AAGOLD From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 550 posts, RR: 47
Reply 9, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4995 times:
Andy, Andy, Andy ... et tu Andy!
Why me? I go shooting with JP and the next thing I know they're comparing our shots of the Frontier A319 at LGA and the Canon vs. Nikon wars are on. I go shooting with you and here we go again ... the never ending Canon vs. Nikon. Now you know that no matter what happens we aren't going to change a single opinion on either side. We never have that I know of.
Yes, I'm game of course. Like Andy I did very little to my pic. A little levels (notice more detail in the top of the wing nearest the fuselage and not so bright), crop, USM and my little color secret that I shared with you. And, in all honesty, I couldn't tell you which of the two skies looked like the one that day. Haven't the foggiest. It was a blue sky and both have blue skies.
Now, about the original image. Unlike Andy's mine was shot RAW and converted to HQ Jpg and is 5.9mb. So, being in ATL on a dial up no way I'm e-mailing that to anyone tonight. I can do it over the weekend.
Will these senseless wars never end? But, if they did we probably wouldn't have any fun anyhow, would we?
Let the wars begin.
P.S. Andy, in all honesty I fixed and submitted that photo because it was the one I liked best of the series. I had no idea that you had uploaded the almost identical shot. Had I known that I might have selected another. You did, however, manage to catch the damn beacon though ... you bugger!
Jwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4960 times:
Neither the photos here NOR the original files tell you anything at all.
With all digicams the original file is NOT meant as a benchmark, but as a starting point for digital manipulation.
The maximum achievable end result of that manipulation is what should be compared. That result should be achieved by a master in the craft without telling him the origin of the files (though a true master would probably recognise instantly the type of camera used from past experience) and having the same master do the best he can on both originals.
That is the only way to get rid of personal skill differences and preferences of different people.
Of course that still does not get rid of the differences in the used optics.
For that both cameras should be fitted with the same lens, which means using a 3rd party lens from for example Sigma or Tokina as those are the only ones that work on both camera brands (and if we include an SD9 in the test only Sigma remains).
AFAIK such a comprehensive comparison has never been executed because noone (least the camera manufacturers and their representatives) is interested in doing it, instead only wanting to show the superiority of their own favourite by comparing its output (highly optimised) with sub-optimal output from competing cameras.
Carlos Borda From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 538 posts, RR: 49
Reply 17, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4941 times:
Two words Sam.... "Soccer Hooligan". Those guys are fearless!
>>I just cannot believe Andy start another post like this after people such as BigPhilNYC already attempted to throw punches to him and he also said he was one of the most hated on A.net in EWR show??<<
Skymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4921 times:
OK, OK... I'm sorry.
I sent a postcard of my pic to Art, and I assumed he'd deliberately uploaded his pretty much identical shot, maybe just to provoke such a debate after all the gentle Canon vs Nikon ribbing that went on at Howard Beach last Sunday.
My raising the topic was therefore tongue-in-cheek - I had no real desire to start another Canon vs Nikon war because, as Art says, it'll never sway the dedicated user away from their existing equipment choice.
Photopilot From Canada, joined Jul 2002, 2958 posts, RR: 17
Reply 22, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4844 times:
It doesn't matter what "they" think of "your" photo. The question really has to be "are YOU satisfied with your purchase?" "Is your customer satisfied (assuming you have one) with the quality you provide to them?" Anything else is strictly subjective and debating the point ad-nausium is strictly a waste of oxygen.
Those that matter don't mind.
Those that mind, don't matter.
Skymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4824 times:
Steve, I think you're taking this topic far too seriously. Myself and Art, along with many others including Brian, Justin, Phil, Tom, Mike, etc spent the weekend taking pics together and there was a fair bit of light-hearted banter about Canon versus Nikon. Sure its spilled over into the forum, but Art provided the perfect opportunity to keep the wind-up going. Great thing is, despite the difference of opinions, we remained good friends - heck, I even had my picture taken holding a N... n... nnnnikon!