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Topic: CF Card Problem / D60
Username: Paulianer
Posted 2003-05-23 06:58:45 and read 3410 times.

Hello everyone,

I hope you can help with that. Yesterday I had a strange problems with my D60 or the Sandisk 512 MB CF card. I was shooting a lot of pictures, but when I was home to download the data to my hardisk the camera says no pictures on CF card??? What happened here? When I switch on the camera it says that I can still make 8 exposures till the CF card is full, but no pictures on it???

That is a 512 MB card, so there must be some data on it when there are just another 8 exposures available.

Any suggestions what this could be or how I can solve the problem. I've made some really nice and rare pictures... It would be sad when the pictures are lost. The shots were taken at Lufthansa Technik in Hamburg, some nice shots from D-Checks etc...

I really need your help on this. Any chance to rescue the stuff?

Thanks for all your help in advance

Greetings
Tobi

Topic: RE: CF Card Problem / D60
Username: 2912n
Posted 2003-05-23 07:29:09 and read 3367 times.

Did you try to download direct from the camera to the PC? If so try using a card reader and download that way...

Conversly....if you used a reader, try downloading straight from the camera.

Tony

Topic: RE: CF Card Problem / D60
Username: Paulianer
Posted 2003-05-23 07:55:41 and read 3341 times.

I've tried to download directly from camera to PC, and that didn't worked... I don't have a card reader, but maybe my camera dealer could do me a favour...

Tobi

P.S: Any other suggestions?

Topic: RE: CF Card Problem / D60
Username: Gerardo
Posted 2003-05-23 08:30:35 and read 3309 times.

Another A.net forum member (who's on vacation right now) had the same problems. He was telled, that a software called "file recovery" could help.

No idea, what it is, but perhaps somebody else can help with this hint.

Regards
Gerardo

Topic: RE: CF Card Problem / D60
Username: Fly-K
Posted 2003-05-23 09:39:52 and read 3246 times.

Sorry to hear about it... hope you can still recover the pix.
Then again, it might be LH's secret anti-spy system that prevents you from taking photos of subjects you're not supposed to show online  Big grin

(Or did you ever see any of my pix from inside the LH hangars?)

Konstantin

Topic: RE: CF Card Problem / D60
Username: Paulianer
Posted 2003-05-23 09:51:50 and read 3227 times.

I really hope that I can recover the pics... But no success yet.. I've downloaded the above mentioned File Recovery programm as freeware, but it did't recognize the camera as a drive, so I guess I have to get/borrow a card reader for that...

Well, I had a special "personal" photo tour at LHT... They told me every time what I am allowed to shoot and what not and what I am allowed to upload to airliners.net and was not... It was really great, never thought that LH can be so fair and friendly to spotter/photographer... It was a really great time yesterday. One highlight was the climb to the top af an A340 tail, and believe me that is was amazing view and angle...

Tobi

Topic: RE: CF Card Problem / D60
Username: Chrisair
Posted 2003-05-23 09:54:53 and read 3214 times.

There's something from Lexar called Image Rescue. http://www.lexarmedia.com/dynamic-frameset_support.html?http://www.lexarmedia.com/digitalacc/rescue.html

I've never used it personally, but I hear it works rather well.

Topic: RE: CF Card Problem / D60
Username: JetTrader
Posted 2003-05-23 10:54:26 and read 3165 times.


Hi Tobi,

I have seen something similar on a Jessops CF reader which I sometimes use at work. It does not like "hot swapping" CF cards. My Lexar at home is fine but at work now I always reboot before inserting a card.

Ok...the problem. I put a card into the CF reader and it showed only images that were there earlier in the day - I had since taken another 20 shots or so of work colleagues (we were messing about with some stitching software) and these were not visible on the card at all.

I ran the old DOS chkdsk command against the card reader logical drive letter and it showed lots of space used in "lost sectors" - much more than the number of visible images would use. Running chkdsk with the /F (fix) option turned all these "lost sectors" into files which could then be renamed to .JPG (or .CRW) and viewed.

It seems that sometimes the drive "remembers" the directory/folder contents and just overwrites the new files on the CF card when you hot swap. You can recover the files but it is a little worrying when you first experience this.

Good luck!
Dean

Topic: RE: CF Card Problem / D60
Username: Ckw
Posted 2003-05-23 12:50:41 and read 3072 times.

Can't remember exactly what it was, but I had a file corruption issue very early on with my D60 - since then I have taken the precaution of ALWAYS formatting the card in-camera when putting a new card in and NEVER re-inserting a card with images I want to keep on it. Not had a problem since.

Dean - interesting comment on reader hot-swapping - I do this all the time (no reboots) and never had a problem ... peculiar to Jessops readers? Can't remember the name of mine at the moment, but it was cheap and begins with an "I" ... Imacon or something like that.

Cheers,

Colin

Topic: RE: CF Card Problem / D60
Username: JetTrader
Posted 2003-05-23 13:16:15 and read 3062 times.

Colin,

Like I said, no problems at all with my Lexar reader and I can hot-swap all I like with that.  Big thumbs up

It may well be a Jessops reader issue, it might be the combination of reader and operating system (I have Windows 2000 here at work but Windows 2000 Professional at home). I just take the precaution of rebooting the PC at work before I use the CF reader.

Also never had a problem with cards in my D60 (apart from a crappy Jenoptik 128Mb that doesn't register at all in the Lexar reader but is fine in the Jessops at work!) but I do make a point of always formatting cards in camera.

Cheers,
Dean

Topic: RE: CF Card Problem / D60
Username: Fly-K
Posted 2003-05-23 13:49:41 and read 3036 times.

Tobi, so what were you allowed to shoot and upload, and what not? (Just for my own reference...)

Konstantin

Topic: RE: CF Card Problem / D60
Username: Paulianer
Posted 2003-05-23 16:14:35 and read 2931 times.

Hi,

I've tried the file recovery program, but it recovers some pictures (bad quality) from my session in ZRH on 16th May 2003, the was the session before the Lufthansa Technik one yesterday... Very strange... Does that mean my shoots are lost???

@ Konstantin

I was allowed to shoot every LH plane, doesn't matter in which working step it was... I was allowed to shoot also every Lufthansa related airlines (Condor/Thomas Cook)... or Star Alliance planes... I've also got permission to upload them to airliners.net.

I also was allowed to shoot planes from Aeroflot, but I didn't got permission for these photos. They said: Keep it in and for your private collection.

All business and private/VIP jets were not allowed to shoot. Especially the 747-400 from Abu Dhabi Amiri Flight... Well I've never saw so many security guards around one single plane.

BTW and totally off topic, Konstantin I was told that you were on that plane, it was taken on 3rd May during the FRA meeting... Patrick (Sabena332) told me that you was flying to Madrid

View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Tobias Rose



Greetings
Tobi

Topic: RE: CF Card Problem / D60
Username: Joe pries
Posted 2003-05-23 16:25:35 and read 2920 times.

This is one reason I choose not to buy the 1GB microdrive and stay with my 340MB MD's. This way I spread the pain to 4 340's and if one is bad i havent lost an entire day's work.

Joe AT TEAM

Topic: RE: CF Card Problem / D60
Username: Fly-K
Posted 2003-05-23 16:29:51 and read 2916 times.

Tobi, these are the rules here in FRA too. So at least they are consistent.
What about aircraft planes outside the hangars?
Indeed, this was my flight to MAD  Smile and a nice one too, into a great weekend at MAD!

Konstantin

Topic: RE: CF Card Problem / D60
Username: Paulianer
Posted 2003-05-23 16:30:07 and read 2916 times.

Hi Joe,

I think the same about the Microdrive and untill yesterday evening I thought the 512 MB CF was just the maxium... Well I think I'll turn to some more 256 MB and 128 MB ones...

I'm still hoping to recover the shoots...

Greetings
Tobi

Topic: RE: CF Card Problem / D60
Username: Paulianer
Posted 2003-05-23 16:34:49 and read 2911 times.

@ Konstantin

The same rules for the planes outside the hangar... as long the planes are on LHT ground... When the planes leave that ground for example a test flight its "free" to shoot as long as you don't shoot the picture from the LHT ground... That's the way I shot the Abu Dhabi one on arrival day after touch down...

Tobi

Topic: RE: CF Card Problem / D60
Username: Paulianer
Posted 2003-05-23 16:51:46 and read 2918 times.

@ JetTrader / Dean

I've also tried the chkdsk command... But now I have 200 litlle *.chk files, what to do next?

Tobi

Topic: RE: CF Card Problem / D60
Username: JetTrader
Posted 2003-05-23 17:42:31 and read 2891 times.

Tobi,

You say little files - how little are they...?

My files when I did this were all about the size of one image file so renaming them all to *.JPG worked fine.

Try this at the DOS prompt (assuming you were shooting in JPG mode)...

ren *.chk *.JPG

The files should then open in any image processing software.

If the files are tiny then I don't know what to suggest...but they should be about the size of an image...

Good luck!
Dean

Topic: RE: CF Card Problem / D60
Username: Ckw
Posted 2003-05-23 18:00:10 and read 2893 times.

200 large/fine .jpg on a nearly full 512mb card sounds about right to me - you might be in luck.

I think there is a interesting balance between many cards or one large card. Personally, I used 2 x 256mb for a year which was OK most of the time, but when the action was fast and furious I found the card swap/laptop shuffle a little stressful ... and prone to potential disaster (did I copy that card to the laptop or not?  Smile )

Now have a 512 card as well I find this a more "relaxing" size to use - next decent photo sale, I'll buy a 2nd and relegate the 256 cards to emergency reserve status.

Cheers,

Colin

Topic: RE: CF Card Problem / D60
Username: Paulianer
Posted 2003-05-23 18:29:36 and read 2888 times.

The files are just too small, from 56KB to 466KB... When I rename the files it doesn't open (wrong format)....

Topic: RE: CF Card Problem / D60
Username: JetTrader
Posted 2003-05-23 18:34:49 and read 2869 times.

Tobi,

If the files are that small it suggests the directory information really got blasted. This looks very like the problem I had - maybe I was just lucky it was the same CF card that was previously in the drive...only with a few extra files.

If your directory info got blasted then the sector/directory info map will be shot - hence lots of assorted file sizes.

Sounds like your card really took a hit!  Sad

Topic: RE: CF Card Problem / D60
Username: Paulianer
Posted 2003-05-23 19:06:55 and read 2874 times.

Well, I've also tried the the File Recovery program mentioned above... That program recovered some shoots, but that was not the yesterday ones... That was from my session before yesterday, although I formatted the card with the camera before shooting started... Strange isn't it? Well seems that these greats shots are lost forever....  Sad

Thanks for all your help, if anyone has another idea, let me know...

Greetings
Tobi


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