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Screening Issues - Should I Feel Bad?  
User currently offlineWork4bmi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1572 times:

Dear all,

Uploaded some very hot off the press (at the time) photos yesterday at EMA of a Fokker, American Airlines aircraft. I have full access to photograph the aircraft, as I am writing an article on it, and the 5 five that will follow (exclusive!)...

Anyway, I had live tracking of the aircraft via OPS, and took plenty to avoid dissapointment. I got cockpit, cabin and external photos. All have been uploaded, a few came back but 6 or 7 passed first screening.

I have kindly emailed the screeners, who I know are busy at the weekends, but in hope I would get a quicker screen. A screener replied that, "the photos were not priority".

Anyway, some 30+ hours later and still no accepted photos. Obviously quality is the name of the game, but I feel a little robbed that after putting so much effort to get the photos first, and offer a vantage point to what others may not have access too, I should have some kind of "reward"?

I am just wondering why another photo of the aircraft was uploaded before mine, dispite it being uploaded some 4 hrs later. I know this to be true because it was my friend who took it. He too is mistified why it got on first?

Would it not be a "fair" idea to have some kind of feature, so that those that upload first get choice first? Especially on what I still believe (and alot at EMA agree too) is a "rare" photo opportunity?

Thanks,

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User currently offlineAndyhunt From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 1306 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1546 times:
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Aaron,

I wouldn't feel too bad, sometimes that is the way things turn out. What may well be topical and rare for you is not necc. so for the screeners and the site.

Regards

Andrew



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User currently offlineWork4bmi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1523 times:

point taken, but what about some kind of feature, so that those that upload first, get first look in?

User currently offlineSkymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1517 times:

Aaron,

As I told you, an American Fokker 100 with the titles painted out is simply not a "hot" item - there are plenty of airliners of this nature sitting around the US west coast storage airfields, and it being at EMA doesn't make it a priority item. If it were, every time a decommisioned airliner moved anywhere in the world (and there are hundreds of them move every year as they find new owners) we'd be fast screening such pictures all the time - we can't do it for one, and not for others.

Now I also noticed that Danny's picture got onto the database before yours. I doubt very much anyone's been singling Danny out for special attention, because he didn't e-mail the screeners to tell us about the shot. Non the less, if you've read the forum in the past, you'll know that the queue sequence is complex and there are a whole variety of reasons why Danny's pic might have made it onto the database before yours. Whatever route yours and Danny's pictures take to getting onto the database, they will all get there sooner or later if they're up to the right quality.

I hope you understand even if you don't agree with what's happened in this case... Be sure to e-mail us when you upload the picture of the Fokker in its new colours - then it will be a very appropriate subject for quick processing and unless someone else beats you to it, I'm sure you'll see those pics up real quickly.

Andy


User currently offlineEGBB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1496 times:

Andy

Remember that day last year with regard the E.T 737

I still laugh about it now  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

I rushed back down the motorway thinking I had the first picture of it out the paint shop only to find it had come out the hangar before a couple of hours previous and you had taken it and had it uploaded  Smile

Aaron

Remember that the UK is a very small place with many photographers if you want exclusive pictures I would advise you move to a remote airport say like Aberdeen  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Derek


User currently offlineSkymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1490 times:

Remember that day last year with regard the E.T 737

Yes Derek, I remember... Big grin 07:30 I was at the airport, by total luck it was outside, 07:45 I was on my way to the office in Solihull and by 09:15 I'd uploaded the pics! For what its worth, it shouldn't have been photographed until the official unveiling at LHR - the EMA engineers were told off about that. One of the senior captains at Baby saw the pic on the net that morning and said "might have known Andy would have caught it..." (he knows me well from my nine years at BM).

BTW, I'm still happy to pass on advance info when I know it - I'm not overly bothered with "firsts" myself, although its nice when it happens!

Andy


User currently offlineTZ From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2003, 1085 posts, RR: 53
Reply 6, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1480 times:
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Derek

Remember that day last week with regard to the Aurigny ATR-72?

I rushed back on the plane from Guernsey thinking I had the first pictures of the new Aurigny paint scheme on their first ATR-72. When I got home I found you had seen it a few days earlier in Jersey. At least I had some satisfaction that you missed the puffin!!!  Wink/being sarcastic

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One of our top screening crew was kind enough to add my pics to the headline news link, so I wasn't too disappointed.

It's just like you say Derek, it's a small country with a lot of photographers. Speaking of which, you also "found" Rockhopper two days before me too!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Tamsin



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User currently offlineEGBB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1423 times:

Tamsin

I was only over in Jersey to cover the air display for Aircraft Illustrated magazine so the new Aurginy and Rockhoppers were a bonus for sure but on the negative side the weather was awful for much of the time which is why I was restricted to landing/departing shots rather than the air display shots I wanted
The annoying part was the next day was clear with not a cloud in the sky as is shown from your pictures

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I am sure say over a year things balance out sometimes you are in the right place at the right time in perfect weather conditions rather than times when like last week I went down to Luton allowing an extra 30 mins travel time to capture a Volare A330 landing only to get stuck on the M1 and arrive less than 5 mins after it landed

You can do all the planning in the world for a certain picture but so often it comes down to pure luck

Derek


User currently offlineTZ From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2003, 1085 posts, RR: 53
Reply 8, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1373 times:
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Derek said:
"I am sure say over a year things balance out sometimes you are in the right place at the right time in perfect weather conditions"

Absolutely spot-on Derek. One thing is for sure is that there are good days and bad. If we've had a bad day and missed an "exclusive", then the law of averages says that it won't be long before we have a good day and catch something great on a lovely day!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Tamsin



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User currently offlineBigphilnyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4076 posts, RR: 54
Reply 9, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1331 times:

I dont think it's right for any photographer to feel he/she was "robbed" because his pics are "priority".

Completely lacking manner and etiquette. Border line rude. Yes, even coiming from ME. lol



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