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Topic: Selling Photos To Magazine Companies
Username: dman15333
Posted 2012-11-12 11:26:57 and read 6162 times.

Hi,
I am new to Airliners.net, but I have been a planespotter for many years and have many pictures(yet to upload)

I see on Airliners.net that many people get their photos published in aviation magazines, such as Airliner World, I am wondering, how do the publisher find the photos, do you have to send them photos, or do they search this site, or is there another way they find pictures.

Thanks

Topic: RE: Selling Photos To Magazine Companies
Username: dazbo5
Posted 2012-11-12 11:51:02 and read 6164 times.

Quoting dman15333 (Thread starter):
I am wondering, how do the publisher find the photos


It's a combination of both; sometimes the magazine will email asking for your photos to illustrate a story they are running with, or if you feel you have a newsworthy photo(s), send them in to the magazine editor with a note explaining what it is you're sending and the associated story. They may or may not be interested. They have to be good quality photos and have a relevance to aviation news or a story they are running to stand a chance of being used.

Darren

Topic: RE: Selling Photos To Magazine Companies
Username: joshu
Posted 2012-11-12 19:53:06 and read 6163 times.

I have found that if I just post them through the regular screening process, publishers will find them and request usage.

Topic: RE: Selling Photos To Magazine Companies
Username: dman15333
Posted 2012-11-13 08:51:45 and read 6163 times.

''I have found that if I just post them through the regular screening process, publishers will find them and request usage.
''

Do you mean post them here on airliners.net?

Topic: RE: Selling Photos To Magazine Companies
Username: dazbo5
Posted 2012-11-13 11:58:22 and read 6163 times.

Quoting dman15333 (Reply 3):
Do you mean post them here on airliners.net?

I think joshu meant photos that are accepted on to the photo database. Photo's speak for themselves. If a magazine wants a particular photo, they'll find what they want one way or another whether it's looking on databases like Airliners.net or via their own sources. Concentrate on building a collection and getting a few on the database so they are out their before you worry yourself with having some published.

Darren

Topic: RE: Selling Photos To Magazine Companies
Username: joshu
Posted 2012-11-13 14:00:39 and read 6163 times.

Quoting dazbo5 (Reply 4):

I think joshu meant photos that are accepted on to the photo database. Photo's speak for themselves. If a magazine wants a particular photo, they'll find what they want one way or another whether it's looking on databases like Airliners.net or via their own sources. Concentrate on building a collection and getting a few on the database so they are out their before you worry yourself with having some published.

Nailed it

Topic: RE: Selling Photos To Magazine Companies
Username: moose135
Posted 2012-11-13 16:41:54 and read 6163 times.

Quoting dazbo5 (Reply 4):
If a magazine wants a particular photo, they'll find what they want one way or another whether it's looking on databases like Airliners.net or via their own sources.

And then they will ask to use it without payment, since they "don't have a budget for photography..."

Don't ask me how I know.

Topic: RE: Selling Photos To Magazine Companies
Username: dazbo5
Posted 2012-11-13 23:54:02 and read 6163 times.

Quoting moose135 (Reply 6):
Don't ask me how I know.


I don't need to! We all get those, it's just part of having photos on a photo database. In all the years I've been selling photos, I've only had 1 that didn't pay after supplying a photo, but the vast majority are reputable. I must get at least 3 or 4 emails per month asking for free photos. It's a simple answer though, do they give their products away for free? And if they have no budget, they don't get any of my photos. It's their loss, not mine. The problem then lies with someone eventually will give a photo away for free. It might not be the first choice of photo, but when people do eventually give them away for free just to see them in print, it spoils it for the rest of us. It's the choice of the photographer, they have every right to do that if they wish, but they have to consider the bigger picture, pardon the pun or it becomes expected to give them away for free, hence the excuses we now see in emails.

Darren

Topic: RE: Selling Photos To Magazine Companies
Username: johnmiller
Posted 2012-11-15 11:09:37 and read 6163 times.

Thing is with payment is there are many magazine editors out there who don't have great photographic literacy and thus will choose a picture based on price rather than quality. Consequently supplying a picture free of cost doesn't always mean it is good. Payment for a picture is the best way to value its quality. The title of editor does not necessarily bestow a sharp eye for good photos either, especially in the UK, where there's very little effort to raise photographic standards and give outsiders an opportunity to get published.

There are other considerations. Editors are usually very busy and harassed with deadlines - they burn out pretty quickly. Sending in an arbitrary picture that requires further research will most likely be reason for it to be ignored. All pics need captions, data and some kind of story to go with it as well as being relevant to the magazine's editorial style.

I always believe there are numerous opportunities to get pictures published as magazines don't have the time, inclination or budget to send staff around the country, so seizing a photo opportunities from a newsworthy event generally stands a better chance of having something published.

Just don't do it for free.

Topic: RE: Selling Photos To Magazine Companies
Username: ckw
Posted 2012-11-15 15:24:26 and read 6163 times.

Quoting johnmiller (Reply 8):
Thing is with payment is there are many magazine editors out there who don't have great photographic literacy and thus will choose a picture based on price rather than quality.

To some extent I think that's irrelevant - the majority of reputable mags in the UK (at least those from the big publishing houses) will normally have fixed rates for an image depending on size and placement. I think where quality comes second is in relation to the story. Above all the image needs to be relevant to the articles being run in that issue.

These are challenging times for magazines - advertising revenue has been dropping. For freelancers, this may be an opportunity as some mags have been forced to drop staff photographers. But again, no matter (almost) how good the pic, its worthless unless it illustrates the article.

You can also help yourself by being professional, quick and above all reliable. Editors HATE time wasting - if you get a reputation for delivering the goods, editors will start contacting you for shots, and possibly assignments. I have been told by one editor that he didn't like using sites like A.net because some people are slow to respond, or send images which look fine on screen, but are not good enough for print. This can lead to time wasting and missed deadlines.

One thing to think about - what format are most aviation pics shot in? Landscape. What format is a magazine cover?

At a rough guess, I would say I have sold roughly equal amounts of portrait and landscape shots, even though I have shot far more in landscape format (though I should say I don't often contribute to aviation mags anymore). The picture editor of the title I work most for says in every story brief "make sure you shoot plenty of portrait format"

One final thought - become a specialist ... pick a niche and learn it inside out. Chasing after "special shots" is (unless you have very special access) unproductive ... if only because you will be competing with many others. When I was shooting mostly aircraft, I sold far more pics shot at local grass strips than I ever did from the big airports or airshows. Learn as much as you can about your chosen niche - it will help with captioning, help you predict sellable shots - and maybe even lead to an article commission.

Cheers,

Colin

Topic: RE: Selling Photos To Magazine Companies
Username: johnmiller
Posted 2012-11-15 23:27:45 and read 6163 times.

Quoting ckw (Reply 9):
Above all the image needs to be relevant to the articles being run in that issue.

Well, I guess to a certain extent you are correct but I stay away from buying pictures if the quality is poor and if I can't illustrate a story with a decent image, the article will get dropped. Simple.

Topic: RE: Selling Photos To Magazine Companies
Username: ckw
Posted 2012-11-16 01:34:09 and read 6163 times.

Oh don't get me wrong - quality DOES matter ... any decent mag will have standards which must be met. What I was getting at is that people often submit a batch of their very best images to magazines and are disappointed when they're not accepted especially when they're better than pics the mag does use. What they are missing is the fact the images are simply not relevant to the magazine's needs.

Cheers,

Colin


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