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User currently offlineTappan From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1541 posts, RR: 40
Posted (15 years 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1797 times:

Why is it that many aviation businesses interested in using a photo they have seen here (at airliners.net) act surprised when told that there is a fee associated with this. Under 10% of interested parties have no problem with this. The other 90ish% usually say something like "oh, my business does not allow money for this sort of thing etc. Now, I do give away photos quite a bit. A cancer Doctor from Canada wanted one for a web sight for kids, a government agency studying birds near runways wanted a picture...etc etc..But when somebody e-mails me and says they produce training books (for pilots) for a major airline and say that at least they asked permission because they could have "stolen" the photo....Does this gentleman's company produce these training books for the heck of it (out of the kindness of their heart without money NO!) If I spend 3 hours watching the moon rise and then go back to the same spot the next night, wait for a plane to fly through the moon develop and scan that photo. And it becomes quite popular what is this worth?? Certainly not free to a company or companys that make more money in 1 month than I will all year!
Thanks for hearing me out, and if you are a company or web designer or somebody interested in using a photo, think about the above!
Take Care, Mark G

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User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (15 years 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1562 times:

Agreed! 4 out of 5 times I will bring up pricing and get a reply stating they are no longer interested or no reply at all.

User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 4121 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (15 years 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1547 times:

I too have experinced this, very annoying. I feel it is only fair for a publisher/company to pay fee for my artwork. After all they will be making money off said art work, why should I be denied. Creating (good) pictures is a skill like any other, and I should reap something for my hard work.

Nuff said.


"Show me the Braniffs"
User currently offlineTappan From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1541 posts, RR: 40
Reply 3, posted (15 years 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1527 times:

Today I got another "didn't think it would cost me" followed by a decent sale....
Thanks for you feedback.
Mark G

User currently offlineBrick From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1608 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (15 years 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1519 times:

I have the same problem too.

I attribute to a general trend of people being even more of a cheapskate than a few years ago. People want something for nothing.

Work at a restaurant as a server, at Wal-Mart as a customer service rep, or as a mechanic at an auto repair shop.....you'll see and will definately agree with me!

People are just cheapskates!!

Mark Abbott
Minneapolis, MN

A noble spirit embiggens the smallest man...
User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 4121 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (15 years 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1516 times:

I also attribute part of the reason for this additude so many publications/corprations, is the assumption that most here are amateurs, and that we would be grateful to have our work publised. For myself I make my living in photography, I do not post my work here for sale, I let 2 stock agencies handle that for me, I post here to share my work with those who share my interest and passion. If I do make a sale, thats great. Bottom line.. regardless whether the shooter is an amateur, or pro, those publications should not assume that we will just give our work away.

'Nuff said'


"Show me the Braniffs"
User currently offlineTappan From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1541 posts, RR: 40
Reply 6, posted (15 years 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1501 times:

Maybe we are collectively at fault.If a member of airliners.net calls you and says wow nice photo may I yse it for my wall in my room etc then deal with that ...If an ad exec from lets say an airplane maker in Seattle calls then we (as a group of photogs selling our damn work) have got to get tough and don't turn to jello if somebody satys we will give you a photo credit (shwing...show me the money!) Don't settle for less. The pix on this site kick some rump. SHOW some PRIDE>

User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 4121 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (15 years 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1483 times:

Tell it like is !....Brother Tappan...Halleauh!!


"Show me the Braniffs"
User currently offlineTappan From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1541 posts, RR: 40
Reply 8, posted (14 years 12 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1452 times:

Got a call from a big airline....wanted to buy a photo I made for $25.00....says that he thought that was fair and other photographers have agreed with that....I told him I hoped his company was not as cheap when they purchased engines or T-CAS equipment...

User currently offlinePedro757 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (14 years 12 months 18 hours ago) and read 1438 times:

HAHA :-)

User currently offlineBruce From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5068 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (14 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1404 times:

Well, I had that happen too. A couple times, once with a company that made airliner interior materials wanted a photo of a UAL airbus interior that I did, and another interesting one was one of the companies that actually did the paint work on one of Southwest's theme planes - it had just come out of paint a week before I photographed it (pure luck).

But I never followed through with it because I don't really know how much a photo like this is worth. I had no idea how to assign a value to my photos.

Bruce Leibowitz - Jackson, MS (KJAN) - Canon 50D/100-400L IS lens
User currently offlineShamrock77 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (14 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1353 times:

To let photos be used on a private, non commercial website is fine ( if it wasn't for the knid contributors here, th photo gallery section of my website would not exist!!)

But when people approach you to use your photos for them to make a profit, and not pay you is ridiculous!


User currently offlineTomH From United States of America, joined May 1999, 960 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (14 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1338 times:

I have experienced much the same as you, and I'm not surprised in the slightest. At first there is interest in your photo, but when the subject of a fee is brought up they beg off. Nevertheless, they have come to you because you have something they want, and they will probably steal it if you don't give it to them for free.

I suspect that soon I will be engaging a lawyer to pursue those who pirate my images, at least in the print media. After all, a website can remove your image and apologize, a book publisher can't do a thing once the product leaves the presses, so they are more vulnerable to your legal efforts.

Many inquiries come from people who claim to be working for a corporation on a project. If this is true, then there is a budget for this project. No projects are done for free in the corporate world, and none are run from the petty cash drawer. Even non-profit organizations have budgets, and payrolls as well. Don't give them your work for free.

Do the research, develop a professional looking price schedule you feel is fair,(fair to YOU!), and send it to them with your reply, after thanking them nicely for their interest. Do not hesitate to charge for an image no matter if you deliver it on a floppy or CD in the mail,or if you send it my email. Charge them for shipment.

I care when someone steals my work. How do I know when this happens? Simply by going to a search engine and typing in my name reveals some of the thievery. Every 60 days or so I find unauthorized use of my photos on websites in this manner. Approach these theives with your price schedule, thank them for their interest in your work, and highlight the fee that applies to them. You won't get paid, but your photos are likely to dissappear from their website in a day or two.

You aren't likely to get the cost of film covered by sales such as this, so you'll need a day job. But hey, good shooting to you.

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