Clickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9444 posts, RR: 72 Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3295 times:
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to make an honest comparison we need to see the original files, I would be happy to host them on my website if you two are game.
Marco_polo From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 324 posts, RR: 20 Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3239 times:
Ckw From UK - England, joined Aug 2010, 529 posts, RR: 18 Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3231 times:
D100 looks sharper, though noisier ... could it be the difference in the in-camera sharpening? Blues are quite different - be honest now guys, which closer matches the sky that day?
AAGOLD From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 542 posts, RR: 52 Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3202 times:
Andy, Andy, Andy ... et tu Andy!
Why me? I go shooting with JP and the next thing I know they're comparing our shots of the Frontier A319 at LGA and the Canon vs. Nikon wars are on. I go shooting with you and here we go again ... the never ending Canon vs. Nikon. Now you know that no matter what happens we aren't going to change a single opinion on either side. We never have that I know of.
Yes, I'm game of course. Like Andy I did very little to my pic. A little levels (notice more detail in the top of the wing nearest the fuselage and not so bright), crop, USM and my little color secret that I shared with you. And, in all honesty, I couldn't tell you which of the two skies looked like the one that day. Haven't the foggiest. It was a blue sky and both have blue skies.
Now, about the original image. Unlike Andy's mine was shot RAW and converted to HQ Jpg and is 5.9mb. So, being in ATL on a dial up no way I'm e-mailing that to anyone tonight. I can do it over the weekend.
Will these senseless wars never end? But, if they did we probably wouldn't have any fun anyhow, would we?
Let the wars begin.
Art
P.S. Andy, in all honesty I fixed and submitted that photo because it was the one I liked best of the series. I had no idea that you had uploaded the almost identical shot. Had I known that I might have selected another. You did, however, manage to catch the damn beacon though ... you bugger!
Mirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7419 posts, RR: 65 Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3206 times:
Gentlemen, we have liftoff!
It was a pleasure watching the birth of this new war begin! :-P LOL
And Andy, send me those photos when you get a chance!
Great finally meeting you!
And thanks to you both for coming out for the Travel Channel shoot. I think we truly have a chance of all being on it.
Forum moderator 2001-2010; He's a pedantic, pontificating, pretentious bastard, a belligerent old fart, a worthless st
Clickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9444 posts, RR: 72 Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3195 times:
Bigphilnyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4073 posts, RR: 56 Reply 13, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3174 times:
To be honest, the only beef I have with Nikon is that it ALWAYS seems to require extra work adjsuting the levels nad brightness/contrast. Canon pics seem to come out with perfect light.
Clickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9444 posts, RR: 72 Reply 14, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3164 times:
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If I was on a budget I would prob. go with Canon, but I'm not, so, I don't
Jwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 21 Reply 15, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3167 times:
Neither the photos here NOR the original files tell you anything at all.
With all digicams the original file is NOT meant as a benchmark, but as a starting point for digital manipulation.
The maximum achievable end result of that manipulation is what should be compared. That result should be achieved by a master in the craft without telling him the origin of the files (though a true master would probably recognise instantly the type of camera used from past experience) and having the same master do the best he can on both originals.
That is the only way to get rid of personal skill differences and preferences of different people.
Of course that still does not get rid of the differences in the used optics.
For that both cameras should be fitted with the same lens, which means using a 3rd party lens from for example Sigma or Tokina as those are the only ones that work on both camera brands (and if we include an SD9 in the test only Sigma remains).
AFAIK such a comprehensive comparison has never been executed because noone (least the camera manufacturers and their representatives) is interested in doing it, instead only wanting to show the superiority of their own favourite by comparing its output (highly optimised) with sub-optimal output from competing cameras.
N178UA From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1626 posts, RR: 69 Reply 16, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3167 times:
I just cannot believe Andy start another post like this after people such as BigPhilNYC already attempted to throw punches to him and he also said he was one of the most hated on A.net in EWR show??
Carlos Borda From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 538 posts, RR: 52 Reply 17, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3148 times:
Two words Sam.... "Soccer Hooligan". Those guys are fearless!
~Los
Sam writes:
>>I just cannot believe Andy start another post like this after people such as BigPhilNYC already attempted to throw punches to him and he also said he was one of the most hated on A.net in EWR show??<<
Skymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3128 times:
OK, OK... I'm sorry.
I sent a postcard of my pic to Art, and I assumed he'd deliberately uploaded his pretty much identical shot, maybe just to provoke such a debate after all the gentle Canon vs Nikon ribbing that went on at Howard Beach last Sunday.
My raising the topic was therefore tongue-in-cheek - I had no real desire to start another Canon vs Nikon war because, as Art says, it'll never sway the dedicated user away from their existing equipment choice.
Bigphilnyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4073 posts, RR: 56 Reply 19, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3078 times:
Nikon sucks and I will fight to the death until Canon reigns without question!
Ok, maybe not. I just like to look at plane pictures. How bout you? :-p
Bigphilnyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4073 posts, RR: 56 Reply 21, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3041 times:
I'm torn. Tom let's me use his Canon and Art lets me use his Nikon. WHO DO I SIDE WITH!
I'll have to play on the fence until i get my 10D...I mean my D100. DAMN!
Photopilot From Cuba, joined Jul 2002, 2439 posts, RR: 20 Reply 22, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3051 times:
It doesn't matter what "they" think of "your" photo. The question really has to be "are YOU satisfied with your purchase?" "Is your customer satisfied (assuming you have one) with the quality you provide to them?" Anything else is strictly subjective and debating the point ad-nausium is strictly a waste of oxygen.
Those that matter don't mind.
Those that mind, don't matter.
Skymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 23, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3031 times:
Steve, I think you're taking this topic far too seriously. Myself and Art, along with many others including Brian, Justin, Phil, Tom, Mike, etc spent the weekend taking pics together and there was a fair bit of light-hearted banter about Canon versus Nikon. Sure its spilled over into the forum, but Art provided the perfect opportunity to keep the wind-up going. Great thing is, despite the difference of opinions, we remained good friends - heck, I even had my picture taken holding a N... n... nnnnikon!
Bigphilnyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4073 posts, RR: 56 Reply 24, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3015 times:
Yeah, this stuff is just a fun jab among friends, nothing to be taken seriously.
Phil Derner Jr.
25 AAGOLD: Yes, for sure. We are and always will be good friends regardless of the type camera we use. We just love the friendly banter and internal fight. Gives
26 Photopilot: Ok guys.... in the interest of good fun. Canon sucks Nikon Rules. Enough Said Steve
27 AKE0404AR: "Art writes: Surprised Joe. P hasn't jumped into this by now!" Guess "crooked eye inflight Joe" is busy doing some BBQ in his new backyard. Wow, now I
28 Joge: all I did was crop, colour balance, resize, and USM With all digicams the original file is NOT meant as a benchmark, but as a starting point for digit
29 AKE0404AR: Have another one for you guys....... Vasco p.s. ain't this fun?????
30 JayDavis: Okay, we can just stop this arguement and thread dead in its tracks. Canon rules, Nikon sucks! It is simple as that. All of you Nikon users are just "
31 Mirage: I use Canon but I don't give a sh*t about this "wars", Jay if you watch National Geographic, see that Nikon is very very used. Luis
32 Joge: Hahahah! Jay, I like your sense of humor! -Joge
33 Wietse: Vasco, Great shot, but I think your lens is far superior.. Great one though! Too bad the weather was too bad for me to go to AMS when you came around,
34 JayDavis: The reason why National Geographic uses Nikon's is that they are part of the Smithsonian Museum if I remember correctly. This means that it is a gover
35 Mirage: it looks one of those conspiracy theories Luis
36 Boieng747-400: Jay, Good theories Seriously speaking I must be one of the rare ones to have both Nikon and Canon photos on the database. Up to now I have had 3 Nikon
37 Timdegroot: Wasn't national geographic the magazine that accepted kodachromes with dots on them? About sums it up what quality they expect Tim
38 JayDavis: Yes, exactly !! I think that National Geographic ONLY accepts kodachromes with blue dots on them. I bet that Joe Pries guy might actually get publishe
39 Jwenting: Jay, National Geographic photographers are supposed to buy their own equipment. Most therefore buy Nikon despite Kwanon being cheaper. Same reason NG
40 JayDavis: Hey Dude, lighten up; I've just been kidding about all of this subject matter. This debate will go on and on and on until the end of time, unless Niko
41 Joge: Jay, I thought you were shooting digital...?
42 JayDavis: I wish !! I'm still shooting film. I've got a Canon EOS 1VHS and until I can afford a "real" Canon Digital camera, I'm going to have to continue shoot
43 AKE0404AR: Wietse, I had fun in AMS,even though the weather was not what I expected, but I'll be back next year in spring for another airside tour.... About the
44 JayDavis: Vasco, the EOS 1VHS doesn't cost $7000.00 USD. It was about $2200.00 when I bought it. The EOS 1Ds is basically an EOS 1VHS, but digital and it has an
45 AKE0404AR: Jay, Sure it rocks, but why do you need a full 35mm sensor.....this is a true handicap for avaition photography. For portrait and landscape sure a coo
46 Sleekjet: Jwenting: Your initial observation is quite interesting to me, a rookie photographer. I don't know if the lack of clarity in my pictures is more my fa
47 Rotate: Canon D10 vs Nikon D100 i like both might be its because of the A343
48 JayDavis: Vasco, I do an entire range of photography with my cameras, not just aviation shots. I also do modeling photos, family portraits and sports stuff also
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