thursday September 20th at 12:00pm

Noon isn't a good time to be taking photos. The sun will be high up in the sky. Especially from the In'n'Out, where you'll be looking up at the airplanes.

Topic: RE: Spotting At LAX
Username: unattendedbag
Posted 2012-09-17 10:06:32 and read 7176 times.

Quoting michiganatc (Thread starter):
Basically, if I am there this Thursday September 20th at 12:00pm, would all my pictures be looking into the sun?

Are you hoping to get shots of the Shuttle?

Topic: RE: Spotting At LAX
Username: vikkyvik
Posted 2012-09-17 10:40:15 and read 7171 times.

Quoting unattendedbag (Reply 3):
Quoting michiganatc (Thread starter):
Basically, if I am there this Thursday September 20th at 12:00pm, would all my pictures be looking into the sun?

Are you hoping to get shots of the Shuttle?

I hope not from the In'n'Out! It'll be arriving on the south side....

Topic: RE: Spotting At LAX
Username: michiganatc
Posted 2012-09-18 14:33:48 and read 7104 times.

Yes, to see the shuttle.

It's doing a low pass on runway 24R at 11:10am at 500AGL.

Then it is doing a low pass on runway 25L at 11:50am followed by a full stop.

It's the same times as Thursday, just a day later now, supposedly.

I just didn't know if photos would be better from the South of the runways looking North or the opposite for this time of day.

Thanks for the input!

Topic: RE: Spotting At LAX
Username: unattendedbag
Posted 2012-09-18 16:44:02 and read 7092 times.

see if this works.

http://www.suncalc.net/#/34.0374,-118.2657,10/2012.09.18/12:00

Topic: RE: Spotting At LAX
Username: vikkyvik
Posted 2012-09-18 18:35:20 and read 7079 times.

Quoting michiganatc (Reply 5):
Yes, to see the shuttle.

It's doing a low pass on runway 24R at 11:10am at 500AGL.

Then it is doing a low pass on runway 25L at 11:50am followed by a full stop.

Ahh, I had no idea it was doing all that! Do you have a link? Want to see where else in LA it's doing flyovers.

Quoting michiganatc (Reply 5):
I just didn't know if photos would be better from the South of the runways looking North or the opposite for this time of day.

Since you'll be looking up at a considerable angle, the light won't be great from either side. But it'll be better on the south side looking north.

Topic: RE: Spotting At LAX
Username: michiganatc
Posted 2012-09-18 20:13:11 and read 7071 times.

No link, just what I was told by local officials as of late Friday. I'll let you know if I hear of any changes!

Topic: RE: Spotting At LAX
Username: chrisair
Posted 2012-09-18 22:24:29 and read 7059 times.

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 7):
Do you have a link? Want to see where else in LA it's doing flyovers.

Per the LA Times, they're flying over Disneyland and Getty amongst other places.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...over-disneyland-getty-shuttle.html

I'm torn between heading out to SF or LA to see it.

Topic: RE: Spotting At LAX
Username: unattendedbag
Posted 2012-09-24 08:54:04 and read 6746 times.

I'm very surprised to only see 3 LAX Shuttle photos from that day. Didn't anyone else get pictures?


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Topic: RE: Spotting At LAX
Username: vikkyvik
Posted 2012-09-24 09:38:55 and read 6739 times.

Quoting unattendedbag (Reply 10):
I'm very surprised to only see 3 LAX Shuttle photos from that day. Didn't anyone else get pictures?

Yup. Mine was rejected.  

Topic: RE: Spotting At LAX
Username: Silver1SWA
Posted 2012-09-24 09:48:13 and read 6735 times.

Quoting unattendedbag (Reply 10):
I'm very surprised to only see 3 LAX Shuttle photos from that day. Didn't anyone else get pictures?

Check the regular queue. Apparently the final flyover and landing was the least significant part of Endeavours final journey.

Topic: RE: Spotting At LAX
Username: waketurbulence
Posted 2012-09-26 07:14:40 and read 6638 times.

Chris Heaton's shot is from NorCal. I've seen hundreds of shots online from aviation photographers, many of whom don't upload to Anet. There are some terrific angles with Downtown LA, Hollywood Sign, etc as a backdrop. Air quality and heat haze were pretty bad so that may be limiting acceptances, and I know several people who just haven't uploaded it yet but probably plan to do so in the future. I look forward to seeing more shots though. It was the most memorable flight I have ever witnessed at LAX.
-Matt

Topic: RE: Spotting At LAX
Username: sovietjet
Posted 2012-09-26 07:28:44 and read 6634 times.

Yes and don't forget all the shots from Houston, Plant 42 and Edwards AFB! There really is a lot of coverage of this event throughout the internet, even more so than the JFK arrival in April I'd say. Too bad there's not that much on a.net but I think we will see more in the future as people upload it.

Topic: RE: Spotting At LAX
Username: Silver1SWA
Posted 2012-09-26 07:33:11 and read 6633 times.

Quoting waketurbulence (Reply 13):

Chris Heaton's shot is from NorCal. I've seen hundreds of shots online from aviation photographers, many of whom don't upload to Anet. There are some terrific angles with Downtown LA, Hollywood Sign, etc as a backdrop. Air quality and heat haze were pretty bad so that may be limiting acceptances, and I know several people who just haven't uploaded it yet but probably plan to do so in the future. I look forward to seeing more shots though. It was the most memorable flight I have ever witnessed at LAX.
-Matt


Priority screening was cut short for Friday's portion of Endeavour's journey. I'm sure many shots, mine included, are sitting in the regular queue. I think John was pointing out that he was shocked to only see a couple of shots from Friday when the other days got so much immediate coverage.

Topic: RE: Spotting At LAX
Username: unattendedbag
Posted 2012-09-26 11:59:42 and read 6602 times.

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 15):
Priority screening was cut short for Friday's portion of Endeavour's journey.

I was wondering what had happened... I can't understand why a few ramp shots of the Shuttle at Titusville were priority screened and the same favor wasn't granted to the arrival shots at LAX. Let me rephrase that, "wasn't granted to all arrival shots at LAX for the mandatory and fair 24 hours after the first upload."

Priority screening began for the "mating" of the 747 and Shuttle in Florida at midnight on the 17th. And didn't end until 0900 on the 19th. That's 1 "event" with an 57 hour priority window.

Priority screening for the landing "event" at LAX lasted all of 1 second. 3 photos were accepted together and none after.

Why?

[Edited 2012-09-26 12:01:34]

Topic: RE: Spotting At LAX
Username: chuck9941
Posted 2012-09-26 12:18:19 and read 6593 times.

Agreed with all above. I submitted a shot for priority Sat morning and was emailed that Endeavour was no longer eligible for priority screening. Shot is currently sitting in the queue but due to the terrible atmospheric conditions and my recent editing challenges will probably result in a rejection. My shots are from near Disneyland but just have blue sky background so nothing to really set them apart. Either way having seen it and photographing it even if not acceptable to A.net standards is something nice to have.

Topic: RE: Spotting At LAX
Username: n314as
Posted 2012-09-30 15:23:59 and read 6367 times.

Use this gudeline -

For Winter -

The best public location is the Imperial Hill. Many times, it can provide nice artistic shots and
the further takeoffs are even with you.

At the Proud Bird, you can do approaches but they are not pro level quality because you see too much underneath
the plane.

Another suggestion for winter is to book at a hotel that faces north. There is one with a top terrace and if you stay there, you can get nice even-level shots with nice background of buildings etc.

One more is to pick some bridge and then get an artsy shot of the plane over the traffic. It is a neat shot but you will be chased out eventually so you have to do these quickly and get out of the way.


For summer -

The In n Out can provide you artistic shots with some sun. The pro level shots at In N Out would be those that are coming straight at you where you can see the pilots and those very wide angle shots of the plane flying over and you see the In n Out or people pointing to it. In other words, a ground reference is needed in order to make it pro level. Just the planes themselves are way too high and you are way too underneath. Pick something to show ground references.
Also at this location, sometimes vapor and vortex shots can be made with the inversion layer starts to settle from the west.

Also, going back and forth along the north end can get you nice landing and rotation shots in the afternoon light but you cannot stay in any location for long as you will be chased. You may want to "ride a bike" or "jog" back and forth but with a lighter camera and lens.

One other try is to shoot from a parking deck near the Ralphs market which will give you nice approaches looking north to south but again, you may be told to leave. It all depends on how lucky you can get.

If you write for a magazine or are a professional photographer, you can write to the airport to see if you can get special access to ride with ramp people. Some photographers do this and they do not even write for magazines or anything just use the photos for their personal gain. If you do something the chances get easier.

One last thing is you can hire those helicopters or private pilots who take people up in the air to do the famous "air to ground" shots that everyone is doing now. Sam Chui did not invent them (these were common with news helicopter and movie shots in the past) but he did make them popular on airliners.net as he was one of the first to do them for the net and he gave away the secret - so for a few dollars, you can get those dramatic air to ground shots that you see here which scores big ratings.

These are a few suggestions.

Topic: RE: Spotting At LAX
Username: andrew50
Posted 2012-09-30 19:46:54 and read 6350 times.

Quoting n314as (Reply 18):
If you write for a magazine or are a professional photographer, you can write to the airport to see if you can get special access to ride with ramp people. Some photographers do this and they do not even write for magazines or anything just use the photos for their personal gain. If you do something the chances get easier.

Good luck trying to do that! I am not sure who the people that have all kinds of ramp access at LAX know, but I have made phone calls, sent e-mails and never have had one response.

Topic: RE: Spotting At LAX
Username: WSTAKL
Posted 2012-09-30 21:20:06 and read 6336 times.

Quoting n314as (Reply 18):
One last thing is you can hire those helicopters or private pilots who take people up in the air to do the famous "air to ground" shots that everyone is doing now. Sam Chui did not invent them (these were common with news helicopter and movie shots in the past) but he did make them popular on airliners.net as he was one of the first to do them for the net and he gave away the secret - so for a few dollars, you can get those dramatic air to ground shots that you see here which scores big ratings.

Do I sense a taste of bitterness here?!

Topic: RE: Spotting At LAX
Username: vikkyvik
Posted 2012-09-30 22:02:02 and read 6330 times.

Quoting n314as (Reply 18):
At the Proud Bird, you can do approaches but they are not pro level quality because you see too much underneath
the plane.
Quoting n314as (Reply 18):
pro level
Quoting n314as (Reply 18):
pro level
Quoting n314as (Reply 18):
pro level

OK, not to be a dick, but what's with all the "pro level" stuff???

I'm terribly glad I ignored all that stuff when I started shooting. Otherwise, I would have come away with FAR fewer shots that I'm very happy with. And certainly some less unique ones.

There are people (my guess would be the majority on this site), who do this for fun, rather than a profession.

FYI, the one shot I've sold (I don't exactly go looking for sales opportunities) was one that you wouldn't consider "pro-level" by any means.

That all sounds way more confrontational than I mean it to sound, so sorry about that.

Quoting n314as (Reply 18):
Sam Chui did not invent them

Not sure anyone has ever claimed he did....

Topic: RE: Spotting At LAX
Username: sovietjet
Posted 2012-10-01 06:02:28 and read 6308 times.

I wouldn't expect the people who have done ramp and next to runway photos at LAX to just go ahead and post in here who to contact and how to get this access. Then entire a.net would flood this contact with requests. Think about it, would you do it if you knew how and who?


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