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Canon Vs Nikon Again  
User currently offlineSkymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4720 times:

Same place, same time, same subject

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One D100, one D60. You decide! Big grin

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User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9607 posts, RR: 69
Reply 1, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4645 times:
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to make an honest comparison we need to see the original files, I would be happy to host them on my website if you two are game.

User currently offlineMirage From Portugal, joined May 1999, 3122 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4625 times:

and one edited by Andy Martin and the other edited by Art Brett Big grin

Luis


User currently offlineSkymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4624 times:

Luis, all I did was crop, colour balance, resize, and USM. I've offered the original jpeg to Royal and asked Art if he's up for it too!

Andy


User currently offlineMirage From Portugal, joined May 1999, 3122 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4616 times:

I note the D100 grain, but that can be solved... I agree with Royal, let's see the original files.

Luis


User currently offlineSkymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4596 times:

http://www.andymartin.btinternet.co.uk/IMG_7756.JPG

Straight from the camera, no processing whatsoever. Warning - 1.2mb

Andy


User currently offlineSkymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4590 times:

PS: Despite this picture and anything Art might imply, there is simply NO truth in the rumour that my Concorde picture was taken with a Nikon D100 Big grin



Andy


User currently offlineMarco_polo From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 324 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4589 times:

Quality of D60 seems much cleaner.

Cheers - Jay


User currently offlineCkw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 730 posts, RR: 16
Reply 8, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4581 times:

D100 looks sharper, though noisier ... could it be the difference in the in-camera sharpening? Blues are quite different - be honest now guys, which closer matches the sky that day?

Cheers,

Colin



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User currently offlineAAGOLD From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 545 posts, RR: 50
Reply 9, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4552 times:
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Andy, Andy, Andy ... et tu Andy!

Why me? I go shooting with JP and the next thing I know they're comparing our shots of the Frontier A319 at LGA and the Canon vs. Nikon wars are on. I go shooting with you and here we go again ... the never ending Canon vs. Nikon. Now you know that no matter what happens we aren't going to change a single opinion on either side. We never have that I know of.

Yes, I'm game of course. Like Andy I did very little to my pic. A little levels (notice more detail in the top of the wing nearest the fuselage and not so bright), crop, USM and my little color secret that I shared with you. And, in all honesty, I couldn't tell you which of the two skies looked like the one that day. Haven't the foggiest. It was a blue sky and both have blue skies.

Now, about the original image. Unlike Andy's mine was shot RAW and converted to HQ Jpg and is 5.9mb. So, being in ATL on a dial up no way I'm e-mailing that to anyone tonight. I can do it over the weekend.

Will these senseless wars never end? But, if they did we probably wouldn't have any fun anyhow, would we?

Let the wars begin.

Art

P.S. Andy, in all honesty I fixed and submitted that photo because it was the one I liked best of the series. I had no idea that you had uploaded the almost identical shot. Had I known that I might have selected another. You did, however, manage to catch the damn beacon though ... you bugger!


User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7443 posts, RR: 62
Reply 10, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4556 times:
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Gentlemen, we have liftoff!

It was a pleasure watching the birth of this new war begin! :-P LOL

And Andy, send me those photos when you get a chance!  Big grin

Great finally meeting you!

And thanks to you both for coming out for the Travel Channel shoot. I think we truly have a chance of all being on it.



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User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9607 posts, RR: 69
Reply 11, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4545 times:
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Canon sucks open ass.

User currently offlineNonRevKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4544 times:

Royal! Don't tell me you're one of them! I had you pegged for a Canon-head. Most creative, witty, talented people are!

Ah well, nobody's perfect...

Brian - SPOT THIS!


User currently offlineBigphilnyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4076 posts, RR: 54
Reply 13, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4524 times:

To be honest, the only beef I have with Nikon is that it ALWAYS seems to require extra work adjsuting the levels nad brightness/contrast. Canon pics seem to come out with perfect light.

Jsut my opinion.

I'm surpirsed at this thread. Looks like trouble.  Big grin

-Phil



Phil Derner Jr.
User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9607 posts, RR: 69
Reply 14, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4514 times:
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If I was on a budget I would prob. go with Canon, but I'm not, so, I don't

User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 15, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4517 times:

Neither the photos here NOR the original files tell you anything at all.
With all digicams the original file is NOT meant as a benchmark, but as a starting point for digital manipulation.
The maximum achievable end result of that manipulation is what should be compared. That result should be achieved by a master in the craft without telling him the origin of the files (though a true master would probably recognise instantly the type of camera used from past experience) and having the same master do the best he can on both originals.
That is the only way to get rid of personal skill differences and preferences of different people.
Of course that still does not get rid of the differences in the used optics.
For that both cameras should be fitted with the same lens, which means using a 3rd party lens from for example Sigma or Tokina as those are the only ones that work on both camera brands (and if we include an SD9 in the test only Sigma remains).
AFAIK such a comprehensive comparison has never been executed because noone (least the camera manufacturers and their representatives) is interested in doing it, instead only wanting to show the superiority of their own favourite by comparing its output (highly optimised) with sub-optimal output from competing cameras.



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User currently offlineN178UA From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1670 posts, RR: 66
Reply 16, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4517 times:
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I just cannot believe Andy start another post like this after people such as BigPhilNYC already attempted to throw punches to him and he also said he was one of the most hated on A.net in EWR show??  Big grin



User currently offlineCarlos Borda From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 538 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4498 times:

Two words Sam.... "Soccer Hooligan". Those guys are fearless!  Big grin

~Los

Sam writes:

>>I just cannot believe Andy start another post like this after people such as BigPhilNYC already attempted to throw punches to him and he also said he was one of the most hated on A.net in EWR show??<<


User currently offlineSkymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4478 times:

OK, OK... I'm sorry.

I sent a postcard of my pic to Art, and I assumed he'd deliberately uploaded his pretty much identical shot, maybe just to provoke such a debate after all the gentle Canon vs Nikon ribbing that went on at Howard Beach last Sunday.

My raising the topic was therefore tongue-in-cheek - I had no real desire to start another Canon vs Nikon war because, as Art says, it'll never sway the dedicated user away from their existing equipment choice.

Oh well... Its done now  Sad

Andy


User currently offlineBigphilnyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4076 posts, RR: 54
Reply 19, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4428 times:

Nikon sucks and I will fight to the death until Canon reigns without question!

Ok, maybe not. I just like to look at plane pictures. How bout you? :-p




Phil Derner Jr.
User currently offlineSkymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4420 times:

How about me? How about you is the question. I think saying things like that Art's not going to be picking you up to go to the airport much in future! Big grin

Andy


User currently offlineBigphilnyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4076 posts, RR: 54
Reply 21, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 4391 times:

I'm torn. Tom let's me use his Canon and Art lets me use his Nikon. WHO DO I SIDE WITH!

I'll have to play on the fence until i get my 10D...I mean my D100. DAMN!




Phil Derner Jr.
User currently offlinePhotopilot From Canada, joined Jul 2002, 2720 posts, RR: 18
Reply 22, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 4401 times:

It doesn't matter what "they" think of "your" photo. The question really has to be "are YOU satisfied with your purchase?" "Is your customer satisfied (assuming you have one) with the quality you provide to them?" Anything else is strictly subjective and debating the point ad-nausium is strictly a waste of oxygen.

Those that matter don't mind.
Those that mind, don't matter.

Steve


User currently offlineSkymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 4381 times:

Steve, I think you're taking this topic far too seriously. Myself and Art, along with many others including Brian, Justin, Phil, Tom, Mike, etc spent the weekend taking pics together and there was a fair bit of light-hearted banter about Canon versus Nikon. Sure its spilled over into the forum, but Art provided the perfect opportunity to keep the wind-up going. Great thing is, despite the difference of opinions, we remained good friends - heck, I even had my picture taken holding a N... n... nnnnikon!

Andy


User currently offlineBigphilnyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4076 posts, RR: 54
Reply 24, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4365 times:

Yeah, this stuff is just a fun jab among friends, nothing to be taken seriously.




Phil Derner Jr.
25 AAGOLD : Yes, for sure. We are and always will be good friends regardless of the type camera we use. We just love the friendly banter and internal fight. Gives
26 Photopilot : Ok guys.... in the interest of good fun. Canon sucks Nikon Rules. Enough Said Steve
27 AKE0404AR : "Art writes: Surprised Joe. P hasn't jumped into this by now!" Guess "crooked eye inflight Joe" is busy doing some BBQ in his new backyard. Wow, now I
28 Joge : all I did was crop, colour balance, resize, and USM With all digicams the original file is NOT meant as a benchmark, but as a starting point for digit
29 Post contains images AKE0404AR : Have another one for you guys....... Vasco p.s. ain't this fun?????
30 JayDavis : Okay, we can just stop this arguement and thread dead in its tracks. Canon rules, Nikon sucks! It is simple as that. All of you Nikon users are just "
31 Mirage : I use Canon but I don't give a sh*t about this "wars", Jay if you watch National Geographic, see that Nikon is very very used. Luis
32 Post contains images Joge : Hahahah! Jay, I like your sense of humor! -Joge
33 Post contains images Wietse : Vasco, Great shot, but I think your lens is far superior.. Great one though! Too bad the weather was too bad for me to go to AMS when you came around,
34 JayDavis : The reason why National Geographic uses Nikon's is that they are part of the Smithsonian Museum if I remember correctly. This means that it is a gover
35 Post contains images Mirage : it looks one of those conspiracy theories Luis
36 Post contains images Boieng747-400 : Jay, Good theories Seriously speaking I must be one of the rare ones to have both Nikon and Canon photos on the database. Up to now I have had 3 Nikon
37 Post contains images Timdegroot : Wasn't national geographic the magazine that accepted kodachromes with dots on them? About sums it up what quality they expect Tim
38 JayDavis : Yes, exactly !! I think that National Geographic ONLY accepts kodachromes with blue dots on them. I bet that Joe Pries guy might actually get publishe
39 Jwenting : Jay, National Geographic photographers are supposed to buy their own equipment. Most therefore buy Nikon despite Kwanon being cheaper. Same reason NG
40 JayDavis : Hey Dude, lighten up; I've just been kidding about all of this subject matter. This debate will go on and on and on until the end of time, unless Niko
41 Joge : Jay, I thought you were shooting digital...?
42 JayDavis : I wish !! I'm still shooting film. I've got a Canon EOS 1VHS and until I can afford a "real" Canon Digital camera, I'm going to have to continue shoot
43 Post contains images AKE0404AR : Wietse, I had fun in AMS,even though the weather was not what I expected, but I'll be back next year in spring for another airside tour.... About the
44 JayDavis : Vasco, the EOS 1VHS doesn't cost $7000.00 USD. It was about $2200.00 when I bought it. The EOS 1Ds is basically an EOS 1VHS, but digital and it has an
45 AKE0404AR : Jay, Sure it rocks, but why do you need a full 35mm sensor.....this is a true handicap for avaition photography. For portrait and landscape sure a coo
46 Sleekjet : Jwenting: Your initial observation is quite interesting to me, a rookie photographer. I don't know if the lack of clarity in my pictures is more my fa
47 Post contains images Rotate : Canon D10 vs Nikon D100 i like both might be its because of the A343
48 JayDavis : Vasco, I do an entire range of photography with my cameras, not just aviation shots. I also do modeling photos, family portraits and sports stuff also
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